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The committee then discussed at length a suggestion by Mr. Curric that a subcommittee or the Chair-- man and Mr. Clarkson go to Mr. Haney and get an affidavit on the matter of the $25,000 cheque. Mr. Sinclair pointéd out that a declara-- tion of that kind was of no -- use, and that you could not produce it in --any court without a cross--exam-- ination. If Mr. Haney could not be cross--examined, certainly his evi-- dence in chief could not be taken. Chairman Finlayson said that he would not undertake to force him-- gelf in on a sick man, and Mr. Belan-- ger said it would only be asking a sick man to swear whether ho was guilty of conspiracy. Mr. Currie--]Jt is very important for Mr. Haney that he should clear this up because if he doesn't he will have --Mr. Clarkson after his estate. As far as the credibility of the two men, Mason and Haney, 1. would know which one to believe. Mr. McKeown--Mr. Sinclair knows very well we have been going on taking evidence that would never be taken in a court if a man were in the box. We are not trying anyone here. We want information any way it comes. It was agreed at this stage that Mr. Clarkson and Mr. Finlayson should go to see Mr. Haney, and, if possible, get his statement, and im-- mediately after the committee passed a resolution, on motion -- of Mr. Graves, to instruct Mr. Clark-- son to examine any account of the },'?te .[. Cpoper Mason in the Gentral Canada Loan and Savings Company, and report back to the committee Q..----Are there other transactions where you could say Mason took out money? A.--There are transactions where he took moneys out of the bank, but not in the way of legals and T have looked over for a number of years, and I don't find any more -:;ansactlons involving legals in em. today. Mr. Sinclair--Were there any transactions of a similar nature prior to Sept. 238 or along there, 1919? A.--No; Mr. Nash can give you that evidence. T asked for a statement of all the trans-- tactions and the statement owe filed here are all the transac-- tions. There is one other trans-- action which I did not report., In June, 1919, a cheque was cashed for $10,000 and the money taken up to Mason's home in $100 bills. Nine of these went into his account in the loan company. The other ninety have disappeared. Q.--That is, the Central Canada Loan? A.--Mason had an account in the Central Canada. Subcommittee to See Haney. Q.--It is continuing? A.--It is continuing. We are going through papers all the time on different mat-- ters. Tracing Legal Tender. Q.--Have you made every effort, Mr. Clarkson, to find out where this Mason cheque of $15,000 would like-- ly go? A.--I have made every ef-- fort, but you can quite understand there is an enormous vyolume of papers in this bank over twenty or thirty -- years. We -- have -- looked through a lot of them; looked in every place where we think it might be. We haven't found it. It might turn up some day--it might not. Chairman Finlayson--Some mem-- bers of the committee seem to think that there is some mysterious way by which it is possible to trace these legal tender? A.--If you subpoena every bank in the country and have them produce their deposit slips un-- til you run across the deposits in le-- gals, and then sift that down--but vyou know how many banks and branches there are in this Province. They don't keep records of the num-- bers of legals. M. M. MacBride--And you would have nothing definite then? A.-- You would have to prove the deposit of these legals came from this source. Sunk Without Trace. lutely. £0 through papers that might be personal. Q.--You have possession of them ? A.--I have possession of them, abso-- lhv.rsci&" APCL--I. l'zf: as to that day. day? A.--Yes; I would not swear _Q.--Did you see the $25000, or any package that would indicate that? A.----No, sir. Q.--You did not see any velope? _ A.--No. Q.--Mason told you $25,000 was going to the Parliament Buildings that day"? A------Ye®R © ------ _ _ _Q.--What do you remember he did tell you? hy 5 ~..5 W'Qi.---.A:nd what else did he tell you in connection with that? A.--He told me a great many things. _ h _ Mr. McCrea--Were these instruc-- tions in connection with this trans-- action ? _ Mr. Sinclair--Apparently they were pretty close to It. . _ -- _ _Mr. McCrea----Not just rumor or hearsay? Going By Mr. Haney. Mr. Sinclair--What did Mason say to you? A.--He said $25,-- 000 is going to the Parliament Buildings. _ e e e o e Q.--He told you it was going in legals to the Parliament Buildings? A.--Yes. Q.--Did you see Mr. Haney that Q.----And Mr. Haney was then --what officer of the bank was bhe? A..----He was President. Q.--And that this money was going to the Parliament Build-- ings in the hands of the Presi-- dent of the bank? A.--Yes. Mr. Sinclair--What else did_ you hear from Col. Mason" A.--What do you want to know ? Q.--Well, about this very trans-- action; I don't want to lead you. Mr. Curric (to witness)--Go ahead and tell your story and stop chewing Q.--Do you kngw anything about that? A.--As I told Mr. Clarkson, on thinking back over the cireum-- stances, Col, Mason told me that it guim. Mr. Sinclair--What else? A.