taxes were now fourteen times what they were fifty years ago, while the value of field crops were now $12,-- 000,000 less than they were then. Dealing with the question of re-- distribution, Mr. Sangster suggested that city ridings might be of 100,000 population. "I am not clamoring for my own seat, but it is only fair tha: the rural parts should not lose the m}gll representation they have," he formal address----he commenced his criticism of the Henry Administration. Reading a newspaper clipping to sup-- port his charges of maladministration of relief works in Northern Ontario, and stating that rural Ontario was not receiving its share of the benefits of Hydro--Electric power, the old gentleman with the boyish manner mads his critisism in a gentle, but | sincere way. Others to take part in the debate | were Frank W. Wilson (Windsor | East) and C. A. Seguin (Russell), | Conservatives, and W. J. MacKay ' (Liberal, Bruce South). The twoa for-- _ mer spent most of their time in at-- | tacks on Mitchell Hepburn, M.P., and Hon. Harry C. Nixon, Ontario Liberal and Progressive Leaders. They flayed them for putiing up a campaign oi "villification," and warned the people of Ontario from puttirg on them the responsibilitics of office. Mr. MacKay saw in the present method of handling relief an interference by Provincial authorities in the duties of muncipal Councils. Governments should be able to say "no" to requests, he said, as the in-- crease in taxation was serious when the production values fell off, Rural Increasing taxes, particularly those in rural parts, would stop only when the Governments quit assuming the functions which did not belong to them. "We are trying to do too much," he said. "I do not think that these 'wonderful visions' we have heard about are in the best interests of the country. Some one had a vision that would turn all our forests into pulp and paper and employ every one. For a short time it was all right, but the end was disastrous. The people who went from the farms to work are now on relief." VETERAN OF HOUSE WARMLY APPLAUDED BY EVERY MEMBER Spontaneous Ovation Is Ac-- corded J. A. Sangster, T2--Year--Old Liberal For a fow brief moments yesterday all ssmblance of party politics dis-- appeared from the floor of the On-- tario Legislature. This unusual state of affairs was occasioned when J. A. Sangster (Liberal, Glengarry), the veteran of the Hzsuse, ross from his seat to participate in the debate on the motion to adopt the Speech from the Thronc. _ With every member in the chamber applauding or pounding his desk, the ruddy--faced, bespectacled "2--year--old Liberal was accorded an cvation which surpassed that given any one during the present session. The applauss was spontaneous, pro-- lornged and hearty. Charges Maladministration. MINISTRY IS UNDER FIRE Mr. Sangster, who followed Mr. Seguin, commenced by stating: "I am going to try to speak about the busi-- ncoss of this Provincte. I hops I wili not hav: to siocsp to villifyiag any ons in th'is Housso cr ontside of it. If do I will beg your pardon." He was referring to the addresses of the two Conservatives. Trying to Do Too Much. But it did not unssitle Mr. Sang-- ster. Without comment, and speaking in his accustomed unorthcd x man-- ner--talking rather than making a If the Province wanted to save money, it could better save it by doing away with the Highway' Com-- mission, the members of which went around investigating the roads of the country. The 20 per cent. the counties have to pay toward highways would pay off all their debts, he estimated. Frank W. Wilson, Windsor East, referred to the proposed amendments to the Moratorium Act. Exemption of goods which could not be seized in case of dispossession might be widened, so as to leave people in such circumstances more necessary ar-- ticles. Attacks Relief Line--Ups. "Then there is also imprisonment for debt. I know that it is not called that; it is called contempt of court. But that is something which should be done away with. It happens in courts where only small amounts are involved," he said, and also depre-- cated the fact that people have to line up to get relief supplies. Some method of cbviating this should be found, he said, as it added to the distress of many thrifty hardwork-- ing pecple who, through no fault of their own, had to accept relief. "The honorable member _ from Brant (Mr. Nixon) is still on his perennial subject of the Hydro," con-- tinued Mr. Wilson. "Last year he pounded away for a Commission, and though it was predicted that it would prove to have been unnecessary, he and demand required. That same system was also tried on county and | township roads, but had altogether a | different effect. It, too, created a is still not setisfied, And one of the Judges, Mr Justice Riddell, was appointed to a very important Com-- mission by the Liberal Government, and was at one times mentioned as a Liberal leader for Ontario. Who Gave Authority? True democracy could not exist| where Dominion or Provincial Gov-- ernments exceeded their power over municipal systems, declared Mr. Mac-- Kay. "If any one of our systems goes beyond its authority, or dictates to the lesser ones, it interferes with our per-- | sonal responsibilities. There never has been a time when our Legislativel Assembly and local municipal govern-- : ments were so interlocked as they are | at present," he said. "One cannot | move without interference with thel other, and citizenship becomes dis--| rupted, and people blame the various ' governments for reverse conditions." Uncontrollable Taxes. "We have some evidence of distrust in the non--payment of taxes, or of paying them under protest. One rea-- son for this is that the major por-- tion of our local taxes comes from a step further away from our citizens than used to be in former years. County taxes are so interlockei by the ' Legislative Assembly that they are mostly uncontrollable by County Coun-- ' "I would like to know where Mr. Hepburn and the member from Brant got the authority to shift the Lib-- sral MHouse leadership. Where did the extra--mural leader get the au-- thority to appoint a new intra-- mural leader? No Liberal or Pro-- gressive convention ever approved of it. Did the Liberal convention which elected Mr. Hepburn expect him to deliver the Liberals in the House over to the member from Brant with his party of five?" Mr. Wilson a.ske'd; cils, the very opposite from where they should come from for economy. The closer the administration of ex-- penditures is to the people, the more cheaply always is the service." a "It is an established fact that under the past system of grants to teachers when they were underpaid by school sections, trustees raised the'r salariles, and it is just as true that it brought into the profession a greater supp'!y of teachers than the law of supp'y great army of men who gave up their farm activitiee and went in pursuit of higher wages. But they were sup-- plemented by road machinery which could do cheaper work, and th's great army of road builders became dis-- contented with the Crudgery of their farm work and many of them are row on relief," stated Mr. MacKay. _ _ March 3. Mr. Seguin spent most of his time assailing Messrs. Hepburn and Nixon and asserted that they -- were partly responsible for the absence of Premier Henry and Provincial Treas-- urer Dunlop.. "They were responsible in this: that they added to the burdens of men already carrying h:#avy re-- sponsibilities by bringing into public life a new method of attack, a cam-- paign of vilification and abuse," he said. "But the campaign has not been carried on in this House so much as it has been outside by the Liberal Leader and his lieutenant. Who is directing the force of this Opposi-- tion?" he asked. Mr. Sinclair might be on the Conservative benches, he said, "because that is where Mr. Hep-- burn would have him." Even Mr. Nixon did not have th: courage to stand up in the House and repeat some of the statements made by Mr. Hepburn, he said.