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"We have absolute faith in the Hydro-electric. Ive, know it will pay, and yet we know it means to this Province very,heavy obligations at 'the present time. The people of the 'Province must and will, l think. stand ttrmly behind the Hydro-Nor- ltric until such time as it, liquidatos lall its obligations, and I think that twill be in a very short time." The Government, he said, must immediately think out the question orTr& N. O. branch lines. Amid applause from Northern Ontario members sitting behind him, he do- clared his belief in the necessity of making immediate surveys and in- dicating an intention of going ahead at once with necessary branch lines a--even it the James Bay extension givers mot at once proceeded with. Ontario should not retard Northern Ontario development by. refusing these necessary extensions. If the Government would not build branch lines, he said. "we should and must a get out of the way so that that coun- try shall have its just desserts." As to Education., After nearing some tributes to the endeavors of the present Minister of Agriculture along the linen of or- ganization iti agriculture, Mr. Hay delved for a time into the matter lot freight rates, and declared that existing-rates on Canadian roads re- sulted in discrimination against Canadian industry to an extent that the people of the nation hardly re- alized. He referred to a $14.43 per hundred pounds discrimination on wheat in favor of flour, which was hut-Stu] to agriculture. and went on to, cal with "comparative conditions from Un.ited, States ports to United 'Kingdom ports. A revision of freight rates was necessary, he declared, even to the extent of reducing rev- enue on our national lines. " He entirely disagreed with the Government's venture into the .bank- "in: field, predicting trouble ahead in "that connection. Government JEotttm was costing the people either too little or too much. He had a little homely comment upon education and last year's $10,- '000l00.-0 expenditures and wondered if the present system had advanced 510,000,000 worth. or any portion of "that amount. beyond the system of .1893, which. earned world recogni- tion. If present lavish expenditure had brought advance, he had no re- grets. he said. He was not so sure -"that. the highly trained men we have today gave us tremendously better service than we had in the old days," and. in passing. he comment- ed that "a. seven-month year in On- taro. is not long enough to work. Some day we will have to recast so that we will not have so many holi- days." ( " the Government were txpetiep'c- ing ditneulties"itt Hydriadminlstia- tion at the present time, he remind- ed that they had had it in their powor to reconstitute the commission. "Municipalities,"'he declared, "who .qre-responsibie for the obligation. and hunt be finally if there is a deficit, ought to have more to say in the. ad- ministration of the affairs of the Hydro Commission. What the people of this Province want and expect from the present Government, and any succeeding Government, is that we shall have a final clean-up with the Hydro-electric so far as western Ontario is concerned, and we view with a great deal of concern devel- opment of further water powers in eastern Ontario. l Faith in Hydro. He offered some rather serious criticism 'of Government bond flo- muons. Freight Rates. "In another aside 'on finance be quoted th'blper captta debt charges of the prenm*'day as $81.67. as com- pu'ed'wlth 336.70.111 1918 and 1919, and 32.60 111-2903, under the Lib- eral Governments , _ T ___ T .' c" . A . _ ' ide 'on finance he 1 Bantu} _di'_b_t charges' "Our Interview waa highly satis- factory in ita results," was Premier Drury'e comment immediately after the conference. J. B. Challlea. Di- grector ot the Water Power Branch !ot the Department ot the Interior zhere. Was also In attendance. Liberal private members. includ- ing J. C. Ramsden, Sam Clarke and Gustave Evanturel. intervened in the debate with some indignation. say- ing that it was contrary to custom for a private member to come on between the speeches of the Leaders, and intimated that private members. in order to have the debate wound up, had waived their right to speak in favor of their respective Leaders. Mr. Evanturel said bluntly that if the debate were to he reopened hy Mr. Hicks, "we are entitled to take a part ir. it." But to the surprise of everybody. following Mr. Bay's