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. _ _ _ "T."P".'T"', . on were . I ' . ' '%' _ ' - sed the Waterways Come'". ht . Province. ----..L.-, 'ua?. (an, the right to t,',vtoiU'd',vrekr; h' taking account j.s,lj'gec,er'iti,1lwre'f., 15%;: .. .a. ' tooonsruc worsen . . . . ' or . rW%A Municipalities Must Pay. ( tei,') 'it"dtr','itid'r power at the price $81ch 13:33? ilnz5that agreement. that r Ag previously stated, the cost ot anv mentioned in the report. This jusiifiefl had been kept out of sightfhy which the é works undertaken by the. commission the statement in the report that a_block price of half of the power developed was l (r under the provision of the act shall be of 37,000 horsepower could he delivered to be regulated by the Government. The , I borne by the municipalities, Mr. Beck iin Toronto at $16 or $17 per horsepower. regulation of that half would Set the Ill I ' read from the bill the clauses providing IThe Government, under this bill were not pace for the other alt. and practically '.ti', r . for this. In effect they enact that, in (interfering with vested rights, for if the set the priet for all the power sold at T addition to the priee 'per horsepower power companies were no ling to sell 12 Itlie Falls. This was the best, that could I . payable by any municipal Corporation Americans at, t4t or $10 JY." $11 or 812 be done at the time when the question . ' i entering into a contract. with the com- they would surely be willing to do so was in its infancy. '5 ' mission (such price to include an allow- to Canadians. Under. the bill the "ll," I Premier Whitney expressed his sur- l," I since for generating, tranrrtorming and ry'eiptlitity would rttt'P1Vp power M ft", ilirise that tho leader of the Opposition ll transmission losses). gym-y "m, Premier had thought. not only l :ii' lgave the opportunities to the Govern- . 'll Corporation shall par its ropor- weeks. but ". few years ago..'."" , f " meat. which he did. Every busmess man l 1tion of the f I,.. P . . cost as possible. lhc Guniei.rralitiCi d .ed the refusal to ratifv the last ( 1 ollouing cliaiges. . . .. . 'Et ' ti fi urns sci, on ors . . . ' . I ,.lnterest at 4 per cent. on the money's wouy.rec'eive WW" at, " g (agreement. By r"rupinsr.tp ratify it the Iex'pended by the commission on capital Fjj, "l "W", No. l l . d that cost i,fl.ytrntm'nf kept tho right to regulate 1 [account an annual sum .nultieient to I Premier Whitney ex.pm1ru' ' e :nll the power sold at the Falls. [hat . , 1 It'orni in thirty years a sinking fund lor "W'HM Post. to the oommissir.tn: He would Iwns the difference between the hurt and . . l the retirement of tho securities issued or y.', disappointed if tho Prov""."'. of 1d.1P itlw statement. The hon. gentleman had I the Province for tho cost. of tho word. bill could 'tot. be "Hind out .W'thmlt In- Wald that t.ly' li.? "If" founded on his '.ttte cost of operating. maintaining. If, terfcrcnce with any vested rights what- ly, srold-lyrick hill. fyrott it who. was . i I :pairing. renewing and insuring.r the (Her. inni, that. a Ltfmdthhm ':, :And l " CII' , iworks. plant. machinery and appliances. Applied to Whole Province. "find in" this 0 pre'"'" no l go! I I ' In speaking: to these clauses Mr. Heck _.' Em"? Tho (uncrnmerit took 19owor o Iclam that while the . ' . _ Hom Mr. Beek repeated that tho in" develop and oxpropriat". Was there II . f price per hmsepower ' e li l t Ni ' al l t to the l . . . . the hon entleman's hill - :would be a fiat one at the pmnt of row app let "OHM - iagdra aone, m an} Wm" in . . . g . l leration. tho cost of transmission would. whole Province. . . " lM. do (lvat' . .The hill was simpy tl . of course. he regulated or tho riisttr.l Mr. Preston lBrant) alk.ed. m viewot (printed deception. I A m1m.i1'.ipCly at a V-mc,' distance trom the fact that., tyr.trT1hsy,111iy, any iii-91.9% IHad Lost No Asset.. _ .l the point of development would natural. ment, the Dominion Go, criniient (on. _ . , I ly hare to pay a higher prior to have. control or absolutely prohibit, export. ifi, lion. Mr. Beck denied th.at the Pro- " power delivered to it than one near there. had been any agreement lwtwccn Irinoe had iost any asset in cancelling. i, the development point., 'lhe calm," in- the Government, and the Dominion. the last power agreement. .There were: . I , tu'=tttwnt and the MIMI-03 of rlcliicriug Premier Whitney said the