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"1 cannot withdrew, because Il T - am not at liberty to dittctt" it, "id? . ithought, by amending the present Mr. Dewart. referrins to the "ct', Rural Hydro Distribution Bill, the . that, his motion being WitthW-g T Government could see that private', . there was nothing 1Mtfore the companies getting aid would mot re- House. i ceive too much in proflta. 'a ask the honorable member tol H. A. Stevenson. London, advocat- withdraw," said the Speaker. ed the appointment of a select com- . . "rhen, Mr. Speaker. under your . ttittee of the House to consider the ruling, I withdraw it, said Mr. _ question. R. R. Hall, Parry Sound, . ' a Dewart. said that it was time the autocracy . Mr. Casselman, in beginning his exercised day after day 'by the Hydro ' ' statement. referred to the special Commission should be done away . (i; ' committee appointed two sessions with and the commission put under , r ago to inquire into the possibility the Government. /, _ of more equitable distribution of; Hon. F. C. Biggs quoted Hydro V Hydro-electric service at a more uni.. rates charged to himself and tar- . 'orm price. Efforts during the 1921 mer neighbors at his home in Went- session. he said, by members of the worth county, near the town of committee to have a bill passed sub- Dundas. His service charge he . stantially embodying the findings of . said, was $72.96 a year. On, the , . . the committee were unsuccessful. line, two and a half miles long, there . ' L a Luxu . . were 28 users. Last year these . Electric Ttange " lines had been extended with Gov- . . lr? eastern Ontario the people ernment assistance, and the service 1 . tuid excessive rates for Hydro- charges reduced about $1 a month. (electric service under the Hydro- ' ' f " i , _ electric administration. The rates Cities "Gobble It Up. T i ' were so high that in these hard i The great trouble had been that ' times farmers and very few towns- I Hydro, to a large extent, had been " , .men could afford to pay them. "simply gobbled up" by the larger 7 Such luxuries as electric ranges were centres, and farmers were not get- T out of the question, while in the ting their fair share of. the power. I ' west they were common, thanks f0 Col. Carmichael announced that f Provincial financing, "with apologies the Hydro had built, under the Gov- . , to The Toronto Globe," he added. ernment bonus scheme, 125 miles of ( I Mr. Casselman said that in Wil- subsidized rural primary lines, and . liamsford township. in Dundee coun-l there were under contract to be ty, the service charge to the farm-i, built about three times that number _ N's submitted by the Hydro last sum- I ot miles. There was no reason, he mer was $57 per year on a 20'Year' said, why any municipality could . contract that virtually mortgaged not enter into contract with the V the farmer's property, and a service ( Hydro-electric Power Commission to ' charge that the farmer had to pay build primarly transmission lines and b' . no reason w y the commission could l _ whether he took the power or not. I not enter into contracts to purchase I . The consumption charge on top of l t , . l POB' er, whether from private sources that was 8 1-2 cents per kilowatt Cor otherwise hour. These rates were arrived at J W. McLeod, Stormont, said _ after deducting the amount of Gov- l that he thought the bill might well eminent assistance for the building be taken up by the Government and _ IE of the low-tension transmission lines. given conmderation. He outlined ' gl .' There was a power company in the and stressed the requirements of . county that had under way a fin" eastern Ontario in electrical mat- _ Bervice on the basis of $30 a year ters, and protested that this section F, service charge and six cents per had not as yet been able to get 5 kilowatt hour. the power benefits which had ac- , . Should Work Both Ways. crued to western Ontario. . K" Mr. Casselman said he took the . , _trround that Government assistance . . a [should be available to farmers taking _ . ,service from reliable agencies other) l than the Hydro-electric Power Com- l mission. That was the intent of the , - bill that he wished to bring before __ i the House, but which might be ruled _-L--.---..--.-.....-......, Blur: out of order. ii' 'I, I Premier Drury said he was sym- iMembel' for Parry Sound it I pathetic to the bill. "It seems to . . , g " ime that, if it were to increase the Given Congratulations i use of electricity on the arm. R. R. Hall, Parry Sound, received r ' we should be prepared somehow or i! . other, it we can do it safely and the congratulations of the members properly, to extend it to any source of the Legislature yesterday upon . of electricity. At the eagle time. as the occasion of his sixty-fifth birth- 'l I have pointed out to t e member day. Thoughtful'friend , " _ for Dundas, this proposal needs a big bouquet of flowers a: hiaced a i good deal of study and considera- and much desk-thumpin 9 d95k' 5 tion. It wouidbe manifestly ip- his appearance. Mr. 'h"aPre,,eatte/1/ , proper and unfair to extend Provm- , . i'riitfit2l reference to the event, and' ' _ cial aid in any way that might accrue with e t e members for the good; " to the benefit, not of the users of the l' efs acciorded him. , ' ' electricity. but of a private compnnv e ore t e orders of the day were i 'fUrnishing it. There is the dlfffculty,e called, he said that the "bulky" re.. d _ ,,, . turn, that had re uir d the - " 7 I see in the wax q e com . ~ . . bined strength of two page boys to! t I Not Sure of Safeguard. Lift to 2t, tfable on Wednesday,' hadl - c", G can as . ' vt Mr. Casselman asked if his bill been surfplie'ar 1,7itlP,?i2,1,1.tmi,2ois, hid . ' " did: not safeguard this. Mr. Drurv on Y! q Pt - the Minister last session when he IW; lube wohltldtiinte to 1',te"dt'/e",p,'/'/g',' asked for it, he would not have had " I n outr a may e e Y ro to re use _ (Commission could step in. ' q 1'lL'.'ef.lutd.e1rtEt..turn. I . V © "An arrangement of that kind I . " do not think would be satisfactory; . _ in Dundas county," said Mr. Casset-i I , . . Iman, "because we 'believe-and I am! . q weighing carefully what I am say-) i E . ing-we believe the Hydro Commis- l _ Mon is extravagant, and we think that il Iprivate ownership down there in tho, . east is more emeieert and more eco-; . A . i nomical." . I Fi . Mr. Drury said he told Mr. Cassel- . At [ man that his ibill provided for Gov-, ! ' j ernment aid and would be out of; ii i order. Mr. Casselman had brought . ill the matter before the House, as he wished to go on record. Mr. Cassel- ' v, man replied to this that he would not, ' . have introduced the bill unless he thought the Government would get _ _ 3, I behind it. ' T , ' Hon, Mr, WWII "Gets In." . p I C The Conservative Leader then went ' l after the Government. The bill last . . ' _ year to provide for aid " rural Hydro 3 f, . distribution, he said. was Jammed . _ l "hromrt in the last hours of the ses- '. _ tsion. The Government then said, l What was all it could do. Now it was f i! am to.do more. Mr: Ferguson ' . t . ' i" . I F .'