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Hon. J. R. Cooke. Hydro Commis- sioner. told the Legislature during the Budget debate yesterday that there were three principles vital to the ex- pansion of the great Hydro-Electric en- terprise in Ontario, and that the Gov- ernment under Premier Ferguson would adhere to them Just as loyany in the future as it had done in the past. Stand by Rentals. Mr. Cooke, additionally, supplied the House with an intimate story ot the terms of the last Gatineau contract, of 100,000 horsepower to be delivered to the Province at Smith's Falls over a period Ot ten years; stated that delivery of the Chats Falls power was expected at Leaside Nov. 1 this year at a price of $23.50 per horsepower. or $2 less per horsepower than power now used in Toronto; criticized the "feeble" efforts toward Hydro advancement made by the Drury Administration, and with considerable vigor clashed with P. G. Sandy (Progressive, South Vic- toria) over utterances regarding rural power extension attributed to Mr. Sandy. and which. Mr. Cooke claimed, had been inspired by Prof. C. B. Sis- sons-one whose policy on rural power, lif ever effected. wouWmean "the ulti- mate destruction ot the whole enter- pr se." "The second is the legislation which came into force at the beginning of the operation of the Power Commission by which municipal taxation was Confined to land values. That legislation this Government intends to observe loyally. CHATS FALLS POWER AT $2 LESS PER HP. _ "The first," said Mr. Cooke. "is to observe the conditions with regard to rentals that were set forth in the orig- inal leases issued some 25 years ago to private power companies to develop at Niagara. These private companies-- the Electrical Development Company and the Ontario Power Company-have since come into possession of the Power Commission by purchase. and the rentals imposed " that time should be rigidly observed. The policy of the Government is to observe them loyally in the future. "The third is the policy that was so clearly enunciated at that time---that the water powers ot this Province shall belong to all the people of this Province and be developed on behalf of the Province and the municipalities in the interest of all the people. That has been and is the policy ot the Govern- ment today." Chats Power at $23.50. Inspired by Professor su. sons, Whose Policy on Rural Power, Declares Cooke, Would Mean De. struction of Whole En.. terprise - - - a g 'v v v; " l " I "I am not criticizing any Govcrnment "a. Viva" or any one," said Mr. Cooke. "Some action is bound to come sooner or . ARGESW" 1vn7irt.i)..ir.7 FouNnkj'ii5"i) ORANGEMEN LIVING y x1930 COMMISSIONER Mr. Cooke started off with a gen- erality or two regarding Dow r affairs in the Province, then turned his guns on Opposition members. who, he said, had shown a. "critical and unreasonable attitude" in dealing with Hydro mat- ters. He singled out Mr. Sandy in par- ticluar. Answers Mr. Sandy. Holding up a copy of The Lindsay Post carrying a report of Mr. Sandy's recent address in the House on the sub- Jeet of Hydro, Mr. Cooke stated that he had received the paper from a Lindsay- ite. who commented that Mr. Sandy's statements had created misgivings and doubt in the minds of the people of South Victoria as to the fairness of the methods employed by the Ontario Hy- dro Power Commission. In justice to the Commission. said Mr. Cooke, he must deal with several of Mr. Bandy's declarations and show that they were absolutely without foundation. He referred to some ot the Progressive member's remarks, as reported in the paper that Toronto, ,syi__rtctlvlng power favors, that Toronto got power for $26 while Lindsay had to pay $35 to $42, his query "Why should Lindsay be handicapped?" A _ " Mr. Sandy rose to make a correction. Mr. Cooke declaring "Your quarrel is with the editor of The Post." went on with his support pf the Commission. He thought that Mr. 8andy's re- marks were not the view of his party, but were personal utterances that had been "inspire'i by one who was not even a member 0 the House. and who was dissatisfied because he could not get preferential treatment from the Com- mission in a power area where his property was located." Continuing the Commissioner termed the Progressive member's statements "as grossly inac- curate." "misleading," and as the type of declaration that one would expect from people who still maintained that the earth was flat. _ "MrTeiro1as" spoke of the contracts the Hydro had made in recent years, to show that contrary to Mr. Sandy's statements. the Commission could con- struct lines much more cheaply than private concerns. He specified the transmission line from Chat Falls to Leaside. one-half of which is completed now, and the remainder expected by Nov. 1. A number of private concerns had tendered for the construction of this line, but the. lowest ot them had been 40 per cent. in advance of the Hydro's own tender. and the highest. 