Dominion Itlirec Dominion fianchiscs in fixiitencei r , tstruhl plainly Irr, grr'attt _ Government had iiitrodured a bill to $"lth tho right to develop unlimited Pot" i , 'Il'llt' mono}; Niven-ml " the "Hun"... license the companies, and he had as- it": Theao would he north several mil-I ' WW" from tiiumcipahtios,' ritlluats and summers front tho Chairman of the "in" dollars if.tyos had to P. '"."1'IT i I , other companies will he paid o', er to Wttttwways (ommrcwsion--aml he might perked tor depriiinz them of "et,' 'Ilsz'l i, Ill the Proiiiiciiil 'lrcasurr-r in rmm-mpm ot say verbally from three Ministers-and Tho (.orernment m tho new bill weir: ill tho securities given tor loans raised he did not anticipate any friction or regulating the full development not onl) l Bl under the aet. troulilc. " of Niagara but of Kakaheka and PW". . q Commission i Mr. Preston (Brant) thought, it would other WNW" Itt the Province. ', I I T Linc, of "If is: teye,,,",',',: the bill is Ihelp if the Dominion controlled the ex- h 3111;.l(trillll'dlliit":liZI'ilrffift'flt-nt'ilz11:12::'il:;n ' Iii in the "Wilts of its introi'liicci' "a t? port. "m Il""" an. " Ill." hi l f iend Ill il'f'gulating clause. It oicltc, it)": Premier Whitney thought from their .flh" bill "a" PM " vat . W ion." r lv a lntissi, w ' . l' F . friendly attitude th t the Dominion , ioni London intended. and he "ason y 'Il I slid" to iigiilaic all iatcs of light. G . . . l a Irloing his best to defend an imposition: I i3}??? yy and this 1uopuniess." Iti "o,T,.ry1:titc'u,l:li, . . . -, . _ 'ir'io far as the Opposition was concerned _ I Io tints pmui to regulate rates chargl A 1.r. Martha} asked if " was the m it was merely something in the air. The l , 1elud,')'. J,h; md/III),':."."::,' ..rr'h,it; tt,'f.'1e,",,:,'f,,.it,t', tcgy1e,eot,.tu"":"e,s/' ';,sutonnd re.poit of tho Hsdro-eleUrie Pow- w 2 SW}, (a, I. Ci., rlc"m ' 7 u, applies _l'OI . N. p '. " .1 "F . _ . 'er Commission, he had been assured .hy II , iiipaniis ai; those named, whiehleipttl1ios, and "as answered iii the ,.everal competent authorities. was girtt- iare now III yxr.'rst'sno'.r' On complaints i negative. Hon. Mr. Beck said that the I," hash. He wished to ,Mk if the limit- ' kiwi." '/1t 2:31}; on,."",,',"' l', up): 'irj),iij,ie;'jj,.1,t,tit',1, Yt/y,, ITEM"? the rates ation: in the municipal act with regard lt l'lhl" appoint a ItiiiicI-and n; r ftierelo charged by municipalities to consumers. to taxtion would ho overridden by any I 'ly.ir..i1s:'r, of mm C',',',',",,)..',,'.',',',,,." act" or 1140 lion. hip, Ross said from the cxplan- p.rov.i.si.ons in the. hill allowing the inuni- qu missioi. mu" id,, tl t (v1o, IP com- ations given die did not. find anything' cipalities to go into debt. beyond the l/ll l . " ' . ' , j"'. (Hane. and new in the bill, If the municipalities limit set. He also desired to know what / l lmake an ordei dismissing or allowing 1 l 1 'Id h . . e. . _- . 1 l h I; the comphtints and directing what rates on it up t on hands in holy horror -the 1j1Tt1,'y11.'.?It, considered wou d m _t. e il'. shall be tthorgtul. The penalty for dig_Ibc-f0re. the (rovei'nnient would find .to- 'i'easonalile wi.ofir which had been spoken : ' .nlicdience of the orders of the cominis- morrow morning that they P"? holding 'Of m connection 1vith. tho I..'?', to hp i I i (sion is $10" for "on. dav during which ithem. up again. In the act ot 1903 to Imam". and whpthor. lt. wan proposod to ', I; lsucli disobedience sliall continue. ppronde for the construction of muni- appoini.a ".ty.Tmm""yf"" . 2. Whenever m required by the Gov. cipal power works and the transmission.' ' .- Premier ll hitney. said a new f'.'l,'l"N"i I. .cl'nmcnt the commission shall inquire distribution. and supply of eiertrieaienui i iilon would be appointed. It in?" him ll Into. examine and investigate water other powers he found by section 1 that! Ii that the I""'"'"'."""' wyul.d yy/ to the l I powers or water privileges in the Pror-. it shallhe lawful for any municipal Cor-l "MK"; f'f"yH,i,t1.r5yl,1y'i11s-' power here I. nice and report on the value and ca-l poration or for any two or more muni- land t ere ml their rat4tic. i; parity tl"rTof:, with such other infor-l cipal Corporations jointly, on such terms Provided For in Old Bill. I ll iiiatioii as the Government may require. Iand conditions as may be mutually I Hon. Mr. Rosa. remarking "W" the '4lli Power at