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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 2 May 1913, p. 2

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f _peal to you--" 'Here he stopped for $ _ oR on the foor of the H § In th . $ the & 5. | up on e nNnoor o e ouse. In e * f der "noise.' The' cries of. order.. o'l:' meantime and until the matter is dis-- + j | , _ continued.. .Hé Jied again: "I posed of I must most respectfully de-- § appeal to you as a member of this s cline to answer any questions or take | House and as & gentleman to conduct | further steps before this committee. f P yourself in a gentlemanly manner." [ vewnel--beine, Obliged fo tak? this | «* " fip ; WhithEyv--Don' course, but as T cannot obtain justice | f ames hitnéy--Don't _ appeal and fair treatment no other course | to him. | could be adopted." ' Mr. Proudfoot stopped reading. A; Mr. Nesbitt Recapitulates, sarcastic smile tinged the corners of} <--On the conclusion of the Proudfontl his mouth, and then calmiy repeated:| incident Mr. Nesbitt asked permission s ' "I want to make this statement." { :)'f_i(;?sc:ommittec to recapituiate the McGarry to the Resceue. , The _ Chairman--Please make itf Like : infe o reix o og% o brief. We understand it pretty well.| # M '(l_?'"_' \_"'"'m errant Mr. °C. ""l 4 Mr. Nesbitt said: '"'The statement Metarry (South Renfrew) came to j upon which the charges were found-- , the reseue. "I have a motion to make, | ed was that a $500 note, at least a Mr. Chairman. 1 beg to move lhut,; gubscription of 35.00 was given by Mr. owihs to the fac ' gtt ' Taylor. was recenyed by Mr. Hanna _ NS ie fact that Mr. Proudfoot} |from Mr. Taylor in November, 1907; refuses to be sworn and give evidence | that there was a general election for f before this ~committee, this com-- | the Provincial Leglslutux_'e in. June.' ; mittee hear no statement from him. ;I\;']PS,'F' l?'llat "'1 1.9]]' ;':PI'ta(lln' Clglmtstgy, 'Me has withdrawn from this inquiry CGovernier o ud ware m 'fgfims e ' ind now-- comes | here 'as; S O Government and were not acceded to sitmmoned 31. ")~n- (' ;,fl'l !" a ""31"'"" by Mr. Hu:mnn,;. that Mr. Taylor then 3 insy uther ainthormty maiido vort e raniy had an interview with Mr. Hgnna,! che: i vomard ity or status before and during the course of that inter--| ' { n"( ..mnm.\( C. view stated that he had reason to ex--| Phe motion was put and carried pect better treatment than he was re-- | and Mr. Proudfoot walked off with § ceiving; that he had contributed $500 ~1h." remark: "I will treat this com-- towards the party funds, and he pro-- mit se in the way that we have been ceeded to state that he would make} troeited heretofore." | that public, and also make public] + i t *"*We won't fArgue--about it. at aird 'matters he now says were not with--| That incident is closed," retorted the in his personal knowledge at all, andl , Chsirman. that a coal tender or coal tenders had | Mr. Proudfoot--I told you vester-- been manipulated, zm(.] that the con-- F day that so far as the committee was duct of Mr. Hanna 1in, reference to j concerned the mautter is closed. I underfeed stokers was irregular, and The Chairman--1I won't argue with \eoft (the ,100M. yon. Granting of Fiat. } Mr. Proudf{0ot--You go on maxking j % j statements in connection with me. _ "*After that it is .s\nle'd a fiat \\"a.ts' The Chairman--You have had an granted _ at the instance --of Mir opportunity in the proper way James Whitney and Mr. Hunn.a. as At the opening of the session -- Mr. | part ot the scheme to have the litiga-- David lFasken,. k.C., was called h\.' t108 _(~c,msw|m-n§ upon that referred to sys Mr. Negbitt. He explained that lie was a friendly arbitrator, and to get all | . solicitor for the firm of Staunton's award satisfactory to Mr, Taylor, and | » limited. At the time Mr. 'l'hnrm'\ that the obtaining of the fiat, thel wil was acting as arbitrator in the dis-v granting of the x'ufcl'('n(:o." and the ° pute of Taylor, Scott & Co. he had award that followed were 1mpr0p'er&l'.¥'. called upon him to secure his advice illegally u'nf] corruptly granted l).) ir as to the best method of arriving at James Whitney and Mr. Hanna, in y a conclusion in regard to several turgl:noranv(- of. that schem&v'. py tw items in the claim. He wanted to as-- "'-h"t nerpes . fg]lou('fl ".