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Mr. Hanna: "It is not one ocea- sion, but two and three and more occasions. I do not apologize in the House or out of the House for an- swering the remarks of a judge from the bench affecting my department. I do not hesitate or apologize for an- swering these remarks on the floor of the House. because these remarks were made by him in a capacity where I have no opportunity of an- swering him, and if he has no oppor- tunity here to-day, the account is square." "The amazing part of it is he is not a little timid about making at- tacks upon the Judges," said Mr James, adding a word or two to the fray. "The leader of the Opposition had instructed his follower to bring up a matter which was intended to bring about an attack on the Provin- "It might be true that the grand Jury reported on incorrect facts," he went on, "but it was no occasion for an attack on adudge 'on the bench." 'Surely," he said, "one would recog- nize a decision rendered under such circumstances. and to bring in the name of a judge in. that way and base an attack on the finding of a grand jury is entirely unwarranted in this House." Repeated Occasions. Ironical cries of, "hear, hear," from the Conservative members. WHAT BEEBMES tlf (illMll JURY'S WIJRK? Mr. Hanna, who replied for the Government, said the reports of grand Juries were often outside of the facts, and information was laid before them that was far from correct. In a re- cent case at Whitby where two men were 1incarpereted in the jail when they should have been wards of the Province in an insane hospital, Mr. Justice Latchford grew indignant when the grand Jury reported that such a condition of affairs existed. It rwas not the first time that a court showed indignation on the report of a grand jury that was founded on incorrect information. At the time no petition whatever had reached his de- partment and the officers had no knowledge that the two persons in question were detained in Whitby jail. Apart from that he was satisfied that the reports should be brought down. Evidently the member for South Ontario had disturbed the Provincial Secretary, remarked Mr. Rowell. "I am surprised that my hon. friend should bring in the judges of the land in a. matter like this--." 1Mr. w. E. N. Sinclair (South 0n- tario), in the Legislature yesterday drew the ire of the Provincial Sec- retary on a motion for n return show- ing all presentments made by grand Juries within the Province for 1912. The object in asking for the infor- mation, he said. was to know what became of the presentments. These Jurors were drawn from the best citi- zens of the community, and the main- tenance of the system was costly to the Province. He would like to know whether the Province got value for its expenditure. Information Is Wrong. Bill to Provide for Reciprocity in Auto, mobile "(muses Receives Socoml Reading-Return Asked Regarding Advisory Council Meetings. Pertinent Inquiry Made in the Legislature AR'OUSES HON. MR. HANNA 'HI'RHDA y; MW" fl y luuwcu. "The whole situation was made the subject of comment from one end of the Province to the other. T went into the press and gave a statement. and from that time there has not been one word of retraction from the Judge," explained Mr. Hanna, with some show of teating. Mr. Sinclair stated that the Whitby incident was never in his mind when asking for the return. d "r wanted to see the presentments," said Mr. Rowe", "and find out if the Government was as slow in acting up- on them as they are in other things." Atttonttyhile R,eeiprocits. Mr. Ellis' hill to provide for rect- nrocity in automobile licenses he. tween the Provinces of Canada 0x- londing a similar privilege to cm- lnrlo was given a, second reading. Mr. J. S. Elliott (West Middlesex) suggested that there be some provi- sion for the registration of licenses granted hy other Provinces. so that in case of accident the offending ma- chine could he Mtsntitied. To Mr. Rowoll tho Provincial Sec- rotary said many requests had been received for this legislation. The difference in money so far as Quebec was concerned was not great, but if the privilege was extended to the State of New York it would amount to about $8,000 in revenue and $7.000 in the case of Michigan. He would not. favor recipcn-r'ity with the States. it would mean that large touring cars would go through the Provinee from Buffalo to Detroit. and the, wear on the roads would be disastrous. An Anomalous. Body. in asking for a return giving the meetings of the Advisory ("ouneII of Education. Mr. T. Marshall (Monek) said this body was organized four or five years ago. but that it had not fulfilled the expectation of those who promoted it. It was anomalous in pvers' respect. A portion of the mem- bers were elective, but as the delibora- lions of the council were confidential a member, could not go back to his constituents and report that the. pro- gram on which he had been elected had been carried out or even dis- cussed. The' members were allowed no initiative, and could only deal with matters brought forward by the de- partment. It was an awkward nosi- tion for such men as Dr. Falconer, Prof. Huttodtand Dr. McKay to he put in. The Superintendent of Education was the Chairman of the Council. "The business of the Chairman is not to ask advice, hut to give it." he con- cluded. Dr. Pyne thought there was per- sonal animus between Mr. Marshall and Dr. Seath. Perhaps the Superin.. tendent of Education had properlv sat upon the member for Monvk on some nocasion. The ohjevt of the appoint- meat of the Council was to bring matters of education before the pub- lie of the Province. A number of motions for returns were allowed to stand over on the request of the Government. Mr. El- liott was prepared to discuss the pro- 1913.