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I Extension is reported tn the super- vision ot permits. The co-operation ot Various social organizations has been :emisted by the board. and the result (has beer an increase in the number ot §cancelled permits. The report lays it 'down as a fundamental principle that the purchase ot liquor should come only long after the purchase of the necessi- ties of life. During the past year 5.118 permits were cancelled. with 20 orders of judicial interdiction and the ex- xaminai'on of 391 cases which have been so adjusted as to limit permit holders 'without actual cancellation. "rt has been said." the report reads, 'that by cancelling permits the board is only playing into the hands of the Lashed suriundrl outr Comparison ot sales for the last ilve months of the fiscal years of 1927 and trar-the not did not come into force until June I, 1927, it will be recalled, and a ftveatnonttts comparison is the pnly Ime possible-is shown in the at- 1mourgger. ] legger is prob cellation. but GOVERNMENT URGED B DEVELOP MARKETS FOR ONTARIO MEI Progressive M.P.P. Suggests New Liskeard Area for Seed-Grain Growing A picture of development in Ontario in agriculture and the mining and timber and pulp industries was painted in the Legislature yesterday afternoon. IRON MINING SAID T0 LAG R. H. Kemp (Progressive, Lincoln) and Hon. James Lyons (Conservative. Sault Ste. Marie) wielded the brushes. And while both t111ed a canvas with an illustration ot activity in the Province. both left blank spun which they hoped would be filled in with a further pic- ture, ot progress .- . These two gentlemen were speakers in the debate on the Address in reply to the Speech from the Throne. It had been thought that a night session might advance this debate, but such an even- ing sitting did not materialize, and the debate goes on today. with. so it is announced now. a. session tonight. In fact. Mr. Lyons had not ftnisiled his address when the hour of adjournment. tt o'clock. arrived, and he continues to- day. Hydro Is Criticixed. Mr. Kemp's was chiefly an address from the farmer's point of View, He took the Government to task for "over- charges" in Hydro; he thought that the Government should be active in de- veloping markets for the agriculturist; he suggested that the New Liskeard area be used for the production of high- grade grain seed. . . . 6 Mr. Lyons. on the other hand. spoke of the timber and mining industries. And ptutipu1arly_lte dwe_lt 9n ghe ingu- die" situation. -He emphasized. as his colleagues have before. that. while On- tario contains millions pt tons ot iron are the basic necessity for the develop- ment of a nation. not one ton is produced tr.! flteri,o,ft,dPnyt1tEeial imposes. He blamed the Ottawa Gov- ernment for this, on the ground that it had refused an otter from the On.. tario Government to share. dollar for dollar. a bonus for the industry which would put it on its feet. Urges Seed-Growing. R. H. Kemp (Progressive, Lincoln)= furnished the House with some impress-' slons he gained of Northern Ontario and its development on the occasion. last July, of the Progressive group's probably assisted through can- In some cases the boot- 7hur543y' f, tour of that section ot the Province. Mr. Kemp thought that settlers should " be gathered together more closely; that . reforestation of _wh1te_ pine would be , "That section," he stressed, "is a (wonderful seed-growing country, com- 1paratively tree from weeds. Prom it Ithere could be developed a high-price l article ot seed with a great market de- mand." I Claims 22 Per Cent. Over Cost. a long, slow and possibly unsuccessful process: that electrical energy from the water powers available could be more evenly distributed over the coun- try than it is at present: and that every effort should Be made by the Govern- ment to encourage the growing of seed by farmers in the district north trom New Liskeard. Mr. Kemp got into a clash with Hon. J. R. Cooke. Hydro Commissioner. when he tackled the question ot power tor farmers, and claimed that the Hydro Commission was charging 22 per cent. over cost instead of cost. "True." he said, "Hydro may tell us that the money is ours-that it is on deposit. and is going to be returned to us. but that doesn't help us much when we try to get other farmers to come in-the only means of reducing the cost. Many farmers stay out because of the high prices we have to quote them." Mr. Cooke promptly quoted a num- ber of rural districts in which origi- nal service charges had been reduced as low as $2.50. Did this, he asked, look like overcharging? Mr. Kemp stuck to his guns, however, stating that Hydro figures would show that the overcharge in his Niagara district over the last four years would amount to approximately 22 per cent. Mr. Cooke said that the Lincoln member forgot the extensive rebates that had been made the district by the Commission: "Doesn't affect the question at all," said Mr. Kemp. "The Hydro has been overcharging and will continue to over- charge. We don't care so much about a small