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Hon. JFohn 5. MAaivn *"/""~~/ inail at the Government realized -- the riousness of the situation; that re-- arch work was going on at the overnment Fruit Station at Vine-- nd; but that, unfortunately, no vag' could be found to kill the' oth. Next, referring to the liquor ques-" on, Mr. Kemp stated that durlng" e campaign it was gsaid that boot--|| eging would be killed by a restrict--|| g law, but now it -- seemed that} ootleggers were to be done away !| ith by the reduction of the price: f liquor. 1 Government members loudly pro-- tested this statement. t tHon. James Lyons (Sault Ste. Marie) wanted to know if Mr. Kemp had ever told his constituencey -- to; vote for the O.T.A. because Govern-- ment control would reduce the price| of grapes. | Mr. Kemp vigorously denied thls.' E. C. Graves (St. Catharines) won--| dered if M¥. Kemp had ever made such a statement privately, if not publicly. Mr,. Kemp declared that at no time had he made such a state-- ment N nity and sanctity of their office," but he could not say as much for a class of clergy that opposed the Govern« ment and "sniped" from pulpits they had turned into "political dugouts." Oliver's First Speech, F. K. Oliver CU.P.O., South MHIOE, -- VUVBnmie SA es Grey), the youngest member of the| seat,. and Mr. Shaver continued. Legislature, next took a hand in Mr. Shaver promptly told the the debate. It was his maiden House he had yet to hear any con-- speech in the House, but the youth structive criticism from the mouths displayed no nervousness. In thls' of the Opposition groups. J ie ranbtamtdnirscerprrIt -- "You sit too far away," said Lib-- WE Seeluat Bhcdin iess rdiiesreeanleniiai n > oo gathering of his seniors, men aged in political experience, he proved himself in the matter of oratory an equal of any. In his opening remarks he dis-- sociated L. W, Oke, Lambton East, T. Farquhar, Manitoulin, and him--' self from the Progressive group in the House. The three of them con-- stituted their own U.F.0O. -- group, and for this trio he spoke. The three, said he, would extend the hand of co--operation to any group in the House, irrespective of party, in any matter that met with their approval. Discusses Rural Depopulation, Agriculture was faced with the problem _ of _ rural depopulation. Governments had advocated immi-- gation as a solution, But, said Mr. Oliver, the Europeans coming here took one look at the farms and then followed the boys and girls to the cities. Immigration, he declared, was not a basic solution. The real way to solve the problem was to improve agricultural conditions -- make agriculture attractive. oo o Ct Oe e eneeetn en 2c amiet e suggested remedies for agri-' culture's ills. First, co--operation in all its phases. He thought that the Government should study co--opera-- tive movements in countries where they were successful and make the informution in the findings available to Ontario farmers. '"'We are only touching the fringe of co--operative enterprise in Ontario," he added. He suggested that a committeso from the Legislature should study the rural education systems in other countries and that Ontario should adopt the best of the successful sys-- tems. Martin interjected t Referring to Hydro matters, he thought that power should be made still cheaper for rural Ontario. Then came a brief reference to the liquor question. He did not believe that Government control would pro-- mote temperance, would raise the moral tone of citizenship, would do away with bootleggers, However, said he, if the Government could prove to him that the system was | all it was claimed to be he would | throw away his convictions and yive \ it support, But he emphasized that he didn't think the Government could bring forward such proof. Criticizes University Plan. Urges Cheaper Power. C. A. Robertson (Liberal, North Huron) criticized the Prime Minis-- ter's scheme of transferring first and second year university work to the: secondary schools of the Province, on the ground that the system might prove a saving to the Province. It would not, he thought, be of any financial benefit to the small towns. He also criticized Mr. Ferguson's Township School Bill, and said that it should not be left "hanging over the heads" of the people, as it had been for the past three years. The people, he said, were entitled to know what was "intended." Rural Ontario for Temperance. wW. G. Medd (Progressive, North Huron)y referred at the outset of his remarks to the liquor question and N Nee No oi d ocm n s ane Ne s : Phstrantke reviewed the history of opment of temperance -- tion sentiment in Onta Ontario, he declared, taken a stand for tem] EO PEDObE Ar e NE NeR W O Bm M N00 C oc reviewed the history of "the devel-- opment of temperance and prohibi-- tion sentiment in Ontario." Rural Ontario, he declared, had always taken a stand for temperance, and still maintained such an attitude. | Ho touched on the educational work being done in schools, in the churches and in the homes to pro-- mote temperance, and he hoped that the Government in its legislation would do nothing to offset this work, or to stimulate any desire in the youth of the Province for strong§ drink. t cog in --. h he m ceue : -- un k. C eral Leader Sinclatr. ' Shaver Defends Government. ' \[r. Shaver called the attention of the Labor member of the House to| the Government's reductions in in-- ' come and theatre--ticket taxes, saying they were ample indications that | the Government had "the welf:arei of the masses at heart." He defend--| ed the Prime Minister's proposed policy of "carrying higher education" to the smaller centres, and said that Mr. Sinclair, in