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M o. en eae . s Pn . _ P e s a not paying for it; the taxpayers rcommission--one a member. of this ' fi'tt';uyln'; for l't: you are not _ 198 Government--and we are said to. be, ' ;'flng. a bonus. Up to date the~ '@ s déceiving the people. As to that, we rovince has not »contributed "one 2. $ are glad to stand on our record. But | cent to this scho'r'ne in the way of xMM@ mistakes may be made, and I -- ask e es nvestrentions _ "~ * """aod $ Y¥ » ; inary investigations. ' nothing better than to, be shown ® Geté I # * ' those mistakes before they are Premier ts AIrifor vion. { made." Premier Drury--How much has N 7 * been paid by municipalities toward Can Sell or Scrap. * the redemption of money loaned by Sir Adam made no apologies for th%iprx';:g\e?About $17.000,000 c wIr m » + » wnhat had been done by himself and Premier Drury--How much has f hls COlleagues in power de\'elopmen'. been borrowed frorn the Province at Niagara. The work there, when by the commission for Hydro de-- completed, would, he -- said, be a velopment? x scredit to the continent of North Sir Adam--I haven't got the ex-- ' America and & source of untold act figures. They are in our annual . : ~ satisfaction to the people of the report. s h Province. Premier -- Drury----What is the . "If you want to, you can sell out amount of interest met by the Pro--| to the Americans at a good profit,"' vince due to the deferred sinking . he declared. "Or you can JjJeopardize fund provision ? _ the whole system by following the Sir Adam--We pay the interest \ suggestions of the report of this from the date we get the bonds. committee. --By following that re-- Premier Drury--If by any reason port you could in a very short time -- now unforeseen, you fail to colleci'.l scrap the system, and, meantime, ~ by power rates, is it feasible for the| you -- would be making 'secraps of * Province to collect in any other pqpler' of comralcts made b{d you way ? [g se with cox'npanics that were acting jn Bir Adam--Yeés. It is absol y good faith.'} ¢ } to the commission. We areoxyot:x]') al:)?l | Regarding the proposal of the A pointees, and if we didn't institute 4 investifating committee that the suits and make collections it would Hydro--electric system be taxed as be up to you to appoint men who an ordinary corporation and that a would. N super--tax be put upon urban power [ Premier Drury, following up his consumption to bonus the distribu-- point of Provincial liability in case tion of power in rural areas, Sir of failure of any Hydro enterprise Adam was outspoken and emphatic. (r')ited_ the 1103398 incurred by --the t s vs c rovince because of the § b(llinb Product at Cost. | loans gua'_ra'nteed hy an eaT]?::Cfg} E: "We are not a company making | ministration. In view of that experi-- money," he stated.. "We are selling ' ence, he asked, would any system of our product at its actual cost. If 00"'30"(--',:1 by the Government be : you tax us, you simply take -- your ;teasible. + * money from one pocket and put it * 64 a* in the other. In New York pcom- Matter of ":gGood Politics. ! ; panies are not paying a dollar of "It may have been good politics to rental, nor do they pay a cent of have done what they did with the duty on the equipment they requiré municipal loans," _ replied Sir Adam. k to use. "I doubt if your Government or any : s "Quebec is offering free sites for | other Government to--day would vio-- . industry, and Ontario is proposing | ' late their trust. As long as a munici-- -- -- to tax--yes, super--tax. I warn you, j pality is sound, it is all by the way , gentlemen, you are'jeopardizing the | s to say that it may default. Anyway, j whole future if you do this. It is | this matiter is different from munici-- f { not in the interest of municlpalitlesl pal loans. Here we have a monopoly to tax them in respect to Hydro." of e product. These municipalities ~-- Touching upon the surcharge on | have got to buy from us. You have urban users, the Chairman of the ja lien on all the property involved commission was no less explicit. | and the financial burden is directly : | '"What does this mean for this | on the municipalitieg." 