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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 26 Mar 1929, p. 2

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lerat aomrtuisikst ceases to matte Itty leontributton, or in my other way tsilt' to live up to ita agreement with the Province. The Prime Minister explained thtt there was some doubt as to the consti- tutional validitv ot the Dominion legis- latlon. tn reply to Aurcllen Belanger l, (Liberal. Russell) he stated he had no "'speclal knowledge" of any court ac- ltlon by the Province of Quebec to f.tt. ltabnsh whether the Federal law was ultra vires or not. Alex. Mewhinney (Liberal. North Bruce) appealed to the Government. to get the act in operation as soon as possible. In reply, Mr. Ferguson re- iterated his earlier statements that as soon as the machinery was ready it would be set in motion. Provision had been made in the act, he explained, for payment by the Provincial Treasury lin case the law was working before Nov. l-the start _ year-tts he hoped $2633]??? tls cal W. G. Medd (Progressive. South Huron) asked whether pensions pay- ments were to be retroactive. and Mr. Ferguson explained that under the Federal law it made no difference whether a. man delayed application for his pension. If granted him. he would get it from the time the art came into force. provided. of course, that-he was the required 'io years of age at the t me. Colonel Price pointed out that at the present time the Province has no fingerprint system at hand, and when- ever the occasion arises, must resort to the municipalities tor information and aid ot this type. The bureau he has in mind may. he inferred, take a little while to work out, but when es- tablished, would in his opinion, go a long way toward achieving the goal of general law enforcement co-operation that is the primery aim of his Con- stables' Act amendments. Opposition Approves. FINGERPRINT BUREAU FOR ONTARIO POLICE IS MMS'? BY PRICE BRITISH POLICING SYSTEM Establishment at Queen's Park in the near" future of a central finger- print and criminal record bureau was forecast to the Ontario Legislature last night, by Attorney-General William H. Price, during his address on second reading or his bill to amend the Con- etabies' Act. There was no opposition to second _ reading of the bill. Hon. Harry C. Nixon, Progressive. Brant County. ap- peared to voice the unanimous approval 01 the Opposition groups, when he not f only commended the principle of the. act, but contended that Co onel Price} should go farther, and not only make the High County Constables ot the: Province subject to Provincial Police: jurisdiction, but all highways traffic. atticers as well. l Premier Ferguson, the only other House member to speak to second read.. ing, claimed that the chief aim of the measure was to build up a system of police organization that would be Pro- vincial-wide one that would not only make for better law enforcement, but would effect better law observance with- out the enforcement. The measure, as explained by the Attorney-General, will bring all present High Constables un- der the control of General Victor Wil- liams, Provincial Police Commissioner. and will authorize the Province to ap- point (at its expense) High Constables in all counties now without them. An- swering suggestion that the Province through this bill was again stepping on the toes, so to speak, of the munici- palities. Mr. Ferguson explained that while the law at the present time re- quires these municipalities to appoint , Opposition Raised to Second Reading of Con- stables Bill 'Fira/iv-Av-rr, f a; sdayrt "an: officers; onlsrhteirin have done so to date. cad there apparently is no way. of gett s after them. The public. he, contended. had got In the habit oft phoning the Provincial officers in time. of troubje. for the very good reasho'ni .. ..-f-" "lung-On n ate. iii 'ifrertauientlr is no way, of mm otter tll',','?. The public, ttti contended. had got in the habit oti phoning the Provincial officers in time.' of trouble, for the very good reason} that in many cases the High Constable haul come to be looked upon in effect as a. necessary elm. As examples. he recalled the case of one such officer who was 82 years of age, and of an- other oillcial who could do nothing but look after the courthouse and "never got out on the job." Surveys Department Work. Colonel Price gave the House a veryl comprehensive survey of the work oil the Provincial Police Department. trac- ing its remarkable expansion from the days when "Joe" Rogers and a half- dozen detectives ran criminal investi- gation. down to the present day, when" a staff of 230 omcials are required to meet the needs of the general public. At the very outset of his remarks, Colonel Price explained that the Gov- ernment had considered it advisable not) to have the new act proclaimed imme- diately. but that it should be held over until conferences could be arranged be- tween headquarters and the various County Councils involved, to decide the best time for its application in their cases. In other words, the act is to come In, county by county. - .. -- n-..