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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 15 Feb 1929, p. 2

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BONUS SUGGESTED | ON ONT ARIO STEEL _ FROM ONTARIO ORE Probe of Hydro Costs, More Modern Farming in -- North, _ Threefold Plan to Better Liquor Law Conditions and New System of Gas Tax Col-- lection Urged sive, South Victoria) that the Govern-- ment undertaks more modern scientific farming methods in aid of Northern set-- tlors, and a study of cheaper trans-- portation in aid of agriculture gener-- ally; suggestion from W. S. Haney Conservative, West Lambton) that the Covernment consider establishment of accident insurance for Provincial Air Torce PFliers; suggestion from P. W. Tearson (Liberai, North York) that the c:overnment adopt his threefold plan of kettering the Liquor Control Act and present conditions thereunder, and sug-- sestion from J. G. Taylor (Progressive. North Grey) that ths Government 'r>andon the present system of gas tax collection were features of the deb?.te LONGEST SESSION OF HOUSE TO DATE Buggostion from Hon. James Lyons (Conservative, Sault Ste. Marie) that tae Government might well legislate a per--ton bonus on grades of steel pro-- ducabie in Ontario; suggestion from C. A. Robsrtson (Liberal, North Huron) taat the Government investigate Hydro cistribution costs, and makse Provincial itmiversities of Queen's and Western; suaggestion from F. G. _Sanq_y 1lirogres- i1 the Ontario Legislature yesterday a'ternoon and last night, and, inci-- centally, of the longest sitting in which ths« House has indulged to date this zossion. "Suggestion Day." L It was truly "Suggestion Day" with Opposition and Conservative members €oing the suggesting, and with the Gov-- ernment on the target end of the situ-- rtion. It was a dragging day, too, and there woere no complaints heard at 11.15 when H. H. Ball (Conservative, "Toronto--Eglinton) suggested adjourn-- ment, and quits were called until Tues-- gay afternoon next. The one particular sparkle of seven hours of debate was made manifest when Hon. Joseph E. Thompson, depu-- tizing for the Speaker of the House, suggested that Mr. Pearson retract a statement he had made, and got from the North York member the blunt decla-- ration that he would resign his seat rather than back down on the fact that he had been furnished the information sn which his statement had btzen based. W SSuectts eqeda l nc ooo t L dpave . >b mpaad OVE EEEEan EY 0 t . Mb & BD+ manufactured from the iron ores mined in the Province of Ontario, and vith the further provision that the Kounty will cease to apply on all grades -- cz steel which may be included in ¥ariffs brought down by the Dominion Nee s Coonene n c e e ons c it e o4 Rural Hydro, liquor, education, agri-- tuliture. St. Lawrence waterway, North-- ern development, roads, and a dozen other matters of policy on which Op-- position critics like to train their sights, and which Government benchers never fail to laud, passed in review before the curtain dropped. Legislative Proposal. When Mr. Lyons resumed his address g'esterday afternoon he continued with is remarks on the iron and steel situ-- rtion, maintaining that the industry in Canada should be put in such a position that it could compete with the United States. And with this in view he had a o §¥ _ Putawia a legislative proposal for the Ontario ruthorities. "I want to suggest to the Govern-- ament and to the House," said he, "that Lhney give serious and careful considera-- tion to the passing of legislation that «vill provide & bonus per ton on certain wrades of steel that can be produced wight here in Ontario, with the under-- rtanding that the steel so P:od\:ced shall Uy ul oc t -- Resiases a iran nres (4da y-- fFe b6ruary-- /5/z for the Ontario K:overnment from time to time applying n similar steecl imported in the Do-- fninion of Canada." "This." said Mr. Lyons, "puts us in #he position of doing what the Do-- wainion Government cught to do, but w should do it." It might, said he, be wonsidered as a radical move, but so fhad been the Liquor wontrol Act, which, *te maintained, had turned out to be ruch & fine piece of legislation. | C2lls for Protection. | " He thought that the bonuses as pro-- ied for in his suggestion would not exceosd half a million dollars a year, and this was not such a great amount wiien one considered the sums already rdvanced for the carrying on of the In-- «custrial Rescarch Foundation in On-- tario. And, as far as research was con-- w«erned, said he, "we don't need research in the stcel industry, for we know what 4s wrong with it already. The trouble #s that we haven't got our OWn mar-- skets protected." Why, he asked, if the «Kiovernment bonused Hydro. education ®nd agriculture, should it not also bonus the steel industry? * s o l . s en Next, computing his figures on the | easig that more than $312,000,000 worth | wf jiron and steel was imported from / the United States by Canada last year, e observed that if this industry had Ween in Canada $187,000,000 would have fiaeen paid in wages. 'If this business was here, it would mcean that 95,000 mrorkers would be employed and that, with each having five of a family. 475.-- 000 people would be added to the popu-- tflation. Moreover, he figured out that | 'these people would provide a market| 'nf $131.000,000 for agricultural and | tather products. On the basis that there | '@re seven tons of raw material to one | of steel, he figured that the railways | . would get 70,000,000 additional tons of | 'freight if the iron and steel industry | 'mas in Canada. There would be $8,-- | ©00,000 worth of increased railway 'earnings. and 5,000 extra railwaymen ,would be given employment. 