\b'"o certain what would be the proper specific charges, -- which 'rhcuc een : measure of damages to award in re-- gone pvyel PNole than ... Onc% spect to horsepower as well as to hav-- here, namely, that 'the grantx(xilgucl) ing his award substantiated in both the fat was corruptis do_ne. o r tle' law and fact. From the information making of the reference Was of()rl!iuxi_ (31 placed before him by Mr. Thorne, it | done, and the f'"'f'rd .thdt' é) (')'\sea | almwured that he had gone to a great | was ];)l(l'a\'\';:(';p corruption and wa de; « e & s t 1 corru a w * °f:dslat'i,;f\'tll")'f;llll)llOp:tq(ilossittmtfj(--l m];\]t(m'd "The prosecution called the Deputy | | tlon 3 f e aLbira« | j Attorney--General, Mr. Cartwright, 'd, | j f man _ of unblemished roputatlxlon.l oé' 7 Mr. Pr f'oot's Stateme I Liberal affiliations with men who had| | 1 A Itmftlh)ol s statement. j been at the very first van of the po-- Following is the statement prepar-- | | utrcal battles of this country for the e ed by Mr. Proudfoot, which the com--| iiberal party, and was the chosen mittee declined to hear: { | nominee of Sir Oliver Mowat for the *'*Yesterday I withdrew from this | position he now occupies, and was re-- ' committee, accompanying such \\'ilh-" * | tained in it by Mr. Hardy, Mr. Ross drawal with a statement that the | [ and afterwards Sir James Whitney. matters in question were ftirst brought | | He was examined in a most careful up by me before the Public Accounts }:md searching way by couqsel gor the Committee to bring the matter up on , I prosecutor; the result of hfs evidence ' the floor of the House. No relief was| h6 that he and he alone w astresti)lfi)élfi ' afforded. 1 again went before said | wible for the issue of the flal, ' * i 'hich : in y Cas | after his imprimatur had been stamp-- ' committee, \\h_l( h again refused to 'ed upon the papers followed as al \ | "e:mu the (.\\-I(lf'f"je.' desired being mere piece of automatic machinery, ).DU. in. Afterwards I made the and that any statement that he had i « h,n'rgos on the floor of the l{ouse' been zlpproa':'h*'d. directly or indirect-- * }\'ll.ICh' are before you. T asked for an | ly, by any member of the Government iny es&gatmn before a Royal C(nnmls-{ 'or any outsider, or that he had acted | sion. The House dev!nu-d my request, | upon the papers or passed upon the but sent same to this committee, ac--| claims as any other than a just claim | companied by the statement of tho' to be investigated, was absoluleiy ' | Prime Minister that a full investiga--| false . § § tion would be granted. I retained | __"Phe first charge, theretore, was counsel and went to a great deal of absolutely gone, vanished into thin trouble and inconvenience to properly air, by the evidence adduced by the present my case. : | second witness for the prosecution. . From then on no sane person, in the '§ Hampered by Delay. face of that evidence, could arfgue c11'01' " "Al 'tions fer = -- '\a moment that there was any founda-- f<n-tl|'§clox?1ri?1§u«§rtx"t)rrlxz flpl(zuxl)'x':lxn:'s;:ip ,::10(; tion whatever for the allegation that| . * o ob vary e C 'ould I was very much hampered. Notwith-- the charge in relation to the fiat cou standing this, T went on after many | be sustained . ' 4 uh,ie'('tions. whioh.' l' believe, were ut-- Says Hoe Was Lenient. | # A terly untenable. Evidence was put in 29 which T believe fully established cer-- "Now I come to the next. The next tain of the most important facts I set was that the award was corrupt. A out to prove. Finally, we reached the witness called Thorne was examined . +0 point where evidence of an import-- I have no doubt that any lawyer R ; | ant and vital nature was tendered and would probably have taken exception j refused. I was prepared to go on to the extreme latitude I, acting for n and % iln . Sir James Whitney and Mr. Hannag, prove to the hilt the balance of r ¥ allegations. but l allowed the prosecution in the exami-- ¢ j PV . e AeaHOnte »OUL . Ofvie _ J4O .. _ B nation of that witness. It was not course taken I four'ul it ixru)OSSJ'ble to an examination:; it was a series Of 4 k do so. After I 'v«ithdre\\. evidence leading _ cross--examining -- quéstions f for the defence was permitled of a based upon the statements made by C ;'mture SlnTllal' to that which had not Thorne himself in 1912, and I allow-- A een allowed to be put in on my be-- ed all sorts of side--gossip of things a ( half, on the ground that it was ir-- not pertaining to the charge that relevant. This satisfies me that the could not in any court of justice l course T took in withdrawing _ was have been allowed --to be Ad-- _4 fully justified. I do not intend to mitted. I did so because the award f let the matter drop here. On Tuesday \ was stated to be corrupt, and the a next I will bring the whole question _..__ man a mere tool in the hands of Sir % h Cc alt o inmniiiiimatio t : ~=

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