1 city of Toronto alone?" he asked. * Answering a question by Mr. Cas-- f "It means that the city of Toronto feiman. regarding the sums received & cannot possibly--take over this com-- j by the Niagara Falls Parks Com-- f _;»gn:.' it lgas dejcidtei;l tpt takedo;rer--- ! mission from rentals charged upon' r cou we jus 7 Iits so olng---- lps in e 7 j § if you put on this tiv"c')-dona.r supger- "oompamea 'gen'eratmb pyowe'" i1 tha,t' tax. Why, it would mean $240,000 area, the Chairman of the commis- super--tax to Toronto! I am sorry to lsmn flatly differed from the infer-- say that publicly, but I have to j ences drawn by the report of the | «€do it.'" committee. | History of Achievement, Challenges Report. i & The Chairman of the Hydro Power "I declare that there is a total col-- | | Commission spoke for nearly three lectable revenue _ accruing to this| f hours, and had for an -- audience Province of"$1}27.000,' he said em-- | | some sixty or seventy members of phatically, "You can get every cent | | ¢ is . h of that, | It's not the fault of the| | the House, including most of the commission if you are not getting it,' [ Cabinet and the Leader of the,.Con-- CEither there is gross carelessness in | | servative group. In response to a > 'collect.ing t.he renta{s or the ?tf-"e-i I query by Mr. Halcrow, Iabor, Sir img\?i na'ot:k.s@rrep(;rl'ltml'.:i:rlcgr;;ecxaam I | Adam began his address with a re-- . that the statement you are quoting $ | view of the inception, growth and {from the report is your own reply to § | development of the Hydro--electric ' pone gf s%\'en qucs_ttions submitted to w | s)-§10n1 trom 1900 to the present day. !'\ mén )Aflaem?-g';:n;:s tie\ria«:;orrect. Y ou | | This portion of his remarks con-- !can get every cent of tha. i §umcd almost two hours, and it was 'Powcr on the Farms. in response to definite and repeated c' Bs Fding the eXtenkion of rurkl c» j y s y t ga x o C » n sug.,es'fllm?s by Premier Drury, Hon. lpowor lines, the speaker stated that Peter Smith and Hon. Howard Fer-- Mittle of this had been done during guson that he finally turned to the «+ ._|the period of war, when costs were original cause of the conference: the lar the peak. Frankly, he said, he report of the Legislative commit-- !did not recommend it as an econom-- tee appointed to report upon the dis-- ]ic-al investment unless a farmer were tribution of Hydro--electric power. n 'prepared to make full use of the L -- # power; for Jlighting alone, it was a ] ig Munlcl.pal Enterprise. somewhat expensive luxury. #Hix to From its inception, the speaker cight hundred farmers, however, stated, the Hydro--electric enterprise * were using it and would pay two or f had been regarded as essentially a three times the present charge to re-- s municipal one. The act had been tain their service. * \-- l work'ed out so that the muni-- Questioned by Hon. Mr. Ferguson, cipality would have no say Sir Adam outlined the one way, to s . whatsoever as to administration. his mind, whereby farmers might re-- ; but would be entirely responsible duce the cost of installation and 3 in a financial sense. The commission equipment. This lay in co--operation, » ' i was, in effect, the trustee for the 8 he said. Let farmers buy the neces-- mUmClD;&ht.\' and held a lien upon all sary materials in bulk lots; let them { 3 {'e':"'ne_;? epmnected with Hydro en-- cut, haul and "spot" the poles; let SirpAda;r\ saqdnsh coming legiala?ion, them dig the holes and, to a large K .-4 rogt extmlox:dti e H_.E..P.C. had "the extent, erect their own lines. In > . %® given to any 'Lab? »owers . ever many instances in the Province, 7. s AEVET heard o}"p 1c commission I farming communities had refused "' "The ulers' of even to provide board for Hydro |_ ds : |are now 264 power--and there workmen, thus greatly enhancing| ° Hydro power--amrumcipa"uc' usine ' the cost of their own line, in that the service," he told the craug tor" is * workers had to board in the villages : * to'd the members. *'You nd be transported daily to and -- & dhe ; Sn o in