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iiGr other out of maintenrnmcyrti,lt he was quite i',', sympathy with the' farmers' problems. he wished to point out, he sold. and he promptly did,, what the City of Toronto alone con-, tributed to the Monteith Budget. "Mr. George H. Ross. former Treas- urer for Toronto," he said, "informs me that Toronto inst year had approx" mately 90.000 motor vehicles and that we contributed by way of automobile tax ti,250,000. Mr. Ross estimated that Toronto used 35,000,000 gallons of 8850' line and that our contribution by way ot gasoline tax won over ti,000,000. 'Big Contribution. I "Toronto's share for land transfer \tax was $147,700. In addition to Land Titles Act amounting to $32,000, making " total ot $179,700.. . j I t "To make the illustration more com- plete, Mr. Ross estimates that Toronto owns one-tttth of the total number of. automobiles in Ontario. As a matter of fact the total contribution of motor licenses tor the whole Province was $6.200,000, and for gasoline tax $4,600.- 000. So you can readily appreciate Toronto's contribution along this line. a Wyn: va vbvv,vvv- "The amount collected in succession' duty fees for the whole County of York, amounted to $2,300,000. Owing to the head offices of many of the large trust companies. together with leading banks, being in Toronto, our share to the corn poration tax was considerable. The corporation tax for the whole Province amounted to 84.800.000. which included the race tracks and as two of the larg- est are in the City of Toronto and the other two adjoining Toronto. we esti- gate that we paid in betting tax $750,- "The amusement tax for the whole" Province was ti,250,000, Toronto's con- tribution was $600,000. To Suburban Highways. "Speaking of our contribution to Pro- vincial suburban highways, including the Toronto-Hamilton Highway. which since 1926 has been designated as a Provincial suburban highway. we paid trom 1911 to 1921 for construction and maintenance $579,941.49: trom 1917 to 1927. inclusive. we paid for construc- tion and maintenance 't,539,648.9'7. "To the Tororto a: York Roads Com- mission from 1911 to 1922 we paid tt.'t81.33f.99/' - , Next, Mr. Newman spoke of the ac- tivities of wolves in the Province, pic- tured tlee? es 1,Ptneec He referred to a rtert_1Ctorves tlfjhGiiro'ii; Fish and Game Department. He pie-l .tured the situation at Rosedale, near Fenclon Falls. Rosedale controlled the! level ot three lakes which are noted, breeding homes of maskinonge. Yet, said he, in the dry season. water was t run ott through there to supply power and the spawn of the "lunge" was left high and dry. It was considered, said he, that there was a saving ot hun- dreds ot dollars in power, but he be- T lieved that because of the depreciation l of the fish. there was a loss of hundreds '5 of thousands of dollars. l, "Trapper: Are Sore." , Mr. Newman declared that there should be more co-operation between gig Hsdtelipeetrite, Commission and the with any reflection on the Deputy PM" Minister of Game and Fish. And 'I),',",',',) may say that some members of the z 'l2 Anglers' Association 'personal friends of I h 3 mine. haven't anything to say of the i'll Ot Deputy Minister. But I am not sure (no?! that it wouldn't he wise to take away C this department trom the Minister of i can Mines and put it in Lands and PM? Forests." .. Referring to the vacational resources of the Province, Mr. Newman spoke for a. moment or the work of the Anglers' Association. He believed that that or- ttttttization, "might be wrong in appeal- ing for a new Minister tor game and tish." He thought that the anglers ad- vocated such a portfolio "because they somewhat overemphaslze the impor- tape of the department. "Perasonatiy," he continued, " havent i any sympathy with a new minister; beierg Htfttd, l. have ntl sympathyi Mr. Newman. the next speaker. de- scribed for the House the holiday facili- ties of Haliburton. Then he pleaded with the Government to provide the eight miles oi roadway which was needed to jom that district and Muskoka. .;.uun,vvv-vv- , re- I Referring to Premier Fergusons cent announcement of B Hydro ptliw . for Northern Ontario, Mr. Nesbitt men- V timed requests of various Northern' municipalities for power, as an indica- " tion of the urgent need for the House: to get behind the Prime Minister and i, support his policy. i Eight Miles of Road. , pj/i.CU'j'ire 5 o/ctw' at i R. H. Kemp (Progressive. Lincoln) 'aald that what agriculture was suffering from today, as it had tmtrered for years in all countries. was its remoteness from gthe large centres of trade. Boys left ll the farm and went to the cities, and ilagrieulturtu wealth took the same 'écou'se. but there was very little return, " any. of that wealth to the farm. "My t opinion," he said, "is that any man on :a farm today tn the Province ot On- iurio is an optimist." Amused at "lunatic." SI In conclusion. he referred at length to the Public School Health Book. cit- ing sections that pictured the evil ef- tees of liquor waking. this afternoon. I believe that we should put in Canada a total prohibi- tion. And. when we get. rid of the rich, wealthy brewer and distiller. we can take care of the moonshiner." "Never Miss the Money." As for the revenue the Government got from the liquor business. Mr. New- man said: "It we could drive this out of the country. we'd never miss the money." knee. "When I was a lad so high," he , pointed, " came up against that evil.! And I swore with the help of God? never to give quarter to that stuff in' any land or country. That's where I stand today. And I believe that the majority of the peoole of this Province 'he. in fympathy with what I speak of "Couldn't," he asked the House. "we get a local option to get at this? If we can't. let us get education. " have no apology to make for what I am saying," Mr. Newman declared, and his voice shook with emotion. He §tretched__his hand down toward his a: The Victoria County Council spent 8179.613 on roads, $140.58T on bridges. administration and educational work and $17,686 on the House of Refuge. And yet the liquor store and the brew- ery warehouse todk in 399.224 more than that. "Just think of that," said he, "$4M,008 spent in Lindsay