-..1 ea,rasr.rgsA ' a. thorough knowledge of why he is walking and what he is walking for. Discipline. he stated, was one of the 4main keys to the improvement of any force, and in this connection he noted "the continuous practices" pursued by General Draper to improve the Toronto force. Urges Support for Draper. Wuuu v.7 ---~~*~ "'h'lt1'e"hGt7i'i'v"?ieGa referred , some length to the trip of investigation made by General Williams last tall to Scotland Yard and Metropolitan Police Headquarters, in old London. and. while unable to reveal the contents of the re- port. the Commissioner had filed with him on his return. he indicated to the House sufficient to leave the understand- ing that the ultimate reorganization which he (Colonel Price) has in mind will be patterned extensively after Brit- ish policing methods. ' Colonel Price painted to the House a striking word-picture of the up-to- date police ofttcer--a man who should "think" as well as mechanically exe- lcute his dutietr--a man who should prosecute, but never persecute-a man who should always give all his infor- mation to the court-a man who can not only walk the peat,.Aut who has "cérdxiEVéiiée repeatedly stressed the need for more eo-operation between the Provincial and county municipal au- thorities. Such co-operatlon had tm- proved greatly in recent years. he stated, but the act before the House would, he maintained, advance that ele- ment by leaps and bounds. Newspaper edltorlal comment had, with few excep- i ,tlons. backed the bill's principle. and it 3 ,behooved the Legislature. he contended. y ito give it equally sympathetic consld- l eration. _ l 'ft' ' a/, . AY b l tref IV-' l"),""',":',,",-,,',-:? l i, UR ' l ! "He" said Colonel Price. in speaking of General Draper, "should have the support of every citizen in carrying out his policy, regardless of what the citi- zen's viewpoint on any matter may be." Ottawa Liberal Thinks It Should Be Sold Like Soda Water PARTY MEMBERS CLASH -' - ---. can-amt}, "E u ULRI' " V . n . ti n sitter it." A vigorous p lea for the cussing" Mr. Pinata said that. "as the corner- of beer as a soft drink and n.'.'. e -stone of the Liberal Party," he could of it in ordinary stores, just like gingepsay that "the Liberals" were EM. ale or soda mg, was made in the, "Cgmer store," Mr. Ferguson sags . geste . Ontario Legislature yesterday after-moron With the section in regard to room- by J. Albert Pinard, Liberal M.P.P. , 2itrttg,? standing for further con- Ottawa East. 3 era 1031. the amendment was passed. His ,appeal for a. wide-open sale or. -""-"-'--------c.'- _ - beer and wine came during a lengthy and vigorous diseussittruymtttLththtt11tg, sot0' And that discussion was one which] ' again mirrored in dramatic fashion the tl "tsplit" in the Liberal group in the,' House, their differences on the liquor.', Muestion. l '"suck to Facts." L i, Por just before the discussion endedt IP. W. Pearson (Liberal, North York), Hook exception to a statement try his colleague. Aurelien Belanger (Liberal; Russell), and practically told his tel-,1 low-member to "stick to facts" in mg speeches. i. , Mr, Pinard told the Government that lit was certainly not selling beet lat cost, "And I want to tell the Gov; Eernment this," said he. "It beer coal _ be purchased without a permit, a would sell less booze. You sh license stores to sell beer Just like water or ginger ale. Try to encou the drinking of soft drinks, and _ to my mind, is a. soft drink." te thought the act should be amended .'" that effect. A _ ' But Mr. Pearson wanted to tell his leolleague that no temperance man ever isald that. and to remind him of "the liacts," which were, said the North 5York* member, that an increase in the farinking of beer and wine is marked by fan Increase in. the drinking of spirits. l "Aw, no, no," said several members. f. The discussion during the considera- ttion of the amendments to the act 'chiefly centred on the proposal to al- low the board to declare a rooming- house to be a public place when 'roomcr. occupant or owner was con- :victed under the L.C.A. Mr. Pinardj objected to the possibility ot penalizing 'all occupants of the house for the ob." tense of one man. He suggested thug it the Government wanted to "get the:. man " it should make a reii%tiiiii) whereby he could be "thrown out of; the house." Or it it was after the? house. why not the New York padlock! law? he suggested. Or if it wanted to: hit the bootlegger and the illegal drink.. er. said he. why not consider the Que- bee regulation. whereby if a man is' caught illegally drinking in a house, :he is liable to seven days in jail? I [ {Conviction for All. "If your group will agree to any- thing." said Mr. Ferguson, "we'll con- sitter it." Mr. Pinata said that. "as the corner- -stone of the Liberal Party," he could _say that "the Liberals" were agreed. ' "Corner store," Mr. Ferguson 5118! gested. in committee was considering the. amendments to the Liquor-Control Act. I When Mr. Pinard referred to the "H of wine. Premier Ferguson observed' "This Government inherited the Vim: situation." As for the price of beer said the Premier, the swarmed wasn't trying to make money out ot K and the price was a matter for the Liquor Control Boardjs t1drninistrtttiorh." Mr. Pinard recalled utterances by tri K. Homuth (Conservative. South Waterloo), He referred to Mr. Homuth as "from Kitchener" or "from Waters loo." "Anyhow, it's all the same." said Mr. Pinard, "the sausage country." Cuts "Mard" Drinking. E. Proulx 'Liberal, Prescott) thought that there would be a reduction in the drinking of liquor it there was . separate permit on which beer and wine might be bought. Mr. Belanger declared that it had been the deduction of temperance peo- ple that the use ot beer and wine "cute' the drinking ot strong liquor. Mr. Ferguson and Attorney-General Price declared that the Government wanted to put the responsibility on the owner of the house to prevent unruly conduct. It was prepared to give consideration to Mr. Belanger's sugges- tion of a revision of the framing of the section. It was also suggested that o Magistrate, rather than the board. he the one who. in view of the conviction in the court, have the say as to whether or not the rooming-house was to be designated as a public place, and this is also being considered by the Gov- ernment. Separate Permits. Mr. Belanger objected to the man- ner in which the amendment was trun- ed. pointing out that. with the house being declared a public place, women who a day before had liquor there legal- ly might all be convicted following the board's ruling.

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