125 per cent. He further stated, that with half the line done, the costs were well within the Hydro estimates. Would Des.troy Hydro. It was just as feasible. said Mr. Cooke, to push the Canadian National Railways into every town and village in the country. to run a Provincial high- way up to every farmer's door, or to establish a university in every place in the country, as it was to provide every tarmer--as had been advocated-with power. Density of powcr users, he stressed, was the solution to cheaper power. The Hydro, naturally, had to charge more where there was a single farmer to a transformer. than in a hamlet where there were four or five to a transformer, or in an urban centre with thirty or forty users to it. Mr. Cooke reviewed work in the dif- ferent systems in the Province. and Cc-. cent contracts for the supply of those systems. In this connection he cm- phasized the last Gatineau contract as a "wonderful contract." The original plan had been to lay this 60 cycle down at Smith's Falls at $14.70. but under later arrangements. it is to be delivered at Ottawa at $14.55, and from there will be transported to Smith's Falls over a line which the Hydro Commissirn will build, and for which it will impose a $30,000 rental the first year upon the company. 2,000,000 Horsepower. would aggregate 2,000,000 horsepower. but with the demands for power from industry and elsewhere increasing 100.- 000 horsepower yearly it would only take twenty years to absorb it. . ' Mr. Cooke quoted a letter of Pro.. fessor Sissons to The Globe. and a subsequent interview he had given The Globe in denial of the professor's claims. "If things he advocates were carried out," said Mr, Cooke, "it would mean ultimate destruction of the whole Hydro enterprise." T The Niagara. the Rideau and the ot- tawa, said Mr. Cooke. were the Prov- ince's three great sources of power sup- ply, Future supply from these sources No Leader of any party, submitted Mr. Cooke in conclusion, had given any "elearer-eut" definition of policy with regard to power and power development than had Premier Ferguson. In 1924 the Government had submitted to 0t- tawa plans for development of the St. Lawrence at Morrisburg. In 1925. the Legislature actually had voted $500.000 for the project. Last spring the Gov- ernment had attempted to go ahead with development on the St. Mary's River. at the Soo. but had been held up because there was some ditiorenee ot opinion expressed from Ottawa as to who owned the power rights. 'ik $34,. tvac, 'Q-T _,rii,-'r, IN MIG PARADISE, "'e'i; SAYS E. l MILLER East Elgin Member Is Caus- tic in Reference to Regulation 17 HOT SHOT FOR PREMIER E. Blake Miller (Liberal, East Elgin) took Premier Ferguson to task in the Legislature yesterday for his attitude in regard to Regulation 1'7. The Liberal member, voicing his ut- terances in sonorous fashion, told the House that Regulation 17 had been made a political humbug for the last fifteen years and charged the Prime Minister With playing politics to fool Orangemen and Prenclr.Ganadians alike. In 1912, he noted, Dr. Merchant had made a report which was practically the same as the recent one. The Orange Order, the Liberal mem- ber declared. firing his first volley, had regarded Regulation 17 as a "sate- guard." "But," he continued, "it was a measure that crucified one out of every ten children born in this Prov- ince. The Prime Minister knew, and confesses now, that Regulation 17 was imposing hardship on every French.. Canadian child educated in this Prov- ince in that it did not provide for the same effiicent instruction as was at- forded others. His remarks were so caustic that Mr. Ferguson, as he concluded, remarked iiit, smiling sarcasm, " would like to hgratulate my honorable friend on the very high ground he has taken on this subject." l "And so," Mr. Miller continued, "tor fifteen years Orangemen have been liv- ing in a fool's paradise. And children have been continuing under a school system that the Prime Minister says he knows is a total failure." When Orangemen now asked the Premier, "What about Regulation IT?" they got the reply, "It is still extant," said Mr. Miller, and when French- Canadians asked a similar question they were soothed with an answer of "new methods.' ' "Rent Wrong Them Again." " am only copying' the Prime Min- ister," retorted Mr. Miller. View of Orange Order. "But," the Liberal continued, "the leopard cannot change his spots nor the Ethiopian his color. If he wronged the French-Canadian for the last 12 or 15 years he'll wrong them again. If he has built a fool's paradise for the Orangemen in the past he'll build another for the future." The Premier's attitude regarding Regulation 17, he went on, was "noth- ing but political propaganda" and "mission work for Northern Ontario." The Orangemen in Toronto no longer controlled Ontario, he said. There were "Tory ramparts" in the North, and the Premier, so Mr. Miller thought, was "playing politics" to appease French- Canadians in the Northland. Mr, Ferguson, he continued, had to give "an exhibition of tire-eating" to satisfy the Orangemen. so he fired a French-Canadian inspector. and then he re-engaged the same inspector as joint Principal at Sturgeon Falls. -.