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are (my msmuauons which tirirCB6" answered if I live a year before I dle"---Sir Adam commented upon the fact that the Gregory Commission- ers had conceded that the Hydro Commissioners were not being over- pgid. - i " suppose," he said, "that means we are not getting enough." Premier -roertruson---That means you were not getting as much as they got. . - A - . He had too much respect for him, he said, to believe that Hon. Mr. Carmichael had prompted himself to make the statements credited to him on the floor of the House in 1922. as to the "dishonesty or inefficiency" of the Hydro Commission, adding: "Where it came from." he said, "he knows better than I do." Sir Adam, in commenting upon the attitude and actions of the late Government, stated that if that Ad- ministration had remained in power much longer it was doubtful if Hydro could have survived other than as a Government department. Sharp Exchanges With Doherty. "There was a time," he said. "when I was looked upon as a pos- sible member of that Government. but after these revelations. if I have one thing more than another to be {tbhankful for, it is that I did not ite." Sir Adam-When you and Mr. Fraser came to my house and asked me to go to the country with you, do you say I bit at the hook. Mr. Doherty---" do. After further exchange. Sir Adam peremptorily exclaimed: "Don't sidestep the real issue when you are the real culprit. You are absolutely dishonest if you say I was nibbling for a hook." Mr. Doherty-Might I remind my hon. friend that he bit as hard as he could. but the hook was ctaken away from him. Mr. Doherty----' will allow my hon. friend to go a long way, but when he comes to say anything about my being dishonest, then he is just overstepping the mark. For myself, my reputation in this House will stand alongside his. There has never been an action in my public or private life on which I was not able to face my fellowmen. But I am tob much of a gentleman to break con- fldenee even to meet you, which I cogd dtwith the greatest of ease. Sir Adam-tid I leave my chair when Mr. Fraser and you came with seven gentlemen to my home, to ask me to Join the Government? Did I show any sign of Joining you in any wear? ' Mr. Daherty---weH, you were bit- ing pretty hard just the same. Mr Adam-welt it is your own fureral, ygu are attending. not mine. Mr. boherivL-rriiGGreu" -tricii the truth I could tell about the spring you nuylt to get hold of it. Sir Adurn--we11, I am glad the few remarks which 1 made about you brought some life into you. Mr. Doherty's Funeral. The controversy across the floor broke out again with renewed vigor a moment later, when Sir Adam stated that he "was not born yes- terday." even at the time when he was offered the U.F.O. leadership. Mr. Doherty-More than that. It would be very interesting for the public to know what you said about some of your friends swung right. alongsldo of you. see tit. You cannot get from under anyway, because I didn't Join you. I waned my time. and here we are. You have your answer as no other Government ever had in the history of this Province. ' Stuck With the Ship. Sh: Adam-is, and you my re- peatmtharg in public whgnever you Returning to the subject of the Matches! resignation. Sir Adam S95. h" oiasav::lak , AP atf Nlpigon's early over-development, he said. was directly creditable to lthe old Government, when they com- pelled a rush schedule to make , power available for the Great Lakes Company, who were only compelled to commence construction when power was available. The new Goy- ernment, he said. had been instru- mental in securing new power cus- tomers to an extent that Nlplgon was already oversold. accused the old Government of play- ing politics with the Great Lakes contract and with the Hydro situ- ation at the Head of the Lakes. It had literally forced a contract through the Hydro Commissior through the medium of its two up- pointees. George Ramsden and Hon. Dougal Carmichael. and. in spite of all the contentions of the old Gov- ernment, the present Prime Minister was the only man who had had the courage to tell the Great Lakes they were in default on their contract. and they had to sign a new power agreement which would do justice to Port Arthur. TthmMed bu suspicion that it was prompted by a desire to precipitate his own resignation. He, together with the Hydro staff, however. had decided to stick with the ship. and whether it was from lack of courage or from political discretion. the old Government had not asked for his resignation. The damning part of the old Government's criti1.iinm, he said. was in the report of their own Greg- nry Cotartniss"ton. "We will go along-smoothly from now on." he said. "At least. we have no fear that you win ever trouble us again." 