overcharge. but it should be as near as cost as it is possible to get it. Twenty-two per cent. is altogether too much." Plea for Farmers. On the general question of agricul- ture, Mr. Kemp painted a sad picture of farmers' sons leaving the farms, with "nothing that immigration or educa- tion can do" to put as good men in their places; with 75 per cent. of the farmers on certain concessions he had visited anxious and trying to seel cut, with fire insurance companies refus- ing business from farmers on the tlims- iest sort of pretexts; and with nothing being done by the Government to aid the farmer in his marketing problem. Mr. Kemp pointed cut that when politicians made their rounds ot the homes of constituents they had a duty, or at least a ceremony, to perform. They must praise the children. at least pay their respects to "the pet in the cradle." And so he had some words for the "pet" in the "Government's cradle," "its ohild." the Liquor Control Act. He be- lieved that those who had opposed that measure should demand of those who had supported it that the supporters should at least observe its regulations. "It is up to them," said he, "to stand behind it and make it the law." He had seen R report from Sir Henry Drayton that 6.000 permits had been cancelled. Was this evidence that those who had Hon. Mr. Lyons then took up the de- bate. and tor half an hour or so enter- tained the House with declarations that had been heard ofttimes before. His first remarks were a particularly ex- tensive eulogy of the Conservative Party generally and Hon. G. Howard Fergu- son in particular. And then on the liquor situation he expressed a series of thoughts which had been advanced in the pre-L.C.A. days. Lauding the Con- trol Act, he reiterated the views ad- vanced by Government members on the O.T.A. In fact. as he readily admitted, he went back to an old speech of his to get a bit of whimsy with which to wanted the law supported it? "In fact," said he, "6,000 people who wanted the. law have violated it." If. said he, you" want the law, you should "stand up" and "observe" its regulations. And Gov- ernment members as well " Opposi- tion J.""""" applauded this senti- men . lauéh at the Opposition. 'eJec/i)ryr- 15/55 itkd "Again Applauded. He pulled out ot a past address in the House what he considered to be a delicate bit of humor, his statement that a five-gallon keg ot native wine would put the Progressive members un- der the table. He repeated this, and again his colleagues, as on that occa- sion, some years ago, applauded vigor- ously. i Then he started into the subject ot I conditions, in New Ontario, particularly las involving the natural resources of iforests and minerals. For many min- iutes he spoke on the newsprint indus- ttry and the timber situation in the lProvince, the chief matters of a de- partment which he once administered 'as Minister of Lands and Forests. He .spoke, too, of road expenditures In the l; North country, denouncing criticismsa advanced by the Opposition in this re-l, gard. He had a suggestion, It being'; that there should be a Provincial park, on the North Shore of Lake Superior. fit; Rio/J ,//.- 7 run through by the 'Trans-Cana) Highway. This, said he, would be avail- able to many thousands of people pt the United States, and would be a source of revenue. Iron Mining Neglected. Next he undertook to speak at length on an industry which he said was be- ing practically neglected. that being, the mining of iron. Ontario, he ob- served, as has been done before, pos- sessed enough iron to fill all her own needs, but is not producing one ton of iron ore for commercial purposes, and he laid the blame for this at the doors of Ottawa. _ He remembered that the Provincial Government had offered to give dollar' for dollar with the Federal Government to develop the iron and steel industry, but that the offer had been ignored. "The result." said he, "is that last year Canada imported $312,378,327 in iron and steel from the United States." "If," he declared, "there is any secret in the farmers' present condition. the solution is found in these figures-this immense importation of products which we could produce within our own balm. daries." The question of calling a Provincial election came up in the House yesterday when John G. Lethbridge, Progressive Leader, drew the members' attention to an article In The London Free Press which stated that there would be no election until June, 1930. "I hope," said he, "that. the Prime Minister will take us into his tstmtidenee and tell us whether this is ofBeitu or not." "I will give the honorable member this. assurance." the Premier replied. "That 1'll let him know before I tell The Free Press." "They are in a different position " Ottawa than we are." Mr. Ferguson re- torted to that. remark. "They are afraid down there. We are not." Mr. Lothbridgo had pointed out that the Federal Prime Minister had taken the public into his confidence on the matter of a Dominion election. I L.-. . '_..-.. - s-sa-saws. r. . -.. uu "i--'---'.-.". "There's a Difference