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4 v-- -- 8 na? '*:--r;v--.---'---- s * * Cc o. Pes e _' ke y' °_ AWe '.-. se s cpudingikietics . NY + Y f : Wlth Members. | 4 s n" ine »tonmeter 3 : : " ;i= " The Attorney--General said that the _ The Attomey;gtneral then revert-- concession of appeal to a County ed to the old e of whether the | f |Judge was made in deterence to the special O. T. A. Committee carried very wide sentiment against too a recommendation of appeal to much centralization. "The Govern-- County Judges. HMe proceeded _ to | ment,'" he said, "has no purpose take issue with the understanding | whatever in convicting any innocent of other members of the committee| man. .If we have erred at all in the whose recollections were that it did.| enforcement of this act we have err-- Joseph Thompson--But, depend-, éd on the side of lenliency." ing on the stenographic report, Mr. Dewart--Does the Attorney-- rather than on your memory, d°°s, General not realize that what we are it not say so definitely ? I proposing to do is to take that power Mr. Dewart, after the Attorney-- away from him and from his min-- General had repeariedly refused to ions, the License Commissioners, and concur in the view that the commit-- to place it in the hands of the Coun-- tee had so voted, asked: *"Will the ty Judges? | Attorney--General say that at any Hon. Mr. Raney objected to the! stage of that whole discussion there s term "minions'"' and proceeded to was any suggestion of any other--con-- eulogize the work of the License 'crete thought except the question Commissioners, who, he said, were of appeal to County Judges?" & doing splendid work for the Pro-- Hon. Mr. Raney--I have not read vince. l the whole record. . , Mr. Dewart--No, you picked out f |'v""' More Work. 64 what suited you. When the Attorney--General com-- The Liberal Leader, pressing his lmenced to read letters from County contention, read from statements o Judges disapproving of the right of made by the Attorney--General be-- 'nppeal to County Judges, R. L. Brac-- fore the committee. Hon. Mr. Fer-- kin interposed and asked if he did guson asked how, in view of the not realize that these gentlemen were evidence read, the committee mem-- very much opposed to the imposition | bers could have arrived at any other = of more work on themselves. '"'Time i conclusion than that they were vot-- and again," retorted the Attorney-- ing on County Judge appeals. |Genm~a1, amid laughug from t?edon- ; 6 ++ position side, "the County Judges | «'Pinning Him Down. ;have appealed to me: 'For goodness "I am indifferent to conclusions,'"' sake give us more work to do. " _ retorted the Attorney--General. He made the statement that in his Mr. Dewart--But we are anxious { opinion there never was a man pro-- to pin the Attorney--General down to secuted for bootlegging who was not something. Can he say how any la bootlegger. When he was in some suggestion other than that of appeal | difficulties in describing just _ what to County Judges was ever put be-- constituted -- a bootlegger R. L. fore the committee? 'Brackin suggested across the floor: } Hon. Mr. Raney did not answer '"An international trader." ) . the question directly, but said he ' \\'hen the Attorney--General in one l was wholly concerned at the mo-- of his remarks left the' inferert\'ce' ment with putting all the evidence |that the present issue was one e;* 'before the House and leaving honor-- ltwcen supporters and opponents 0 |able members to draw their ow the O. T. A. Mr. Dewart interrupted xconclusions ® a iwith: "If that is the issue which [~*»"Pne Government desires to avoid [ the Attorney--General deems is now [ th 6 s L Ahg | before the House he is very much |the appearance of any unfairness to * { mistaken. _ He is endeavoring to 'any person charged with offenses ?make it so, most unfairly." iunder this act," went on Hon. Mr. r 4 ' o r Figss" He concluded with an ap aney. The Government has since s peal for rational rather than preju considered the whole subject and dicial consideration of O. T. A. mat-- the Government has arrived at the ters. "There is," he said, "a failure decision to recommend to the House on the part of some prohibitionists an appeal by the defendant in these to make sufficient allowances for the cases to be heard by the County L irritation of other good citizens, just Judge on the record of the evidence as good as they are, who honestly taken before the Police Magistrate." feel that their liberty is being Mr. Brackin--Taken in shorthand abridged by the O. T. A." or by the Magistrate? y 4 Hon. Mr. Raney--That is as may Question of Election. be. | | T. H. Lennox, Conservative, North Mr. Brackin contrasted the fair-- + York, referred to a Globe news story ness of the two propositions. All which set forth the intentions of the that would come before the County Drury Government to go to the Judge, where there was no short-- | -- cauntry if the Government was not hand record, he said, was such notes sustained on its O. T. A. appeal -- {of evidence as the Magistrate had K recommendations. Perfgonally, said seen fit to take down. | Mr. Lennox, he had no fears of the Attorney--General Raney said the issue in an election, nor had he any shorthand method would be imprac--; fears of losing the U. F. O. Govern-- ticable. Opposition members rid{-- ment. culed with an outburst of laughter Mr. Lennox compared the old Li-- Hon. Mr. Raney's statement that he\ cense Act with present legislation in was not certain that the Ma.gistra.te'si 3 '_--respect of the severity of the penal-- notes were not a better record for ties for infringement. Under former appeal purposes than the shorthand} acts, he declared, there was very evidence. '"How comes all this soli-- little reason for infraction of the law, . |citude," he asked, '"for the boot-- s because of the ease with which legger? We never hear a demand liquor could be secured. Such prose-- for a right of appeal for the keeper cutions as were then roceeded with of a disorderly house or worse." were, in the great majority of cases, y 7 against persons whose offense gave Magistrates Can't Write. them the right of appeal. & Hon. 4. H. Ferguson asked the At. $ "Who ever heard of the late Gov-- torney--General if he were not aware érnment engaging criminals to en-- of the unconscious aptitude of the ' force the law?" he asked. Condi--| Police Magistrate to color the evi-- tions now prevailing, he declared,, dence which he jotted down in long-- were due largely to the class of meni hand. Mr. Brackin broke in with: | being employed by the Attorney-- '"'Some of them can't write." Per.| General, such as the Hallams. haps, if it were found necessary,' Attorney--General--May I point agreed Hon. Mr. Raney, some meth-- out that the Hallams were engaged} od of supplying shorthand writers | by Mr. Mousseau, who was appoint-- would be found. | ed by the late Government. | When the Attorney--General re-' The member for North York cited peated his comparisons of protection . instances of the employment of what of bootleggers and keepers of houses . he termed "blacklegs and bootleg-- of ill--repute Hon. Mr. Ferguson | | gers'"' in the enforcement of the jumped to his feet with a protest that | 'Temperance Act. Scores of these honorable _ members were being in-- '~-- | men, he said, were known publicly sulted. Surely," he said, "honor-- as perjurers. able members have a right to dis-- "Will you deny," he asked the At-- cuss a measure of appeal under the torney--General, "that there are a O T, A,. without being charged with half--dozen men who have been in your emplcy within six months now serving sentences in jJail?" Attorney--General--So far as I know, there isn't one. Wants Questions Written. * » Mr. Tolmie--How many men dur-- ing the year, Mr. Attorney--General, have been discharged by the License / _ _ pepartment of your department ,be-- --akpasait~* ;