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"I recent the suggestions being made." he went on, "and I know they have been made with full. de- liberate malice, in so far as I am con- cerned, in an effort to dismdit me. I resent any and every attempt such as is now being made-and in this particular instance by a paper ot the standing of The Cat1albe---to discredit gentlemen on this aids. of the House." "iiir' member on the Government aide. apart from Premier Drury, took Dart in the unscheduled debate on inc O.T.A. We Am. In that mar-a. he thought. it did not "lie in the momma of tho gentlemen oppoeite, with pious hypocrisy," to impute motives to others who did not see eye-Ito-eye with them, but who were ho less con- cerned than they regarding the en- forcement of any act upon the statute books. LIVELY RUMPUS OVER SAWLOGS BRIEF QUERY AND REPLY A stormy quarter-hour was preci- pitated yesterday in the Legislature when Hon. Howard Ferguson re- quested from the Minister of Lands and Forests an answer to a ques- tion on the order paper in the name of Mr. W. H. Price (Parkdale). The query asked for the average per- centage of over-run in lumber. cut from logs, over the amount indicated by what is known in lumbering as the "Doyle rule." As if to settle the turmoil, Hon Mr. Bowman Joined the Attorney- General on the t1oor and was about, to answer the question in some Question in Legislature Re Sawing Lumber Starts Merry Row The Premier scarcely had re named his seat when Hon. Mr. Bow man, overbearing the discussion, re turned to his chair. "No, but I know a lot more about the rules of this House than you do," retorted Hon. Mr. Ferguson, who again drew to the Speaker's at, tention the fact that the Attorney General pull refused to take his segt. L . _ - A The member for Grenville put his question just as Hon. Beniah Bow- man left his seat, and Premier Drury rose to remark that, while the answer was aVaiiable, the data upon Which it was based required verittcation, which might take some time to secure. "The answer is here, Mr. Speaker, and, I submit. .ahould be given to this House," he said. "It incorrect, it can be amended later." The Attorney-General arose. whereupon the Leader of the Con- servative group pressed his appeal to the Chair. . " have asked for your ruling." he said, warmly. "Mr. Speaker, I have appealed to you for a ruling." Sharp Retorts. Hon. Mr. Raney held the "turf. whereupon the member for Gren- ville informed him that he could not speak unlese to appeal to the House a'galn'st the ruling of the Speaker. "I see the Minister himself ianow in the House," stated Hon. Mr. Ferguson. "Perhaps we can have the answer." "Who said 80?" came trom Hon. F. C. Biggs. "You're not the Speaker!" Hon. Mr. Ferguson. resulting the words of the Minister, that he had an an" er ready, appealed to the. Speaker. "I have the answer here," re- plied the Hon. Mr. Bowman, "but it has not been sworn to, and I think the hon. gentleman should wait until it has been sworn to." In a moment the "row was on" in earnest. PREFERS SERIOUS CHARGES AGAINST ADMINISTRATION OF FISH ANP GAME LAWS Qhanner "irrien hi: Cabinet cblleaguoi impatiently moved ttim-into- his chair. 'Whaf. t_he Attorney-General "Who is responsible for this law I."' demanded Attorney-General . Raney when Mr. Hall quoted tttt" instance of a man wrongfully flited:" T He displayed a communication from a reputable northerner which expressed the opinion that the ma- Jority of the lines in the North coun- try had been imposed without for- malities of trial. Various sections, he said, complained also that there was little or no law enforcement. "I think the' Farmers Govern- ment," antsrtLtl1t member for may Bound. "I'gey ssuldiirtiie Mr. Hall complained vehemently of "drum-head" trials in the bus? and at, settlers' farm houses. con- ducted by omcious departmental ofti- cials, at which thy accused were sumryarils: convicted. fined, and their property confiscated. He named aw overseer who was alleged to have collected on his own respon- sibility $20,000 in fines in four months. None of these convictions, nor numerous others of which he complained, 'had been properly recorded in district records. He quoted' an instance 'or a Police Magistrate being approached on the subject ot imposing only maximum tines. . Fined Without Trials. MINISTER PROMISES AN INVESTIGATION tierious allegations of irregulari- ties in the administration of the fish and game laws in the Parry Sound district were made in the Legisla- ture last night by R. R. 'Hail, Lil)- eral member ('or-varry'tgound, who resumed the Rodget debate. In the midst of Mr. Hall's utterances Hon. Harry Mills promised that if proper evidence were forthcoming digmissals of certain North country 'omciais. would follow. l Member fo'CPirFiy Sound Declares There Are Sum- mary Convictions and Confiscation of Property at Drum-head Trials A moment later Premier Drury-- who had been silent throughout the whole affair - left the chamber With him went' Hon. Mr. Bowman. Together they entered the Speaker's chamber. What transpired in the privacy of Hon. Nelson Parliament'. well-appointed office was not ap- parent from the attitude of either, when, together, they returned to their seats an hour later. Here the Speaker ruled that the Minister of Lands and Forests should answer the question, which Hon. Mr. Bowman did in a brief sentence: "The average over-run is 100.1 per cent., and the highest 171.9 per cent." Ferguson "ttg Bland. "Thank you," came blandly from the member from Grenville, whose query had provoked an extraordin- ary scene. The peremptory gesture with which the Attorney-General silenced the Minister of Lands and Forests attain brought emphatic utterance from the Conservative Leader. -"Who is leading this House?" he demanded. "Is it the Atorney-Gen.. eral? Is he the mainspring of this Government?" and was not clear in the' noise in the Chamber, though the words "Not. no."' came distinctly to the Press Gallery. Who is Leader , law Sl