---- Nothing beyond that. _ > % Mr. Sinclair--You have read the evidence in the paper about the $25,-- 000 item _ being paid out by the Home Bank on Sept. 23, 1919? A. ----Y¥ eg, was going to the Parliament BRuild-- ings by Mr. Haney. Q.----What was going? A.--The $25,000 in legals. J. C. Whittaker, former super-- visor of the bank, was recalled, and he said that any information he would have about the Home Bank four million--dollar Government loan would come--through Mr. Mason. sank supervisor's Story. Q.--Did you see Mr. Haney whout the bank that day? A.----I cannot swear now that he was there on that day. * ' Q.--And you cannot tell the com-- mittee whether he left for the Par-- liament Buildings or not? Is there anything else in connection with this 8;.'5,020 matter that you heard at that time? Mr. Sinclair--I am asking if there was anything else Mason told you about the: transaction? A.--Mr. Mason told me what I have already said, casually, as gossip. Want's Magon's Language. _ _Mr. McCrea--Do you mean rumor, or that Mason said to him? . _ _ Q@.--Did he tell you anything more? A.--I cannot recollect. _ __Q.--Where were you when he told you this? .A.--In my own offlce.' f Provincial Treagurer Price drew from the witness statements that when he was previously before the committee he had not given the in-- formation he hed since given to Mr. Clarkson and the committee. Q.--I want to get from you what-- ever Col. Mason told you that day in relation to the $25,000. Now, you cannot think of anything else than that? A.--No. (Q--Dl_d 'ybru, get any further information from any other person in the bank about it? A.--No. --Mr. Price--You didn't tell me that? A.--No. Q.--What did be say as to how it was going to the build-- ings? A.--It was going to the buildings by Mr. Haney. that day. Q.--Did he tell you how it was going to go? A,..----Yes. _ that day? A.--On _ _Q.--aAll right; now we are getting on common ground, Q.--wWas Cooper Mason in the habit of telling truths all the time. Was ho a reliable man when he told stories around the bank? A.---- No. Q.--Would it be N4 was putting that to I count that he would b to somebody up in the Buildings? Mr. Sinclair----Get t1 we must educate you y we are going to do St 14 ter.) Mr. Currie----Well. I h as much law as you \ (Laughter.)' in Q.----You haven't disclosed this to anybody except Mr. Nash. Did Mr. McGarry know anything about it? A.----No. Mason's Veracity, =----No. Q.----Was there anybody from The Globe office interviewing you? A.-- No. ; Q.--1I didn't know anything about it, so I could not have brought it before tMis committee? 'That is quite right? A.--That is true. Q.--And just what was it brought it back to your mind? A.--Inspector Greer asked me if tha hanlt ho s _ Mr. Curric--You weren't down at The Globe office telling them about it, were you? A.----No, gir. Q.--You were not telling anybody in this committee? A.--No. Q.----How did it get out hore that Mr. Sinclair (the Liberal Leader) knew all about it, and they sub-- poenaed you here? A.--L don't know. Q.--You muset have some idea, Mr. Sinclair--Do you think I know anything? Mr. Currie----Well, you are a pretty good mind--reader. Mr. Currie----You tolid Mr. Greer? A.--No, sir. Q@..--Did you tell Mr. Clarkeon? Whom did you tell? A.--Major Nash of the Clarkson firm. W rbabinOR tds ic c iA s 254 . ts s 2 chauffeur. He asked me if Colonel Mason had a chauffeur, and I ;s:rxidl no, that the bank had one and that| the bank -- chauffeur occasionally drove Mr Haney. And I started to| think back in connsction with it, and I remembered that the bank car was driven that day on Mr. Haney's busi-- ness. Mr. Price--For the information of the committee I had information that the chauffeur might know something about this transaction, and 1 have placed it in the hands of the police, and they have tried to get that. Q@Q.--And you had no instructions from the General Manager about this? A.--None. Mr. Currie--You didn't remember that when you were here before? A.----I--did not. Chauffeur Now in California Mr. Currie--Has anybody clse spoken to you about this except of-- ficers of the Crown? A.--No, Q.--Now, Did Mr. Greer get in touch with the chauffeur. A.--The chauffeur is in California. Mr. Currie--Aro you eure didn't? A.----I am looking at directly and telling you I didn't. Did Not Tell The Globe. h. 4 SE toeing and iooking LNrONBRN® . ~"~_ holes all the time? A.----Not in my department. Q.--However, your curiosity was a little unsatisfied until Mr. Mason tola you this gtory. Was that right? A.--No. _Bue--NU:-- . ua aash out of Fight:. A.~~41°> Q.--Who drew the cash out the -- teller's office? A«----ft know. that $25,000 h Mason told me. PVE GVHETRCTCC s ABBPioh Q.--That was his it. wasn't it? A-- en sA o 0 s ee it, wasn't it? A..----Yes. Q..--You were told to keep out of this room this morning, and still you come back; do you think you wWere being fair to the-co-mmitt-ee? A.. -- --_Q..--Did you _ money? A.--Yes. Q.--None of their reporters? A. ------¥ OU And did you know they were it be natpg'al if Mason 1 you know that day had gone out? -- A.--~ s. a« his explanation of ind? A.--Inspector if the bank had a to his own: 4C id be bhanding it the --Parliament I have forgotten 1 ever knew. the facts; if right. (Laugh-- ; were all'tiD-" through . key-- | A.--Not in my | any r :: of that out of I don't vyou vou ta> i ty