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J. W. McLeod, Liberal member for Stormont, also expressed the convic-- tion that the Government's actual de-- ficit was much larger than that ad-- mitted by Hon. Peter Smith. More-- over, he thought the new taxes pro-- posed would not cover the expendi-- tures for the coming year, which must show a deficit greater than that just announced. Mr. Warren explained that his re-- marks had to do with Mr. Tolmie's criticism of the enforcement of the O.T.A., if not of the act itself. Continuing, he expressed the opin-- ion that the O.T.A. should be en-- forced with an iron hand. Mr. Tolmie--A just hand. Touching upon the unemployment conditions in the cities, Mr. Warren told the House he had taken occas-- ion to interview a number of To-- ronto's unemployed who were stand-- ing in line awaiting meal tickets. Not one of them, he said, showed any willingness to work on a farm. Alarmed at Expenditures. The proposed Hydro power tax, Mr. MclLood thought, was an excel-- lent idea, and he hoped that the Mr. Tolmie--Mr. Speaker, I must protest. _ Not one word of ceriticism of the Ontario Temperance Act fell from my lips. I ask him to with-- draw. R. M. Warren, North Renfrew, re-- gretted the somewhat personal nature of certain of the attacks made upon members of the Cabinet. In a special sense, he thought, the Attorney--(General had been the ob-- ject of much undeserved abuse. In this respect the treatment by certain members of the Attorney--General had been uncalled for, in his opinion. Personally he had been surprised to hear from the member for Windsor (Dr,. Tolmie) criticism of the Ontario Temperance Act, in view of the for-- mer calling of that memiber. Proceeding, Mr. McCrea asted Hon. Mr. Smith what he anticipated would be the total Provincial expen-- ditures. + The Provincial Treasurer didn't know offhand and wou'ld bring down the information. Mr. McCrea anticipated an expenditure of from $75,000,000 to $100,000,000 in 1921, and he thought it was time the Government began to "cut its cloth according to the garment." Regrets Warn Attacks. The speaker went on to cite the revenues derived from convictions under the O. T. A. and from rac«-- tracks. "I do not Inow what this Government would have done if it were not for the O. T. A. and the racetracks," he commented. Mr. McCrea quoted other in-- stances of items that were, in his opinion, wrongly charged to capital account. These totalled, ho sgaid, more than $800,000. "In other words," he went on, "this Govern-- ment has a deficit on ordinary revenue and ordinary expenditure of $1,700,000. This House and thne Province will be glad to know from the Treasury benches that the con-- clusions I have reached are not correct." The Minister of Agriculture, he stated, was preparing rural credits whereby farmers would borrow at lower rates than were open to urban dawellers; that grants to agriculture would be increased, and that the cattle embargo would be removed. Piles up Big Deficit. week by week, by such papers as The Farmers' Sun," the speaker stated. If farmers really read this paper and took it seriously, he won-- dered that any of them found them-- selves content to try to make a liv-- ing on the farm. Debt and Taxation. "I submit," declared the member for Sudbury, "that this will be a matter of very serious comment among the people of Ontario, al-- though treated very lightly by my genial friend, the Provincial Trea-- surer, that not only did this Govern-- ment exceed the full amount that it had expected to require to spend, but another eight million dol-- lars as well." The first Conservative . speaker upon the Budget was Charles M.-- Crea of Sudbury, who analyzed the increased expenditures for the past year as working out at $100,000 per diem. The Treasurer's message, he said, was a message of debt, liability and further taxation, and it con-- trasted greatly with the pre--election "economy pleas" of the Farmer-- candidates. ©Government would put it.into effect, 'in spite of any adverse comment on the part of the urban Preéess. "If the Premier will push that broadening--out idea he will be do-- ing a great thing for both urban and rural people in this Province,"" de-- clared the member for Stormont. Henry Assails Budget. Hon. George S. Henry, East York, vigorously assailed the Budget. He declared that money 'had gone to brokers and speculators 'that should have gone into the public Treasury. The Treasurer, he declared, had wasted money, and to no purpose, by selling at 93 bonds that now were being traded at par. The sooner the Provincial Treasurer could get his financing on a sound 'basis the better for the Province. The meimber declared that the President of the Ontario Agricultural College "could not get out of his narrow groove; in his public ad-- dresses he must talk politics." He then quoted from an editorial in The Globe which criticized the appear-- ance of President Reynolds as a speaker on political subjects on the public platform. He stated that the opinions therein expressed were his opinions. A spasm of Disorder. L. W. Oke, U.F.O. member for Lambton East--Does my hon. friend object to a chair of political economy in McGill University? There was further laughter and several cross--floor exchanges, which concluded with Mr. Dewart admon-- ishing the Minister of Public Works to rise in his seat if he had any re-- marks to make. Finally, Premier Drury appealed to the Chair for or-- der. Through the brief storm Hon. Manning Doherty did not get an opportunity to answer the original question. There was an uproar when Hon. Mr. Henry, Mr. Oke, the Minister of Agriculture and one or two other members attempted to speak simultaneously. Hon. Mr. Henry attempted@to proceed, and was met by laughter from the other side. "Every time I get on my feet," he said, "I am met with laughter from my honorable friends. I am won-- dering if their hides are loosening and it is affecting them."' 9p, 7Godfrey---0h. who discovered America?