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I Referring to the bill, Mr. Dewart 'stated there was nothing in It to :show the English River should be Iexeiuded from the Board of Con- Etrol. , Mr. Dewart endeavored to find the genesis of the whole thing in a "big pow-wow" in Winnipeg. The Premier (corrected him to state there was a conference in the offices of Premier -.\'orris in Winnipeg. and later, to an- iother suggestion from Mr. Dewart 3 that the bill should not be dealt with until the Meighen legislation was pe.. pealed by the Federal Government, jthe Premier said this assistance had '-, been given by Premier King. The Premier asked if the Govern- .ment was not recognized by its 'representatives on the board. Mr. Dewart described Hon. T. A. Crerar and Hon. A. B. Hudson. who had taken part In the Winnipeg con- ference. as enemies of the Province of Ontario. a. matter of the Premier fighting for the interests of the Province, but weakly succumbing to the opposi- tion," was Mr. Dewart's comment. Mr. Dewart declared the explana- tion was found in the desire of Win- nipeg power magnatea to force the Province of Ontario to develop stor- age plants in their interests. Robs Government of Power. Answering an interjection of the} Premier, Mr. Dewart declared the effect of the bill was to divest the Government of the power of dealing with the water powers of the Prov-, mce. Mr. Dewart referred to the legisla- tion passed by the Melghe-n Govern- ment, which. he stated. absolutely controlled the water powers of Manr. toba and Ontario and irtterpmtvtlneitt,1 water mowers, and. -ln touching upon a.nother phase of the situation. he pointed out that there was ten times more power on the Wirrnipeg River in Manitoba than in the Province of Ontario. Mr. Dewart insisted that the boa-rd appointed under the Privy Council decision which determined points disputed in the Meighen legis- lation never had the power to deal with the waterways of the English River. . Mr. Dewart read a newspaper re- port of the Premier's speech at a meeting last summer in Richmond Hill, in which the Premier complain- ed of the obstruction created by Mr. Dewart and Hon. Mr. Ferguson when the matter was before the House last "won. "Thus at was not, "Any regulation of the English River should take notice of the lower Winnipeg River." replied the Pre- mier. Proceeding. Mr. Dewar-t said the real issue was. Should Ontario con- trol its own water powers? There was no protection, he claimed, in the bill as it was before the House for the Province in this regard. and that it tuned to moving that! there would be no casting vote of! the fifth member of the ControlI Board. 1 Mr. Dewart charged the Premier; with attempting to beeloud the iiiiiiiii/ created by the bill with statementsi that the relations between the Do-l minion and the Province should not; be those of strife. Province Not Protected. I "YEDNESDAY. "UNE: 7, aiPllill's BILL I l 0N all FARES MEETS DEFEAT the men behind it appreciated "rirrfitst tho bill means. "If you pass this measure," he said, "any arrangement made bes tween a, municipality and _a com- pany, in so far as fare goes. is not worth the paper it is written on. It does more than ecrap agreements. It makes agreements as though they had never existed. The very mo- ment you make an agreement, before the ink has dried on the paper, it is killed by a. provision pt this Pill." 7 Mr. Nickle's brief speech in op- position to the measure was one of strongest condemnation of the pro- posal. He thought it only fair to Robert Cooper, Liberal member for Welland, the bill's sponsor. to state his conviction that Mr. Cooper had introduced the measure in the sin- cere belief that its effects would work benefits all round. Mr. Cooper was not, as he has taken the trou- ble to ascertain, he said. a, share- holder in the Dominion Power and Transmission Company of Hamilton. which had been mentioned in de- bate. SuppOrters of the bill included T. Marshall, Lincoln; J. A. Pinard, Liberal, East Ottawa; R. Cooper, Liberal, Welland. Each one stress- ed the fairness in adjudication of the Railway Board, its expert tech- nical knowledge, and experience, in connection with street railway en- terprise. _ 1 A _ House Refuses to Give Rail.. way Board Right to Fix Rates Makes Strong Condemnation. With the Government forces' votd irur solidly. in opposition. the Cooper bill, which sought to give the On- tario Railway Board power to raise and lower street railway fares, irre- spective of agreements entered into, has killed in Committee of the Whole House yesterday. Fourteen members supported the bill when the vote. was taken, but the oppon- ents were so obviously in the ma- Jority, they were not counted. All the Labor members in the House spoke and voted against the measure. All the Liberals, with the exception of J. IV. Curry (Southeast Toronto) stood up in favor. The Conservatives split in two sections, with w. F. Nickle, K.C. Kingston, the outstanding opponent from that party. NICKLE LEADS ATTACK The member for Kingston de- clared the measure would absolutely override municipal agreements and make it impossible to charge a fare until it had the approval of the On- tario Railway Board, even though the municipality and company had agreed upon a schedule. When Mr. Marshall objected to his utterances as exaggerations of actualities. Mr. Nickel said that was what was writ- ten in the bill, but he did not think Speakers in opposition included: J. W. Curry, G. G. Halcrow (East Hamilton), Mr. F. Nickle (Kingston), H. A. Stevenson (London), J. McNa- mara (Riverdale), Hon. Walter Rollo a.nd Hon. Harry Mills. All objected strenuously to the passago of legislation giving any body the power to "scrap existing agree. manta." When, in debate, Mr. Pinard pointed out that one ot the tltqtt steps Toronto took after taking over the street railway was to increase fares, Hon. Walter Rollo replied that it was obvious that the Transportation Commission was spending the in- creased revenuee tor the tMtttettt of the citizens of Toronto and the users of the railway. .