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Gi CAI fiiit] -- --".-_. yunvnuiac Ito members occupying their own seats. Mr. McCausIand. who was at lthe moment sitting behind the fTreasury benches, thereupon crossed 'the floor, resumed his own seat, and promptly arose with his third query of Mr. Clarke: "Are you in favor of 5 per Cent. beer?" Proceeding, Mr. Clarke twitted the Attorney-General with having travelled "from Dan to Beersheba" in his speech the night previous, "to try to bolster up the people be, , hind him and convince the people of this country that this Government had not betrayed the people by changing this law after the people had voted upon it." The Liberal member, however, proceeded to say that he would sooner a thousand times have 5 per cent. beer in Ontario than Gov- ernment control, under which every municipality would have a liquor shOp inttieted upon it. Twits attorner-Generat. He derided the argument of Mr, Nickle that 4.4 per cent. beer was "No," said Mr. Clarke. "Not un- der present conditions, when you have the vote of the people sustain- ing the Ontario Temperance Act." When J. A. McCausland. Consere. vatlve member for Southwest To.. ronto. interrupted for the fourth or fifth time. Speaker Thompson arose to declare. with some vigor, that these "eternal interruptions" from members had to cease. Such tactics, said Hon. Mr. Thompson, were be.. neath the dignity of the Legislature. and he would insist not only that members confine themselves to questions, but that they observe the rule which restricts that privilege tn -hes- A""'-_'_' A- . Speaker Takes a - -_.N.' P "You would have sight better if you Province 5 per cent agn." said Mr. Clap] Ferguson. "You a] mess now." "new more about than he did of l Hydro-the Liberal member said f that, while last year he had told the! House he would give the Province'; 5 per cent. beer it he were Premier, he could not now endorse such a policy, in view of the sustainlnnv no pullcy, In View of the sustaining of the O.T.A. out the polls. "You would have done a mighty sight better if you had given the Province 5 per cent. beer a year ago." said Mr. Clarke to Premier Ferguson. "You are in an awful mess now ., Coming to the question of the pro- .pnsed 4.4 per cent. beer-an issue which, Mr. Clarke said, he perhaps knew more about than he did of Ifydro--the Liberal h1AmI-un- ..-g" I The member for Northumberland spent some. time reviewing the evi- Genre and the findings affecting the Insurance department of the Hydro, presided over by Hon. I. B. Lucas, and emphasized the salaries drawn by Mr. Lucas. his sons, and the law- ver, Evans, who were either in the Hydro or with the Municipal Under- writers, the concern formed to handle Hydro insurance. He won- dered why all this legal talent of the Lucas family was unable to draft a charter for the underwriters with- out paying the Hearst legal firm some hundreds of dollars as a re-j miner. Me"eme ---6r%'_ uuu HEEL of public men were not infallible, and that officials in high office In his; institutions were apt to take it for granted that they owned the business. ' Mr. Clarke commenced to question the propriety ot releasing to the pub- llc. only parts of the Settell letter. but professed himself agreeably sur- prised to learn that the whole. of the letter had been handed to Com- missioner Snlder for his own ttelecs tion of those portions upon which charges were to be based. Comment on Hydro Insulation. After Paying the usual compil- ments to the new members and testi- fying to his high regard for the late 1.yrentuicii'r1ii, Sam Clarke. Lib- eral member for Nyftrumhe%Gli, went on to discuss Hydro matters, particularly those arising out ot the Snider investigation. Much as Mr. Clarke respected Sir Adam Beck, he believed that one or two of the find- ings of the Commissioner had dem- onstrated that the biggest and best of "IIRIIA ----- "gem Hydro Arum. any the usual compli- y new members, and teati- high regard for the late Arms. Sam Clarke, Lib.. r for Ny_rthumhdrtand, '3 Hydro matters, arising out ot the m. Much as Mr. ir Adam Beck, he mmAa\( t F'"-"2'lto. (9113 '""l you, ( ain-1 ll While he was sincerely the Public Accounts Com: _ not completed that portion :last year, he did not hold iman or the committee responsible for it. Comm obviously unfavorable. he the clean-up that was so t R. H. 'cdrnii-ricar'r"e'aiat. coin) adjourned the debate matter or Home Bank commissions on the 1919 $4,000,000 Provmce of Ontario loan. some of which money had been reported in evidence to have left for the Parliament Bulld- ings. Much as he regretted that there were former public servants now languishing on milk without porridge in the Kingston "summer resort," he felt that it there were, others who ought to Join them the Legislature should do its dutv ,ships, he believed, were 50 per' cent. drier today than they were a. year or two ago. Mr. Nickle, he believed. had missed the chance of a lifetime to make himself the man above all men in the Prov- ince. A few more $1,000 fines, with jail for the lyootletrgdrs, and, Mr. Clarke thought. Ontario would have been cleaned up in five years. He twitted the Conservative morn- ing newspaper which had said that this beer would nheer but not in- ebriate. Mr. Clarke said that in his experience the cheering nearly al- ways indicated inebriation. Agnes With His Leader. , With his leader, Mr. Sinclair. Mr.: Clarke thought that the onus rested upon the Legislature and the Public Am'nunts Committee to clean un thes matter of Home on the 1919 $4,t Ontario loan. so: had been runnrh I There never was anything. more in- correct. Mr. Clarke declared, than Exhe assumption that Ontario was Igraduauy going wet. The town- Mr. Clarke--1 think I answered that before. But when they tell you that conditions all over this Province have not improved since the law came into force. then they are talk- ing something that is absolute rot. The Government could not get away from the issue. in Mr. Clarke's opinion. When they attempted to tell the House that they were pass- ing a beer measure to assist the 0.T.A.. and that there was no breach ot faith with the electorate, "then I say they are not saying what is cor- rect." Mr. McCaualand---Are you in fa- vor of 5 per cent. beer? "I think," said Mr. Clarke, "that It he would be candid with this House, the Premier hunselt would admit he expected to have Govern- ment control." Mr. Clarke did not believe that the Attorney-General had been candid when he had said that the Government expected that the On- tario Temperance Act would be sa.. tained in the plebiscite by a huge majority. Expected Government Control. law, the O.T.A. Can you con- ceive of such an argument coming trom a man who was almost looked Upon as the good boy of the Legs. lature? If he is the good boy, then, from what I saw of him last night, I say Lord help the rest of us." "Imagine a man of his intelli- gence," declared Mr. Clarke. refer- ring to Mr. Nickle. "arguing that 5 per cent. beer is the only salvation _to keep alive and prptect that good a. measure to save the Ontario Tem- perance Act from the doom which Mr. Nickle had said was impending. When Mr. McCausland interrupted again to say. "So it is," Mr. Clarke answered: "You will go to another place first." [c accounts Committee had leted that portion of its dots he did not hold the Chair.. the committee members In Inn 2e "'m -- - stung on milk without the Kingston "summer felt that it there were ought to Join them the Id do its duty;" -.... sincerely sprry that , was so desirable: (Prtyrtearrive, Lin- Congttiéns were said, toe