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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 11 Apr 1908, p. 1

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©SATURDAY, 'APRIL--11, '--15"",51,29 »( ,TUEUNTU DIVISION l;:f.':' IS NOT POPULAR, | ® The bill of the city of Toronto went into committee. Mr. McNaught, who fathered the bill, denied that the city bof Toronto had put up a lobby for the bill. He did not think the vote of the _committee represented the opinion of the House. Mr. McNaught briefly re-- viewed the history of the company. In the original agreement between -- the city and the company he thought the city's right to protect its own streets was clearly set out. He pointed out that the act passed by the Legislature was not exactly the same as the agree-- ment. Mr. McNaught also said that when E. J. Fleming was Mayor Mr. 5. E. Blake, K.C., was consulted re-- garding the street railway and the clty's rights. It was peculiar, he adda-- ed, that both these gentlemen appeared against the bill in committee a few days ago. During three times the case had come up in court, he said, nine Judges had heard the evidence, and eight Judges were favorable to the city. The Privy Council had based their decision, he thought,: on the Legislature's act, which inadvertently had been made dif-- ferent from what was provided in the agreement. In placing Toronto in the sition it formerly had, Mr. McNaught gnot think the. Legislatnre Woulnl LCC T CCRER . WERWReE : CGLLICUL The House adjourned at '1.05 this morning, Premier Whitney announcing that he hoped to get through with the business by 6 o'clock this evening. No. City Lobby. D ET EDT CCCR -- CHmUmICHLG 1C" mained absolutely unanswoered by the Premier. _ The Opposition carried out their expressed intention, and fought the Whitney gerrymander to the last ditch. In regard to every case of mutilation they placed themselves on record and were voted down _ by streigth of numbers, and finally the bill was given its third reading. An-- other feature of yesterday's -- session was the attitude adopted by the Legis-- lature with regard to the Toronto bill. From both sides of the House, particu-- larly by the leader of the Opposition, tne principle was affirmed that the eity should control its own streets, and an amendment to this effect cearrioed By the smallest majority which has been registered on behalf of the Gov-- ernment during the last four years the proposals to duplicate the representa-- tion for Toronto was carried in the Legislature yvesterday. The amend-- ment introduced by 'Mr: 'C. H. Pres-- toa, the member for Brant, to the ef-- fecet that Toronto should only return six members, was voted down by 48 to 19 '(he smallness of the Govern-- ment's majority has a particular sig-- nificance. This proves conclusively that in their proposals the Government have not the unanimous support of their rural followers, and that many of them preferred to dodge the division rathker than support the Government's proposals. Mr. Preston in submit-- ting his amendment made out a very str?ng'_ case, and his arguments re. Members Support the Toronto Bil] and an Anmendment Passes the House----Liberal Leader's Stand---- Opposition Fights Gerrymandear to Last Ditch. UNIQUE VOTE IN HoUsE. Government's Majority Smail on Redistribution. ----Many Amendments to Redistri-- bution Measure Are Presented and All Are Lost on Division Uiu control its own streets, and endment to this effect carried. House adjourned at 1.050 this Legislature would __by the said ¢ the representa-- s carried in the y. The amend-- NMr: 'I. H. Pres. Stand---- Redistri-- M o e e enyl 40 GIIL Ese 10 six people, Five out of six of these were good tmen, and five out of six weore asking for something they should not goet. He proposed, he said, to do some-- thing to have the proceedings of the Legislature conducted more regularly. As They Woere. €inally Mr. concurrence of «10w outsiders to do what they pleasei with the city streets. Mr. Whitney fur-- ther said that too many attempts had heen made during the last few weeks, without any suggestion of impropriety, to influence legislatior.. All sorts of legislation was being asked for and four--fifths of it was wrong. During the last ten Cays between the door of his office and the A ssembly door he had been « buttonkoled by -- from three to wihne © sn in mirn ¥ie wos 0 . L 'so an,indilvidual I shai have a Preat deal of pleasure in voting for this amendment," began Premier Whit-- ney when the Legislature resumed in the atternoon, "and I de-- sire that every. -- member of this House yvote as his own inner conscience | suggests,." Proceeding, he said that not many days ago the city had come to the Governmment for the first time with reference to the bift. The Premier also had a few wor's of praise for the work of Mr. McXaught in connection with the bill. Continu-- ing, lhhe said it would be intolerable to allow outsiders to do what they pleased with the city streets. Mr. Whitney fur-- ther said Ihat too inany |iattanmta . magj Support of P Mr. McNaught's Amendments. PT e e ooo s Pm halnd -- Auc ullla "lobby" he thought rather a reflectio on the Legislature. "One can hardly understand how th city of Toronto deliberately and in tertionally gave up control of it streets in this way. I think the amend ment is about right," said Mr. Mac Kav. He submitted the following :-- "Notwithstanding anything contained in the act passed in the 55th year of the reign of her late Majesty Queen Vic-- ; toria, and chaptered 99, and intituled ; 'An act to incorporate the Toronto | Railway Company and to confirm the / agreement between the corporation of / the city of Toronto and George W. Kiely, William . Mackenzie, Henry A. Everett and Chauncy C. Woodworth'; and notwithstanding any judicial de-- cision interpreting the effect of the said act in conjunction with the said agree-- ment, it is hereby declared that it is and always has been the true intent and meaning of the sald ac at. t rights retained by and :.