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He. charged that there had been a flood of orders in Council passed by the Ontario Government, al- though he admitted there were in- stances whore men should be par- doned because of technicalities un- der the terms of the 0.T..A. Dur- ing the year 1918 and up to March 6, 1919. thirty-eight orders in Council had been passed regarding the re- mission or reduction of finea in cases tried in the Toronto Police Court. Mr. Dewart frankly admitted that he had one of his clients pardoned because of a technicality. If they were instances of absolute. remis- sions, it would not be so bad. but twenty-seven cases were merely a. re- duction in fines. He contrasted what he claimed was the severity in the Homer 0380 with others which were dealt with Ieniently, and wondered if the reduction of lines was part of the patronage machinery. No Proper Audit. in the employ of the Government as agents of this department? Is it true that Slavin has been in the em- ploy of the License Department jointly with men who made the sale to him during the Very time that this House has been sitting, and at the very time when this discredited iruspector had the audacity to sit upon 'the floor of the House with the Judges and clergy and digni- taries who graced the House upon its opening?" Mi. Dewar! said that there was no proper audit upon the vxpenditurea made by the Lia-use Department. The Provincial Auditor called atten- tion to the fact in the Public Ac- counts that the certificate of the Min.. ister that. any sum of money was re- quired to be paid out shall be auttb. cient authority for the Issue of a. cheque, and that his approval was final. Nethan tuavin, atrreeiCTti7Bn It to! him at 81,400. The truck-load are. delivered at Slavln's place and uponl the truck that delivered the liquor rode an agent of the department. and other officers followed in a mo- tor. Slavin was charged with hav- ing liquor in an unlawful place. Mr. Dewart declared that subsequently an arrangement was made by Ayearst by which a fine of $400 would be accepted. However. the Magistrate imposed a tine of $1,000 and costs or six months in Jail. Slavin went to jail but his friends got busy. Why Was Find Reduced? It was not long before an ,rder in Council was passed on the recom- mendation of the Attorney-General. remitting $600. making the tine $400. which was paid. and Slavin was re- leased. "Why was the tine re- duced?" asked Mr. Dewart. "Was it because the transaction turned out to be one in which an agent of the: Government had been guilty ot dis-l honorable conduct? Is it true. that the man who made that sale to Sla- vin afterwards disgorged a portion of that $1.500? Is it true that af- ter a. fortnight Slavin was employed by the Department to enforce the law? is it true that both the vendor and the. purchaser of the liquor were "My honorable friend has made a motion asking for an investigation. He has made, as he always makes. a very plausible and very forcible argument, and always in courteous language. But my honorable friend surely does not expect to get away with that class of argument in this House. He is making not.a motion tor an investigation. My honorable friend has no desire whatever to have this motion carry. It is so evident that I only desire to mention it to point out how much sincerity there is in the remarks of my honorable friend. He would lead the members of the House to believe that he really wanted an in- vestigation on this motion. He has waited for the opportunity when the Government moved that the Speaker should leave the chair to go into committee, to make this motion, when he, of all Parliamentarians, knows no amendment can be made. Mr. Lucas said that he had not intended participating in the Budget debate, and that he was speaking without all the papers before him. However. he desired to reply to one or two things that affected his de- partment. Want of Confidence Motion. iiurt' tirrdGGGarirt" must dc: '.' to teat it or retire. It is a want of confidence motion, which no one knows better than so able a. Parlia- mentarian as the honorable member for Southwest Toronto." (Govern- ment applause.) Probe Not Wttnted. "ft is not an investigation he wants. It is something else he wants. The purpose is so obvious, even to the newest member of this House, and now that my honorable friend is out in the open, and the camouflage has been removed from his outer costume, we know'wherq (he IS standing. He has thrown a. llot of dust, and thrown many in.. lsinuations against the Gov'ernment, Ithe License Board, and Mr. Ayearst, land against anyone who had any .connection with the Homer inci- i dent." _ "My honorable friend can either accept that position, stand up when we take this vote, and, on his re- sponsibility as a member of this House, demonstrate to the House and to the people that he is not en- deavoring to humbug, that he is not endeavoring to use this House to make slanderous statements involv- ing members of the House, or the License Board. or the Provincial In- spector. If he will do that, the fullest kind of an inquiry will be made. He has made a most serious charge against a man whose name rings true in the Province of Ontario. I. am not one to say that the Chief Inspector has never made a mistake. He may have made mistakes, as most men would have, for he occupied a dim- cult position; but I venture to say, in the Judgment ot this Houge, that' no one has ever charged him with dis- honesty until my honorable friend made the charge he has made in this House. At first he makes an insinua- tion, and then he gets braver and makes a charge. He says that an official of the department is a mem- ber of the Employers' Detective Agency, and so shares in the profits. I cannot answer that question. and I cannot believe it is true. It such a charge-if there is one scintilla of evidence to support that slanderous charge-it it is not true, that infam- ous charge-Met him stand up now and say, 'I withdraw; I apologize,' or let him show his sense of responsi- Certain people were suspected by the department of being guilty ot selling liquor. Criminal lawyers al- ways attacked private detectives in a case, and Mr. Dewart knew how to do that well. Mr. Lucas said that he would not discuss the Burns Agency at length or the employment of private detectives. "We should not employ Burns," interrupted Mr. Allan Studholme, Labor member for East Hamilton. "My honorable friend is a mem- ber of responsibility in this House. He has made that statement. I say now to him that having had opp0r- tunity to deal with it, if my honor- able friend will formulate any charge involving in any way any official. anrmernbtur of the Govern- ment or anyone who is in any way connected with the Government or the License Board with anything irregular or improver I will ask the Premier to recommend to this House that a Commission of Inquiry be given him to substantiate any of these statements." (Applause from Government benches.) Lucas Defends Ayearst. Continuing, the Attorney-General said Mr. Dewart had asked for an investigation. Mr. Dewart had said the cheque for $3,200 had been cash- ed, and further insinuations had been made as well. He referred to Mr. D-ewart's motion as "hogus." " .ask that the word be with- drawn," said Mr. Dewart, rising to a point of order. _ - - "All right. I withdraw it and can it a, sham." (Applause from the Government.) - __. "I object to the word 'ashant'; no honorable member has a, right to use it." again interrupted Mr. Dewart. "i withdraw the words sham and bogus and call it a. camouflage motion." (Applause.) "I would not suggest that he was a sham or humbug, but when I give him this opportunity we will see which class he should be in. He says there is something crooked. He quotes a newspaper which says the same thing," continued the Attor- ney-General. A "Bogus" Motion