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' n e s * i en 0 e ie s imiimne Ets ' "of the company is that no liquor shall ' 9 HANNA ADMITS LAW c reg me opprany ie hat no uie mnanl f With regard to the sale on dining-- 334 cars, the Provincial Secretary sard he! IS BEINfi VIflLATEn had no quarrel with Mr. Elliott's P staternent. _ "The practice was recog-- & nized. It was without sanction of the ; a We terermiiie en zumm pvege law, and our proposition was to put] s ] a license upon them." Serious ob-- | % s * iections were urged at the time and Knows Liquor is Being Sold on Hothing was done. _ Since then | a « change had come about, and, so far Boats and Tra|ns as the Grand Trunk was concerned, the sale had been entirely done away with except at meal times. "*It . 1€ the minimum of the evil, if minimum | e there be, in connection with the whole traffic,"' explained Mr. Hanna, He I CHALLENGE FROM LIBERALS did not say it by way of excuse, bulI he thought it was better to have the! i traflic in that condition than legalized| smusuasaancmstmss | by a license. E Provincial Secretary Also Admits Ex-- | Blind Pigs While There is Liquor | icrer; Melks $1. & Mn io | Dealing with Northern Ontario, Mr.| + istence of "Blind Pigs," and ha,\s' HManna said the Government had en--| ¢ Only Wiping Out of Liquor Business | deavored to carry out its promises.| A A K | \ There was no dificulty in getting re--| * Can Drive Them Out. I !p"_l_t':', on "ll\lin«,i pigs ." ,Pi(, deim't-i k ' i"""" was full of theimn, but very fowl sn c sene o armusteme rmemc n n sn | | reports contained enough *"\'i('("n'.'('i ! !n[»nn which to base a prosecution . | Admitting that intoxicating liquor | In not a solitary instance h-a,d y ""f""i was being sold on steamboats | per complaint hw-n. Ifift'nnnu\wshg%- i1€ n steamboats and | | ed . "There are blind pigs, and there| buffet cars flravelling through the ' will be blind pigs so long as HHquor! 1 Province in violation of the law, Hon. ! is manufactured, and they exist (lewi » W. J. Harna called upon the House | spite the very best efforts the $'°"'?"".Ti to vote down an amendment to the | ment can put forward to prevent it. ul e lelr ' i OJt was surprising, declared Mr. » motion to go into Committee of Sup-- | Proudfoot, to see the Provinc.al S'.'f'-' ply last night. 21-.4;11'\'. after -- hurling through xhel The motion, which was moved by | Province th.:i' H']p -la"',, *.'\'4',1)71).1.1:' l):'::;z:l Mr. J. C. Elliott (Woest MidAlesex) g)n,.r,-,'.d, admit that it was being op I ly violated. J and seconded by Mr. W. Proudfoot T Moumotemececcrsenemmmmmemezmneemamrteencines ' (Centre Huron), read in the follow-- DID NOT KNOW BILL '"'This House is of the opinion that T the violation of the license laws by I | the open sale of liquor upon steam-- WHEN 11 CA . boats and railroads within the Pro: z vince, and the policy of the license department of imposing one fine year-- Spnls manaeyty ' ly on the steamboats, apparently as | a license fce, is bringing the admin-- Mr. McKeown Anxious to Learn What Happened to ' istration of the license laws into dis o o I repute throughout the Province. surance Measure When Spec;al Commzttee '"'This House is furthor of the opin ' ion that the administration of the li-- GOt Hold Of It quor -- license laws in Northern On-- [© 'The bil introduced by Mr. M. C ' tario and the relation of the Provin-- | £u l ECE L,"( s cce inanad cial police thereto should be thor-- McKeown (Dufferin) to make insur-- oughly investigated by an impartial |ance companies accept the age given tribunal with a view to c-m-rm':t".nglhe2 i\vhon the policy of insurance was is-- serious abuses which are alleged to | Isued has been so changed by the spe-- exist and putting an end to the open| 17 : goga s o c ay) and flagrant violations of the law| Iclal committee of the Legislature to [hrough the "l'i'l'uti')lls of the so--call ; :j\\'hi(,'h it was referred that the pro-- ed "blind pigs.'" i '|\ moter asked to be made acquainted Licensed by Fines. | .'wirh it in the House yesterday. The | In 1906, said Mr. Elliott, when thc! |nill came up in the committee stage present license act was ]PHSS('(J the| ;}in the HmlSr», but it had a short pas-- proposal was to place steambouts ;uu_l' llsagn, and on motion of the Prime Min-- ""'fl('t vars in the sume pogilion . 48. | | ister was sent back to the special com-- taverns, but that idea was dropped.} | mittee. The difficulty was that the Since then the principal steamboats l:r(xl)rir'tp"] bill was not (m'l\' entirely plying on inland waters had been| ;ldiff,-,,-mn, from the one that had been fined more or less regularly once a| |first introduced, but, according to Mr year. It was the duty of the Govern--| 'E\I('}\'pn\\rn' radically different frAnm. ment to see that this sale was not| | what the committee had agreed upon I permitted. Similarly, he said, li--| | _ _"As I understand it," explained t'ho. ; quor was being sold on hbuffet cars| | member for Dufferin, '"Mr. McGarry running through the Province \\'iih-' fat the last meeting of the ('nmmitto}x' out regard for the restriction of lw! isugzpstod an amendment by '.\'hi;*l; ral option municipalities or the hours | | notices that proof of age was neces. \ f of sale. It was useless for the de--| ISHY'.\' before payment of the claim 1 ¢ partment to claim that this could} ';shmlld be made by the insurance com-- 1 | f not be stopped. | | pany should be sent out with the + Turning then to the prevalence of| policy., The bill here provides that| ? '"blind pigs" in Northern Ontario, the| the company must send out a notice member for West Middlesex said thal | eommmnemstinmegoemnicentsen nmbrustrieys Meeaptaetan I fact that the department admitted the| f sale in other cases mentioned was in } ~, violation of the law led him to rv:u-hl the same conclusion with regard to| ¢ 4 illegal selling in Northern Ontario. In! F F contradiction of its policy to keep li--| , i quor out of Northern Ontario sinu-u? ; $ 1908, the number of licenses granted| f 7 had increased. "Reports are receiv--| ¢ 4 ed about open and flagrant vinmli-.ni I & of the liquor license law," continued ' Mr. Elliott, reading extracts from l(---,v' $ ters and reports to show that the traf-- ! fic was thriving in that section. | 4 Mr. Hanna's Defence. $ % By a process of elimination, Mr. f f Hanna pointed out that the offence| } was not as glaring as had been made & out. No liquor whatever was sold on : the boats of the Northern Navigation Company, and on the C.P.R. boats, ¢ so far as his knowledge went, only at , ' meal times. "With regard to Lake! y Ontario, whatever may happen in! i American waters, I have the best ofl + reason to believe that the instructinn| '/ © cce 00000000000