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Hon. Mr. Lucas--The Commission never in any way asked for the ex-- tradition of Lobb. Mr. Carter--Then they committed m IWunder and no mistake about it. 'Get--nway of J, W. Moyes. "The -- MUMydro--electrio . Commission mever, directly or indirectly, lodged a reguest for the extradition of A. F. Lobb," declared Hon,. I. B. Lucas, At-- torney--General, and member of the Hyd@dro Commission, in reply to Mr. Bem Carter, who mentlonecd the Lnbb affair. PA A Public Qutrage. Hon. Mr. Lucas said the Crown, on Iits own initiative, when it knew some af the things, not only in connection with the Hydro, but also --in regard &o Mr. Lobb's estate down town, used every effort to securs Lobb,. Hoe worurld be glad to let Mr. Carter see tho information of the department. Mr. Carter--I will be glad to see it. Hon. Mr. Lucas--What I do point out is that in all these cases the very mention of these things in the House defeats the very purposo tha depart-- ment has in view. A Startling sStatement. Mr. Proudfoot ~said, although the people might not consider they had much chance of getting their money back--they had been defrauded of at least $126,000--a very vigorous effort should be made to arrest Moyes, It might be said that the people up there were the only ones interested in the prosecutior. When a man like Moyes committed a fraud such as hbe committed and got away with it, then it was an encouragement to other people who were promoting schemes of this and other kinds. It should mot, in cases of this type, be left en-- tirely for the private individual to start a prosecution. Attorney--General's Deftence. --_-- With reference to J. W. Moyes, who got control of a charter known as the Ontario West Shore Railway Company, had seen him since. When the man had gone away, three years after | the frauds had been committed.andt the money stolen, the department was | asked to get him. | ~--*""The very municipalities, through their e.ounrsel, through their repre-- / DEFAULTERS' GET--AWAY | _ _ Thes cases of J. W. Moyes and A,. ET. Lotb were again brought to the at-- tention of the Legislature yesterday, the discussion arising out of a mo-- tion by Mr. Proudfoot (Centro Huron) for copies of all correspond-- ence, reports, and documents in any Mr. Carter--Your statement that the Hydaro--electric Commission did not even refer this to you nor draw your notics to it is rather startling Hon. Mr. Lucas sald if thero was brought down to the House the cor-- respondence showing how the de-- wartment had been trying to reach the man they were attempting to arrest, that woulid defeat the very pur--| pose of the hon. member who raised the question,. Moyes' last evidence was on April 21, and then he vanish-- ed into the northland, and nobody | way relating to the attempted atrest of Moyes, who got control of s char-- ter known as tho Ontario West Shore Reilway Company. Mr. Carter--1 think it is an ont-- rage. I have heard the Attorney-- General say that Lobb got away with $8,000 or $10,000 from the Hydro. If they havse not lodged a complaint, then it is a public outrage. Attorney--General Criticized for Failing to Arrest J. W. ~Moyes and A. F. Lobb -- Defence of Government AIRED IN LEGISLATURE 6, 1917, e aimememamee sgnioem ns cansanes m Arrmam n «d nenntamen m ntoasi ns( ® ndrtutives, having the details, hnaving' all the knowledge, knowing the frauds | ¥rom 1911, knowing them. as they | were disclosed before -- the Ralilway : Board, took no action, made no SUE--~ gestion to the Attorney--General's De-- partment," said Mr. Lucas, '"and yet *here were insinuations of blame of the Attorney-(.}eneral's Departimnent." An attempt was apparently being made to get political advantage. Reason for Delay. Mr. Proudfoot said that, whilse it 1 M oi i 1 o wl on Secars Nce uen 04 Mr. Proudfoot said that, whilse it was true a great many statements had been mads about the funds having been misappropriated and disposed of improperiy, it waf not known °x-- sctly how it would work out until the investigation took place before The Railway Board. It was only at that iimo they ascertained what had. become of the money and how the, money had been spent. Just as soon as the report was made by the P'-'afld' tho proceedings were instituted. It was ldle for tho Attorney--General to say his department did not know what was going on, when the pro-- ceedings appeared in the press every day., Moyes could have been arrest-- ;a'nlon'gvfagt'o;e' he left. He denied that he had brought the matter up to gailn political capital. Was an Issue in Huron. Mr. A. H. Musgrove (Noxrth Huronr) srid thoe township of Ashfield was in his constituency, and at last elec-- tion this Moyes affair was one of the most difficult points he had to meet He." h'(-)';éi';_r-. 'gfot. a statement from Mr. Foy, and that proved satisfactory to the people. 1w2 s Hon. Mr. Lucas said the first noti-- flcation they had from Mr. Proudfoot was on May 3, 1914, while Moyes, it was stated, bad left on May 1. The Attorney--General's Department . was asked not to a@arrest Moyes until the Railway Board made their report, which report was issued on the 1l1th of May. Inspector Boyd was at once placed on the job, and Moyes having been supposed to havo gone to Al-- gonquin Park, the Inspector was told aif to try and locate kim there, while the Toronto police kept his house here under observation. Lawyers Differed. Mr. Proudfoot stated that personal-- ly he wanted Moyes to be arrested at ance, but there were three golicitors and they did not agrese. Hon. Mr. Lucas undertook that if there was any correspondence that could with adviszshility be brought down it would be brought . down. However, if it wera round that this should not be done it would not be brought dowmn Penalties for "Listener=," Legislation was introduced by Hou. Mr., Lucas imposing a penalty of not more than $25 on telephone listeners. This is intended to apply to rurai telephones. "You can get the informa-- tion, but you cannot pass it on; that is about the limit at present," said the Attorney--General 'with a smile: "This applies as well to operators. where it is more serious, and a pen-- alty may be imposed upon anybody who repeats conversations that comes to him over the telephone and is not intended for him." The Attorney--General said there was another clause which provided the nsecessary machinery in connec-- tion with legislation which it was ey-- pected would be adopted at Ottawa this session. That provided for joint mmeetings of the Ontario end Domin-- ion Boards for the purpose of gerrang-- ing terms for 'connections between Provincial and Dominion companites.