'Mr. Doherty---Don't be too sure about that. Sir Adam commented that recent revelations in connection with Prov- ince of Ontario fina,nces had been "unpleasant to all of us." M r. Doherty-Oh, no. Sir Adam-Well, then. you have a thicker skin than I thought you had. Dealing with mention in the Gregory report of increases in sal- aries to the members of the Hydro Commission and its omcia.ls through the medium of the Ontario Power ,Company. Sir Adam said that every istep in that direction was taken with (the knowledge and approval of the I Government. The Gregory Commis- 'é sion, he said. had not been autficient- 'ly fair to point out that he had de- (voted ten years' work to Hydro (groundwork without remuneration lor_fvf?n expenses. Taking up the much-discussed Great Lakes Pulp & Paper contract and the Nipigon situation, Sir Adam Former Premier Drury he accused of being a, man who preached public ownership and attacked public own- ership in the same breath. He had got his answer in the last election from the people of London. he said. and also from the people of Halton, in respect to his destruction of the Hydro-Radial project. Niplgon Development. Following Sir Adam, Hon. Dougal Carmichael. former Power Commis- sioner under' the Drury Government, made a semi-apology for a previous use of the word "dishonest." "If I offended anyone, I am very sorry." he said. "It was a matter of great import to both the Province and to the Commission. I was by no means speaking of the Commission alone. but I still feel that the Com- mission did not deal with the public as it should have." Hon. Mr. Carmichael was disposed to quarrel with Sir Adam on the matter of the Government grants toward the construction of power lines. "Class Legislation." "i was glad to hear the Chairman of the Commission make reference to these grants," he said, "because I am told that during the last elec- tion campaign he referred dispar- ugingly to the aforesaid grants as 'class legislation,' and used them to attack the Drury Government." Continuing. Mr. barmichael read extensively trom the Gregory report Quotes Gregory Report atralgnuorward denial Adam, coupled with the that Alex. Lewis that it Was ti; Conservative group in the h that the grant had been re. the proposed 33 l-t per ce tlit per cent. incorporated in hill, was the fire that the Power Commissioner drew. "I have not the informal sire before me at the pres ment," was Mr. Carmichael "hut I am sure that the r :.wmhers are inaccurate statements." "Evidently there was a. tendency that Hydro estimates should be ex- ceeded. It happened on the Nlpigon; .0" the Chippawa in the construc- l tion of the third pipeline, away back {in 1903." he said. There should have been frank dis- cussion with the Government, he said, in such expenditures as the $11,000 spent in 1923 for campaign purposes. He protested against that at the time. he said. Col. Carmichael asked if it was Sir Adam's opinion that Niagara's scenic beauty ought to be tracaniticed to further diversion of water. Sir Adaun reminded him that there were recommendations from United States scarves for further develop- ment. and OnWio desired the Unit- ed States to make the advances for further water diversion. Hydro estimates totalling 822.- 090,000 were all carried. and the House went into public buildings estimates. Mr. Dohemy,' aft'e'r Vishing Sir Adam a "blissful solourn" with his new party, received an affirmative answer to a, question as to whether a certain $100,000 in the estimates was to pay for investigations into a second Chippawa Canal. St. Lawrence Development. Estimates All Carried. The House adjourned at 11 o'clock, with all the estimates but one item carried. Discuasin'g a. $1,tr00,000 item for St. Lawrence development, Premier Ferguson said that all the Govern- ment had on that item was "hope." There was no information as to whether the Federal Government would approve the Morris,burtr plans. in its various criticisms, and re- marked: "'I still maintain," he said, "that any statements I made in the House in 1922 in regard to increased costs of Chippawa were fully justified. Perhaps I ought not to have used such harsh words, and if 1 have of- fety.itd.?ry'bt?ds' I tapologize." ptraightforward that the former ner drew. information I de- the present mo- .arrttlehaeps, retort. hat the honorahlo m the statement by it was due to the p in the last House 1 been raised from " per cent. to, the in their the £165 former by Sir