opposing the pro-- posal, was only satisfying his own selfish motives. Dealing with the "wet" question, Mr. Shaver flayed the "type of min-- ister" who, in the last election, had made a@a "political arsenal" of his pulpit. He also advised Mr. Medd to go back farther in his search for prohibition data, '"Why don't you |go back to the Garden of Eden? ! They tried prohibition there, but it didn't work." \Mr. Shaver felt that every person | should constitute himselft a police-- | man under Government control, and fend every effort to enforce the act. Queried by Miller. piti y Wce n ooge Eo fieg on ie 1 08 Dealing with Mr. Shaver fla) ister'"' who, in made a *'polit pulpit. He als to go back far l"l\ll\,\- uk 4 [ "Is it any more becoming," asked E. Blake Miller (Liberal, East Eigin) "for a person to go out as a citizen and help enforce a Government-- control act than it was to go out and help enforce the O.T.A. when it was 19 W . "Having faith in the people of this Province, who voted hbhalf a million strong for Government control," said Mr. Shaver, "I would say 'Yes!' And any one who does not do it is not a citizen worthy of the name."' "NDid the vote show up any more strongly. comparatively speaking,." a«ked Mr. Miller, "than for the "Did the vaite s strongly, . compatri asked Mr. Mille: O.JX.A."" "In .1924," said a w ?" We dn esd ay, Mr. Shaver, "the [ rity, h ha lg;?g"i'o..y if « remember, was about | * hy don't you 80 back k 'further?" gibed the Opposition. *' * In carrying the debate further Mr. Miller regretted that no provigion for old--age pensions had been made in the Speech from the Throne. He referred briefly to matters of Gov.-- ernment policy; was critical of "road construction'"' in his riding, charging that workmen on & certain piece of highway had been told "their vote was worth their job." Mr. Miller "went after'"' Rev. W. G. Martin for his debate speech taunts and reflections on "the pray-- ers of the women of Norfolk." "Most unseemly," said Mr. Miller, amid loud "Oh's" from the Government benches. Stands Up for O.T.A. J. H. Mitchell (Liberal, Southwest Simcoe), concluding speaker in the day's session, spoke particularly of the liquor issue, taking his stand as a prohibitionist, '"The Ontario Temperance Act," said he, "has worked wonders in my riding. I don't know where I could go there and get a glass of whlske'y._ 4 + "I hear that there's whiskey sold in the city ridings. But nobody has offered to sell me any here. Other members see it here, ~But I sup-- pose if you are out to find the booze you can, but I'm not hunting it --like other members, perhaps. "If the bootlegger sells booze and it is damning the country," he went on. "as it is said it is, I don't see that there is any difference if the Govern-- ment sells It." . . _ e ns Then he touched on remarks in the House about the activity of the clergy in the election. "The gentle-- man from Wentworth (A. L. Shaver, Conservative)," said he, "took great delight in ridiculing the clergy, and I think that it is uncalled for. Praises Clergymen,. "The clergymen who took part in the election were just as courageous as the men who ridicule them here. I invite the honorable member to come to my riding, and there T'll in-- troduce him to clergymen. He can discuss Government control, or the Ontarioe Temperance Act, and I am certain that they can suréely hold their own."' Mr. Shaver protested that he did not refer to the clergy generally. "I | said," he declared, "certain minis-- ters of the Gospel, so--called, in cer-- tain churches." | : 'A suppose," retorted Mr. Mitchell, | "you aidn't refer to the clergy mem-- | bers of this House. I __'"The clergy," he added, "are our ibest assets, and it is not becoming |\to make a feeling of discontent | against the clergy." I W.A. Baird (Conservative, Toron-- 'to High Park) then moved the ad-- journment of the debate, and the House rose at 11 p.m. Bill Respecting Widows' Rights. Prior to the continuation of the debate, J. G. Lethbridge, Progressive member for West Middlesex, intro-- duced, with the consent of the House, a bill respecting the rights of widows in the estates of their deceased hus-- _ bands. This measure, in slightly : altered form, was brought down at the 1926 session by Harold Fisher, (former Liberal member for East Ot-- : tawa, but was not pressed, notwith-- '"" 2. w 4ha ¥aet that the Govern« altered form, wAS DFUOULEIW MNIM ) the 1926 session by Harold Fisher, former Liberal member for East Ot-- tawa, but was not pressed, notwith-- standing the fact that the Govern« ment extended considerable sym-- pathy to its aims. Yesterday Hon. W. E. Raney suggested that the bill be sent to the Statutes Revision Com-- mission for consideration, but Pre-- mier Ferguson demurred, although he was prepared, he said, to allow 'it to be discussed freely on the floor of the House. | _ _The Prime Minister got first read-- ing to a bill to amend the Psychi-- atric Hospitals Act. He said it mere-- 1y involved a series of minor amend-- ments, and had not ariseon out of re-- cent complaints regarding the ad-- ministration of these institutions. Aims at Reforestation. Hon. William Finlayson brought down what is known as the Forestry Act--a measure aiming at reforesta-- tion in Ontario on & general scale. He will speak to the bill at its sec-- ond reading. Another Government us nA ARS TV V V hv "fln. FXOLL, © CVY AEATMARAE : 2N m i c n down what is known as the Forestry Act--a measure aiming at reforesta-- tion in Ontario on & general scale. He will speak to the bill at its sec-- ond reading. Another Government measure was that introduced by Hon. Forbes Godfrey, seeking to amend the Athletic Commissions Act. Th