speech. Hon. Manning Doherty adjourned the de- bate on behalf of Mr. Hicks. This brought inquiries from Hon. G. Howard Ferguson, and a declaration from Mr. Hay that when be spoke yesterday he had no thought in his mind that he was taking the place of Mr. Hicks and that the latter was to follow him. my Tr. c. mums.) (thtafr Correspondent of The Globe.) Ottawa, April 10. -- Ontario's control and direction of the develop- ment of the water powers in that Province, in excess of those water powers required for purposes of navigation, will not be intertertd with by the Dominion Government. That assurance. it is understood. was given by the Prime Minister this afternoon in an interview with Pre- mier Ernest C. Drury and Hon. W. E. Raney, Attorney-General of On- tario. 'n the House that the debate was to end on Wednesday with the speeches ot the three Leadrs. Mon- day night the Premier asked Mr. Hay it he was ready to go on yes- terday, and Mr. Hay said he was, and actually did go on. When the debate was adjourned last week it Was adjourned on be- half of Mr. Hicks, who was to re-, sume yesterday. He was not able; to be present yesterday. Meanwhile,; apparently, an arrangement had, been made among the three Leaders, ASSURANCES ARE GIVEN Drury and Haney Journey to Ottawa to Press Pro- vincial Rights Following tho speech of F. Wel- llngton Hay, Liberal Leader, yester- day in the Legislature, a controversy arose as to who was to be the next speaker. and as to why Mr. Hay spoke instead of Andrew Hicks, the U.F.O. Whip, and resulted in Lib- eral members saying frankly among themselves that it Mr. Hicks resum- ed the debate today the Budget dis- cusslon would not end for another two weeks. H - Adjournment for Whip After Leader's Address Angers we Liberals F HICKS SPEAKS An Eye on U. B. Jurttmttom. l More than one scheme for the de.i velopment of water power on the, St. Lawrence River for United States; consumption in largely responsible for the visit here today by Premier' Drury and Mr. Raney, and the issue"; at stake affects practically every: Province in the Dominion, inas-i, much as it involves, or is affected' by interpretation or the British North America Act. On February! 26 last there was a debate in the} House of Commons on a resolution, in the name of Homes Delauriers: (Liberal, St. Mary's) calling for', the imposition of a prohibitive duty' on the exportation of water power from Canada. The attitude of the Dominion Government, as expressed that day by Hon. James A. Robb and by Hon. George P. Graham, has also attracted attention in Queen's Park. What those two Federal Ministers then said servwi materially to clear the air, and to- day's visit was for the purpose of obtaining "first hand" from the Federal Government assurance that the views expressed on February 26 will be carried into policy. Regard for Provinces. Premier Drury and Mr. Raney left on the afternoon train for Mon. treal, where they saw Sir Henry Thornton about lower railway rates on coal from Alberta. Premier Drury was reluctant to disclose what was said in today's in- terview. but he admitted that the general water-power situation was reviewed, also the interpretation ot the British North America Act as to the division of authority among the Provinces. "This question." he said, "obviously involves that of develop- ment of power on the St. Lawrence, but it has nothing to do with the pending treaty between Canada and the United States regarding control of water power." In a fuller statement, Hon. Mr. Graham made plain the attitude of the Federal Government toward the rights of Ontario in the develop- ment ot power in the St. Lawrence, and it was for an elaboration ot this, it 16 understood, that Premier Drury came to Ottawa today. Mr. Graham said, in part, as follows: "As to the St. Lawrence develop- ment, when that takes place, if it does, it will probably be of an inter- national character, and several in- terests would have to be considered: First. the Province of Ontario, which claims ownership of the water, I think with some reason; the State ot New York is interested. this being an international proposition; the Federal Government of Canada is likewise interested, this being an in- ternational Proposition-but, as I understand the matter, whatever the Federal Government of Canada might do under the circumstances would be in reference to improve. ment of navigation and the handling of water power would be in the hands of the Province of Ontario." ri Lt