The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 3 May 1923, p. 4

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Niow, in Justice to-himult-and the omee that he holds. to makes pub- lie apoiocy canine; It he did make that ,tt"ty"rttt..' "I- were! troutsy" to you, Mr. Speaker: and it is common knowledge, that things that'went On in the caucus appeared in the public Press before the caucus ever was held. Ivhere the leak came Item I do not know. I: want to ten you. Mr. Speaker. this .House and the Province of orttario,-tr the Prime Minister accuses, the of that he _ is saying something _that is not true. I am going to ask you Inow, Mr. Pr.ime. Minister. did you make thay statement and do you laccuse me ot ttaat?--HHere. Mr. iDrury laughed.)----') laugh -wi11 come off your face.in a very short time. Mr. Prime Minister, I want to !eorroborate, without giving away {any secrets-what the member. tor South Huronusays with reference to lthe notice I got of this particular icaucus. My notice did come days miter the rest ot the members on that side of the House got their notices. V - ' Mr. Caseselmtrtt---And it that is not a reasonable course. I want to,.know what is.an honorable course. Can the Prime Minister .orthe Govern, ment or any man say to me that It a man who was elected an Independ- out man. must answer the crack ot the party Whip, whether I believe in the policy the Government is follow- ing or not? If they think that is the sort of trovernment'we ought to have in this Province,' I am the wrong man to be in this Legislature. If the Prime' Minister made the statement that he is credited' with; with reference to me. giving away State secrets or caucus secrete. I ask him now, and demand that he should apologize. . Mr. Drurv--t have .nothing to say. A _' -' _ '_ - _ Mr. Casselman---And the reason] given--'his is not a Mate tteCret--1 asked the. Chairman of that caucus why it was that my notice did' not reach me and was not dated the same as the other notices. and the Prime Minister. then undertook to answer the question I asked the Chairman. and he said it must have been an oversight of his secretary. Honorable Memhertr--A9tt, ho.' Mr. Casseiman - Neither the. Prime Minister nor any Cabinet: Minister can say that at any time when I brought a matter before the) House that was at variance with the' Government that I did not go t1rst to the Ministers and tell them. let that not true, MruPrime Minister? Mr. Drury-Quite true. An Ova-sight orseeretarri Again one of these conferences between party leaders resulted in a legislative fiatrco in the House last night. This time the Gov- ernment received much the worst ot it, and the amendment to the Highways Act, intended to relieve' the municipalities from all obliga-l tion in connection with Provincial! highways, will be withdrawn. The' bill was thrown to the House for second reading as soon as the even- ing session began. Immediately Mr. Ferguson was on his feet with a protest. He recited that the Premier, Liberal Leader Hay and himself had a conference over this measure. The Premier, he said, had stated there would be another conference. Mr. Ferguson claimed this meant another conference be- tween the three Leaders, while the Premier alleged his intention was to have a conference with his Cabinet. The same kind ot misunderstand» ings have arisen so many times' this session that one wonders it the ' three Leaders ever met and depart-; ed with the same ideas in mind, y So many conferences have resulted:, g in ugly quarrels afterward, the'5 suggestion might be considered. that hereafter the decisions be put' , in writing, and four copies made,) _ one for each Leader and one for} ', Mr. Speaker. ' I Seldom has Mr. Ferguson appear-i ed as angry as when he protested': against the bill after the Premier) had promised another conference! ot Leaders. He characterized the! measure as 'a piece of pre-electioni propaganda. A gentleman's agree- ment had..been deliberately violatc; ed, he said, and he intended see-I ing to it as to what his conrsei would.be for the balance of the'l session. He claimed the Premier', had made reckless violations of an! undertakings. Again he talked of} a "test ot endurance," just as he did when the redistribution mea- sures were brought in. "I have conceded everything I am going to concede," he added. "The Prime Minister treats us with disdain, dis- regard and contempt." Talk for a. Fortnight. Ttie OBSERVEI IN