Reasonable Rate. I agreed upon. a,nd under and subject to Idclightfiilly irregular way in which the ti lion. Mr. Ross did not fullv grasp: IESUtlenps anddcopditigps Iilerei'nafter set bill Wai, introduced. .rcad .sectioy 14 of lII Ithc extent of the bill, which he thought . in yv an . (1,311": m agency of ih.e .act of 190.'l. whitrh. "H" the pon',- ll: irather comprehensive and sufe"i,1','irf,?efei1','fn,e,r1'1.',' ieir successors to be 'mlFSlOll mer to acquire any power III complicated. it was not. he said what Nypoln.ted, 1o.steur" the acquisition. con- [ works already constructed or in prlH'PNi l llic expected. It seemed to be 3; bill struction, maintenance, and operation of i"! construction. and all property. rights I to raise money on the strength of a all necessary works, plant, machinery, Iand franchises connected therewith. and . commission. which would have-no power and appliances for the development, germ lto extend. improve and enlarge the same I ' ':to proceed except on the motion of the} elation. transmission, transformation. ,as m.ay be rt'quirod for their purpose. to ) municipalities. i distribution. and supply of electrical andl 'acquire lands and waterpowers, and io l I Hon. Mr. Beek, in reply to Hon. .\lr.l other power and energy. including heatI iai'fPllr'P, consiruef. maintain and operate 'i, lloseupointcd out that the bill Provided! and light, for their own corporatcuse as; IWMk'" for. the development. production, I machinery by which municipalities joint-i well as for general public. "993 and purl 1,icy1,,T,1,i,',"it,",n' mt--raysr_ot.mytiiort, vale and i ly or individually might make sigree-l poses, and for the use of such persons}. 'p,1,i'tt1ly,t,io? of 1?t,rtrir.ity and POW?" _ yiiicnts tor the development of power in' tirms, and corporations as may desire He could see notty'yE m the new bill I Itheir district in any part of the Prov..! the same. I Ithat was not provided for here. l "inee. in the Trent district, for ex- II i, l Premier \Vhitney. replied that the late _ luiiiplc. a contract, might he made for IWhat More Was There ? I 'f,"c"ttJ,",',1'r/. hatI Ericd I' putktlie burden Ii lull the power rm hired, with the . b .. l . -. . ..1 on e municipal; ies. e as 'ed who a _ E Inf taking more in the same 'lf)."'),",: l, Liliana" you got more than that l'", pointed the commission under the ol'd I the Severn Itirer it company might, get 'Perim: Whit . . d 1 act. . I rights from the Province to develop [,,,,l,',r/iti:i,,t,-o. ml ncy repeate that thel . Hon. Mr. Ross replied that the muni- l 7 . _.. ' . ,c. ' H , lsalOllms under tho. iiPw act . . li f -. id power. with thr ttshutt'ttn06 ot a market (Government, eommi sd . were! cipa itits dit . I at a tixed price and a sure return on I I Ho Mr ii .._ 'tlo,,'??,?,:,. . I Premier Whitney-There-hs the whole the investment. At present any person ibill "lira -,'d,Lt',,t.i,s' ','i1.11,)1i1t"i1o1,',1gi, said the crux of the bill. The Government ap- l in. l-lilllpauy might get power under the. ,,iri1'li'o'ii'niiiiii','i', yt;,'.:,. er itionof the old. I points this commission. , Niagara agreements at the United I") much had L)) t1isidTte'tit/iy,it,t'i .Hon. Mr. Ross-f can't, conceive any l yt-tttps price, where power is being sold 'iict of 1903 Hi1 {a}: ,'was aid in the difference between a commission appoint- ll at 512. He had reason to believe that lelectric i'o'we- p, oyg.ht the Hydr.or' od by the municipalities or liv the Gov- I the companies were willing to sell at 811 '; io'wer iould ii Disguismon had naid emnient. . p ii anyone was willing to take it. He 1&4 95 c e pr uced at , profit at' After some further desultorv dis ' - il ' ' 'T i ..o, and now $12 was - . . "a" I would go further, so as to show the Irate This w . . . 'c gnen as the; Mon the bill was read a first time. it is , reliability of the hydro-electric report, lGreat cred't a} a \eiy large increase. expected to come up for second readine ' he said, for within the past {Ourteenlthe avreemle pa: /"t,e, for cancelling: on Wednesday. _ hours a lawyer representing a party of lhorsecow . 'll m 1...).000 'additional Some routine liusiress was transact 1 il " . :_, f ood standi had ff r p .er. ethought, the Government and the House adio - , ea. capitalists o g N . 0 e 0d, lwrre taking credit t , . J urned before o oclock , . . if the Government were willing to give _FV _ oo soon. , t:h.t,vyo- Terrei"ty1eter---- . i, l