-,y(.,'f,?céhté ;{:: corporation of the city of PToronto by the said agreement to control and man-- age the streets of the said city, and to establish and lay down new lines of vailway and to extend the street car e VIvE upon the streets of the. sgid city, have not been and are not affect-- ed _l":" the said act, hut said rights re-- main and are as set out in the said agreement scheduled to the said act." _"'1!1. Mr. Foy said the rights of the city had never been considered until ""'l'y 1:'110'-1.\'. All that was required was Y¥ * oiagea oi 2( ho » and are as get out in the said agrec. be casting--amy Reffection upon the de-- _ mont scheduled to the said aut" cision of the Privy Council. Amendment Carried. UC C ifinthduinaiiienhiids.. d .. c 3 C 3 ed by the said act, hbut saftd ri main and are as set out in agreement scheduled to the sail Hon. Mr. Foy said the right: city had never been consider very lately., All that was requi that the "agreement should agreement, and continue io agreement," and that the act take away any of the rights were precedents for any gctior Legislature, he claimed, The Opposition Leader speaks Hon. Mr. MacKay said that MeNaught meant by s lobby person repre: #.ting the city s th« members of tha Legislatu was mistaken. Mr. -- MacKa: that when lta Wakila.) Whanean 8t Lhne -- Cagreeiment ment, and contin ment," and that t away any of tho precedents for anm FERTC EC WE VU l act, but said rights remain '~ g\ remicr. ~r~@4 VJY, ic CItY.UCOun-- [ n and are not affected wiucs n & . -- idlatlte The Toronto Rail-- nd to confirm the agroe-- the Corporation of the _ and George . Kicly, azic, Henry A. Everett s \\'oo'lwortt;,' and not-- iv judicial decision in-- ns io w ise 1 should be --thse ut -- 16, be 'the ho act did not rights.> There asction of the | ~Hon. Mr. MacKay also asked. the | i same question. . Who wanted to give | one man two votes ? l Mr. Whitney--It only gives.one man | one vote. ; C sds :s3 c1al committee.. He claimed -- there was no argument to be drawn froim a comparison with Montreal. "It is not the desire of this side of the House to provide for minority re-- presentation. -- It is majority represen-- lation we are to have and it is ma-- jJority representation we believe in. We believe in the good old common-- sense principle that the majority should rule, except for the Presby-- terian and Methodist Churches, and the licensing system-- Of -- this Prov-- ince.," Mr. Studholme urged_ the Govern-- ment to withdraw its fad bill. It 'was like P. T. Barnum's "What is it"" tor nobody could give it a name." He } wanted to know who was sponsor for the bill. In a brief reply Mr. Whi'tii{c*yrmr'e- prated that no suggestion had come fm_m the Liberal members of the spc-- ment of 100,000 Liberails. -- The pecu-- liar division in Toronto seemed to bear the stamp of the members for the city. The working out of the two--member plan, claimed Mr. Preston, was hit-- ting the Labor man "under the beit." lature, whercas that city only sent six members. _ Montreal, he pointed cut, was not a capital city cither. The redistribution bill meant practi~ cally, he contended, the disfranchise-- 1 CC TTD ENRUUOWT W C 196900 § Ing Toronto six constituencies and six ;pmembers. -- In supporting this he con-- | ternded that when the special commit-- | tee first met there was n0o intimation .'"'f what was coming. There -- wetre :t\\'enty--two electoral divisions affect-- j ¢6d, and Governments had been created io fewer constituencies than that. He | thought the Government bhad missed ; an opportunity in connection with the matter of setting a precedent in On-- tario for all time to come. Ar. Pros-- tomu quoted from authorities to show that rural constituencies should have meore proportionate represeatation than urbhan constituencies. Applying these, he said all cities should have smaller representation. but this an-- plied especially to capital cities. . H» contended there were many thous-- ands of foreigners in Toronto -- who could not rightly be considered e4-- titled to vote. In Toronto thore was the civilt service, a studenrt body act-- ing as emissaries of the city through-- out the Province, as well as a inotro-- politan press. Thousands Disfranchised. On the basis of the 19091 census To-- ronto was to be given even a larger representation than other cities. In the same proportion as was now pro-- posed Montreal would be sending tweive members to the Quebec Legis-- The amendment of M ried without a division A Change in Lanark. When the redistribut up for a third reading had it senut back to com to have a parsgranh ad Toronto Constituencies [Before the bill was read a third tim Mr. Bowman (North Bruce) moved a amendment in the shape of a minor ity report, and this was lost on divi sion. Then Mr. Preston (South Brant moved his amendment in favor of giv Mr. Lucas, who was Chairman _ of the Private HBills Committee, claimed that the amendment gave +. city nothing more than was offered and rée-- ected in the Private Bills Commit. tee Mr. Clarke (Northumb>et he could ncot see how he consistent and vote for t ment. Mr, Lennoxt{North York») sai pogsition he took in the Priz-azgldgmf Committee would be the same as po would take in the House. He (:léilll(: e1 some newspapers of the c-ity had been unfair with and dishonest to-- wards the meimbers of the ['}i\'at'w Bills Committee, * 1vl iscc oW fhc couid and vote for the ame th NXorthumberland» T. Gamey car said be 'nd--

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