QUEEN'S PARgE; Mr. Nickle came to Mr. Fergu- son's help'by telling the Govern- ment there was not the slightest chance ot adjournment before a fortnight it the bill were pressed. Hon. Mr. Bigge was entering upon a long discourse of the merits of the bill, when Col. J. A. Currie drew tho Speaker's attention to the fact that this bill put a charge on the Province, and could not be brought into the House without a previous resolution. The Speaker said such was a- standing rule. - "ii-"755mm going to withdraw the bill," interjeqtgd Mr. Biggq. Another debate ensued as to whether the bill entailed a public charge or not, but the Speaker re- served his decision. -KGG/ii1e members were tttsk- ing how party Leaders could agree in conference and then disagree afterward. ' Andy Was Outguessed. Andrew Hicks, former U.F.O. Whip, had his say in the House yesterday morning, and the general verdict was that Andy's perform- ance was grossly over-advertised. To be brief, he did not tell very much, though he took a lot ot words to say'it. He related his side of the story. or part of it, ot a UFO. caucus at which Premier Drury had mentioned a desire to go to Ottawa to join Premier King's Cabinet. Also, he related Decisions in Writing. "how W. H. Caseelman had not re- ceiveil, the UFO. caucus notice, be- cause the Premier thought Mr. Casselman let out the secrets ot the caucus. The Premier half- apologized to Mr. Casselman tor this suspicion, intimating that he felt he knew now who let the news Ron. Beulah Without Help. For once Mr. Drury did not allow careless words to lead him into trouble. Mr. Hicks was non- plussed, and his aims practically defeated, because the Premier re- fused to rise to his bait. And so the latest threatened explosion made no more noise than an ordi- nary speech from the moat innuen- sive back-bencher. Andy Hicks is temporarily in eclipse. and his tMyrNr- ices will not be greatly in demand on (LEO. platforms during this campaign. It looked as though the former Whip was outguessed in House tactics and in a little political game. Obviously, he did not come out with all that he had intended. It seemed as though he had some- thing in his pocket or on his mind which he did not care to make pub- lic unleqs provoked. He evidently expected that this provocation would come trom the Premier him- self, but the latter was discreetly and prudently silent. out. Another outstanding incident of! yesterday occurred when Hon. Beulah Bowman attempted to gen through some of his main esti- mates. The Conservative ginger group, in the absence of Mr. Fergu- son. busied themselves in asking :he Minister all manner of ques-' lions. Mr. Bowman had few I"; tails in his mind He did consult' his deputies several times, but mostly his answers were to the effect that he did not have the facts at hand. "The Minister tries to squirm out of it," commented Col. Currie, adding that "any man ot ordinary intelligence could tell," and much more along the same line. The Minister was helpless, and none ot the Government leaders was in the House to lend him aid. me was forced to let several votes ;stand over, promising to bring ldown details. Sam Clarke (Lib- legal, West Northumberland) ad- !ministered a rebuke to Col. Currie: "'No man in this House has the nerve of the member tor Southeast Toronto. If he had as much brains as nerve he would be a very valu- able member. He wants to talk all the time. We are dead sick ot it." Motion of Want of confidence. Shortly after 9 o'elock an at-: tempt was made to get the Houae) into supply. when Hartley Dewart. seconded by George Halcrow. moved an amendment to the effect that the Legislature disapproved ot allowing the Gregory Commission to continue work between dissolu-. tion and the election. Several speeches were made, when the Pre- mier tried to strike a bargain with Mr. Dewart. "I do not wish to make any political capital. 1' want to tight fairly," said the Premier. "Atter the House dissolves I will see that the Gregory Commission does not make any reports until the election is over. I will undertake that the' commission shall not make any re- ports between the date of dissolu- tion and the date of the election." Mr. Dewart tried to get a. sus- pension ot activities of the com- mission tor the same period, but the Premier would' not concede this point, claiming it would not con- duce to efficiency. iirrriergutsorf had another

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