1 'Oitawa Atmosphere. From this Mr. Lyons led into a gen-- wral review of tariff conditions, and then the atmosphere in the House seemed to be more that of the Federal Par-- liament than the Ontario Legislature. For he talked of tariff walls and pro-- tection, and denounced the "free--trad-- jers across the floor," and foresaw that there would be '"no more chancse of reciprocity within forty years than of the Liberals getting back into power." He produced speeches of Government heads in the United States to show how the States were throwing the tariff walls higher and higher. But when he *quoted Mr. Hoover on the subject, Hon. H. C. Nixon (Progressive, Brant) sug-- gested that he also quote Mr. Hoover on the prohibition question, and sug-- gested that the prosperity in the United States attributed by Mr. Lyons to the tariff might be _attritguted't;o 1prohi'oition. ic a h d 2 h 3302047 td ied d cxdutitn itA C Mr. Lyons referred again later to de-- ¥elopments ia Northern Ontario. He anualyzed the nroeduction o' the Hollin-- gor Mine and the payroll to shkhow what an important part such developments | piayed in the development of ths Prov-- ' ince generally. Then, ou the subject of Hydro, he t:ok the view that, con--. sideving the Gcvernment bonuses, the: farmers were guotting electric power at less than cost. Something Wrong. C. A. Robertson (Lib., North Huron) praised Foster _ Moffat (Conserva-- tive, South Bruce) for his "fearless discussion of Hydro matters," and stated that the people of Bruce were loyal to the Foshay interests for the very good reason that the Foshay people offered better rates than the Hydro Commission. something was seri-- ously wrong, he stated, with Hydro costs. For instance, in his home rown, Goderich, the rate was $42 today, with more than 1,000 Hydro horsepower be-- ing used, when 14 years ago it was cnly $37, notwithstanding the fact that less than 200 horsepower was consumed. "These figures are difficult to un-- derstand," challsng»d Mr.' Robertson. "I'm afraid I'm like the Prime Min-- ister and am not an engineer. Conse-- quently the figures are & bit' kbey;ond me. I do feel, however, that the is ripe for an investigation into costs of Hydro distribution." ___ on the | time the _ _'"The Premier," he gibed, "waxes elo-- auent when he talks temperance, but 'is not very convincing. In other words, 'he 'shouts' temperance and 'whispers' ' the evils of the Liquor Control Act." _ _"I'm glad to have that assurance," said Mr. Robertson. "Down there, they 'figure that you are going to increase : your contribution, but they wanted more assurance if they could get it." § Not so long ago, said Mr. Robertson, be had taken a case to Hon. J. R. Cooke, Hydro Commissioner, and Mr. Cooke had admitted that the matter was one of "real grievance." At the latter's suggestion, he, Mr. Robortson, had taken the case up with the Hy4ro engineers, and had been advis>sd that "politicians should keep out of Hydro." When he had quoted Mr. Cooke's opin-- ion he had been met with the 'eply that '"the Minister hasn't anything more to say about it than you hav>." Rather arrogant talk, cbserved -- Mr. Robertson, for people who "fixed their own salaries." Ask Maitland Power. | _ Mr. Robortson claimed that the country was getting away from the first conception of "good roads." Back in pre--motor--car days good roads vwere taken to mean the building of market roads to leading towns. Nowadays they meant nothing more than trunk lines connecting one town with another, and meaning little to the back concessions and the remoter districis. The present Government, he said, was laying too !much stress on Provincial nighways, | particularly in the face of what the 'farmers had to contribute toward them. _ _ Hon. Mr. Henry--You wouldn't ask for any more Provincial highways in Huron, then? Goderich's situation had reached the point, said the speak>r, where Council had passed a resolution asking the Hydro to develop power on Maiiland River, rather than bring it all the vay from Niagara, under existing rates. Mr. Robertson could not see how "temperance" was to be promoted if the sale of liquor in the Provinces was to increase from 25 to 30 per cent. yearly. Mr. Ferguson had suggested, he said, co--ocperation between Hydro and the rural power user. Well, he observed, he could not sse how co--operation could be achieved in the face of the present methods of power distribution. North Huron, he said, had a popula-- tion of about 12,000 people. They want-- ced Hydro, but at the present time he doubted if more than 50 f{farmers were gotting it. "I think Western will be satisfied with what we are going to do for them," said the Premier. "It's purcly a locel matter." put in Premier Ferguson. "Ths people have the say as to what they nsed or want. They always inifiate movements for schools. It is solely in their hands. The department does not force any-- thing on them." Extra Aid for Western. For Western University, at London, Mr. Robertson asked extra financial aid from the Government. The University of Toronto, he stated, was in the for-- tunate position of Grawing the greater part of its student enrolimont from the city and close cutside. The time would come, he figured, when the university would serve Toronto alone. Western and Queen's Universities wore dGdoing good work, and it was only right, he submitted, that they should be taken over as Provincial universities, too. No Action on School BHl. Mr. Robertson expressed forar that the large interests which towns had vested in local high schools might be lost if the suggestion in the Townrship School Boards Bill--that high schools inight be built in every township--was adopted. Mr. Robertson--I'm afraid I'll have to warn the honorable member that our County Council will be down before long asking some extra concessions of him. A show--down on Premier Ferguson's Township School Boards Bill--"to pass or not to pass"--was demanded by Mr. Robertson. ln 1925 the Minister of Equcation had termed "deplorable" con-- ditions existing in the rural districts, and yet the department had remained inactive on the mattsr--had not sup-- plied remedial measures. "What do you mean by inactivity?" asked Mr. Henry. "When the Prime Minister speaks on education, I'm cer-- tain you will find that considerable progress has been made."

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