in booze. If that is a temperance measure I say that it is a wet one." "A Terrible Evil." Mr. Newman went on to talk on the liquor situation. He declared that he had no apologies to offer for speaking on this topic. Comparing liquor sales in the Province on tive-month periods in 1927 and 1928, he showed that they. had increased 34 per cent. According! tn an analysis of the Liquor Report for 1928, the average sales in a liquor store, were $293,384 and in a beer warehouse, I $143,824. He obserx ed that Lindsay had a liquor store, a beer warehouse, a distillery and a brewery. Picturing the area sur- rounding Lindsay served by these "taeilities," he believed that you could say that the store and the warehouse in Lindsay were "average," and so therefore they did between them a yearly business of 8437.008. He stated that in his own district, on the Cannington line, there had been no attempt to sell farmers Hydro in the last six or seven years. And the same conditions existed between Lorneville and Woodviile, when the last request to two wealthy farmers to come in on Hydro was ten years ago. He declared that there was nothing aggressive in putting Hydro across. "No private companies in the whole Dominion," said he," would endure that sort ot thing for over six months." Liquor Sales Up " Per Cent. to the value ot more than $100,000. "That," said hee "is not a melon." He believed they were just getting back a. bit of the money which they had paid out in too high rates. m..." saver, 35111153 from Lindsay. He observed that the Government had raised the hunters' licenses and yet the wolf bounty was not increased. "And," said he, "the trappers are Bore." He urged an increase in the bounty. Then. on the subject of rural Hydro, Mr Naming" hAI'AI-n.' u, I '- - - ~~~v -. In"; HUI-ll"! . Then. on the subject of rural, Hydro, Mr. Newman believed that the Govern- ment was a. "little too strong" in abus- ing the farmers when they offered criticism on this subject. He told the Government to "buckle down" to the problem, and if they couldn't "do it" to "let us have the chance." He referred to the press report that the municipalities in the Georgian Bay §ystem were sharing a Hydro "melon" Mr Kemp "ltidded" Mr. Nesbitt for Mr. Acres believed that with the! building of _ more transmistsion lines} through the rural districts the small; 'towns should get their share of the in..! Idustry that is now going to the large' centres of population. tin that way could it be determined iwhether the ttat rate plan was work- :able. He had heard, he stated, that tit was not, but until the Hydro-Elec- .tric Power Commission made a test, he iwould remain unconvinced. lower Delivered Like Mail. I believe that the Hydro development that permits such a situation has not yet reached the stage of achievement that it should." "Is it tair," he said, speaking per- sonally. "that my wife should pay four times as much for the power she uses as some woman does in Toronto? I don't mimosa, and I want to say that If the water powers of the Province; belonged to the people and the Hydro' Commission was developing them as a' public utility, then, he contended. people should not have to pay the difterenti power rates they do. In his opinion; power should be delivered to the home; in almost the same manner as a postiei delivers 'tyall-z-all things equal. , A. H. Acres. Conservative, Carleton), was extremely critical of those Opposi- tion members who eternally nagged at the Liquor Control Act, when they gave the House little indication ot what they were doing in their ridings to see that the law was properly enforced. "Nagging details and small issues," said the Carleton member. merited little consideration when there were tar more important matters-the ques- tion of farm depopulation. for instance ---to be solved. Mr. Acres, speaking. as he said. as an opponent of public ownership, and with the viewpoint of the people of the farms. declared that the Government should seriously consider the matter of creating a. fiat rate for light and power for the rural districts, In his opinion three townships should be selected for a test of the possibilities of such a. system-in Eastern Ontario. Central Ontario, and Western Ontario-lines should be erected on every concession: and light suppliedAto every home. Only More Important Problem The great danger to the Province, he believed, did not lie in the men who bought permits, but in the distiller: and brewers.' "The permit fellows won't put Liquor Control Act on the rocks," he stated. "But I believe that if the brewers and distillers don't change, their methods of business they will' wreck the act 'and the Government along with it." In issuing permits. the Governgent, he contended, should take a uer. stronger hand; and its aim, all round should be to make the law a success, and not some mere financial achieve- Mr. Kemp claimed that, in one re- spect at least. the Prime Minister ot the Province had failed to live up to his promises. The Government, he said, went into power last election on the wave of "Government control," but they have been unable to make the law as good as they said it would be. The distillers and brewers, he said, never had a system by which they could get rid of their products better than they had now. Didn't need a single sales- man on the road. No need to advertise. No competition, with all the prices set by the Liquor Board. All they had to do, the speaker claimed, was turn loose the stuff. ."."""e-'WV upPIGMbC. On the matter or patronage, the Lin- coin member said that there was one Highways Department item for $1,500.- 000 under the head of "wages for men and payments." Why couldn't the Gov- ernment give the names of the men? he asked. Why not give their salaries? Was there anything in the patronage system of which to be ashamed? Promises UnfuW.ted. "Meow"; u we at out straw" in his speech. He claimed that with the in- creased gas tax the people were pay- ng more on their cars than ever be.. (ore, notwithstanding the decrease in license. In fact, the general tax rate all over the Province had been in- creased. It had amused him to hear Mr. Nesbiitt juggle with Ontario's assets and Ham " -- ._, I . - C'thretjhintr a lot. of f El) qld straw" in