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" . Sam Harris, However J. mm U . , scll drui rges That Regulation t?ffy .11."r . . District. Be Given Trial and r mg"? THOSE OPPOSED SUGGEST FEES Wolves and poaehers--not hunters with dogs-were blamed tor the great slaughter ot deer in Ontario by dele- gates from all over the Province in attendance at Committee on Fish and Game at Queen's Park yesterday. Severe criticism of the law which banned dogs was almost unanimously voiced by iperaers--alone in opposi- tion to these views Being Sam Harris. former President ot the Canadian ttw. I tional Exhibition, who appeared as a privqtteitien. " l Wolves, POachers Blamed in Attack On Deer-Dog Ban All through a morning session and into late afternoon the House Com- mittee heard a dozen spokesmen repre- senting game and fish protective oeso- ciations voice their claims of how the very law that sought to protect the deer was. in effect. bringing about a larger decrease in the herds than could ever come with organized hunt- ing expeditions using dogs. Question of Management. Rising against the wave ot opposi- tion to the law. Mr. Harris pleaded that the regulation be given a three or four year trial. He declared that every hunter. like himself. was 100 per cent. for conservation. but differed as to the means to bring it about. He urged that the hinterland be preserved, as a great playground, and asserted that if Ontario wild life was depleted the tourist trade would cutter im- measurably. He suggested that the whole question was not one of dogs, but ct management by the depart- ment in controlling the areas and passing upon the type ot hunter who went North. ' - .. a . While the dog men fought the law. they agreed that a license fee be placed upon every dog used. and it was urged that only dogs of hound strain he allowed. with police dogs and Airedales strictly prohibited. Then it was asserted and again denied. that dogs brought out mainly the bucks and left the does and lawns back of the chase. But more than one speak- er stated that the killing of does and lawns bad increased and the slaughter of bucks lessened since still-hunting entirely replaced the dog-hunter. Use Fees for Protection. Suggestions for more refuges and preserves. patrolled the year around by department wardens, were also made. Stop the poachinr in the preserves and give the deer a chance 'to breed: license dogs and use revenue tn protect these areas. advocated c. Be . . "Elinor Davis. Kingston, made a most S Given Trial and forceful tfi? tor use of dogs. declar- ing that t in number of wounded deer itete' C h e C k on lost in the bush alone was a sufficient . argument in their favor. "The dog is unters Going North in the bush only 15 days and the deer --------_. ls there 365 days," he pointed out, saying that the. wolf was the mast ROSE OPPOSED destructive force. He decried the A---........_. "an" idea of giving the law a. chqnce for J. Russell ot Waubaushene. Mr. Rus- sell denied a statement that deer tpad a few years, as so many older men would never again have an opportunity to hunt, not being able to tramp the bush in still-hunts. - A _ William Castle. Fruitland. made a. case against the wolf. "The wolf is the great killer we have to contend with-deer cannot escape the wolf in the snow-end in the hunting season any deer can travel four miles to one by a dog, and is therefore not tor- tured by the dog, as it is claimed," he declared. - W. J. Moody, Kitchener. suggested that a tax be put on dogs: that it does and lawns were accidentally shot, they be allowed taken by the hunter, who would pay a " penalty instead of leaving them In the bush; and advocated a $4 license tee toy gamers E5135}; 'ihey Voould legally sell deer hunters. C. K. Gregg, Renfrew, a veteran ot the bush who has hunted Beer for 56 years. told the committee that, while he was content. to be a still-hunter himself. he defended the use of dogs. Dr. C. B. Taylor. St. Thomas, ant; Norm] Lynn, Welland. both expressed opinions favoring dogs, the latter say- ing that he knew of personal knowl- edge that, more does and fawns were being brought down than bucks since dogs were barred. -- - - .. Majsr suggestions laid before the committee try the Ontario Hunters' Game Protective Association included a $40 wolf bounty. a $50 fee for non- resident hunters. an open season for ruffed grouse and spruce partridge in 1933. a. " fee for hunters' dogs. and severe penalties for infractions of game laws. A" Fr" The committee will reconvene morning at 9.30 to hear anglers. wiped out in the Georgian Bay Marek EINCREASE IS SHOWN 3 ill CIVIL SERVICE 6,928 Employed in 1929 and 7,950 Last Year, Says Premier $25,975 TO CUT TREES The number of employees in the' Ontario Civil Service has increased from 6,928 in 1929 to 7.950 in 1932, according to intcrmatlon given in the Legislature yestcvday by Premier Henry in answer to a question placed on the order paper by J. A. Summer (Liberal. Glengarry). - ---- . .. In 1929 there were 2,117 inside civil employees and 4,811 outside; in 1930. there were 2,194 inside and 5.233 outside; in 1931, there were 2,271 in- side and 5,464 outside; while last year the total was 2,312 for inside em- p10y_ees and S,448, for those outgide. The position of Chairman of the Workmen's Compensation Board is a. full-time job, but the Chaim still carries on as an adviser to a. benevo- lent association. t K. Slack (Progres- sive, Dufferin) was informed. His re- ceipts for this advisory service during the past three years totalled $1.600. The total amount advanced to the T. a: N.O. Railway to date is 830,207,- 934, and the Government has been paid $15,088,245 to date by the rail- way. Premier Henry informed R. A. Baxter (Liberal. Oxford South). The amount ot $25,975 was spent for cut- ting and trimming trees on the King's Highways during the. last 1iseal pe, ird'rLrybdid Macaulay informed W. J. Bragg (Liberal. 931113.113); . - Attorney-General Price informed T. A. Blakelock (Liberal, Halton) that the profit of the Liquor Control Board for the fiscal year ending Oct. 31. 1931. was $8,491,663, as compared with $6,632,424 for the same period last year. There was $10,875,000 turned over to the Government for the fiscal year 1931. and $9,905,000 for the last fiscal year. - - " In reply to a query of Hon. H. C.- Nixon as to when a. pronouncement: might be expected on the Dorlandl, matter. Colonel Price stated that he; understood the Police Commission was 1 still taking evidepee, - . . . L "Does that apply to the administra- tion of Justice or police matters?" pur- sued Mr. Nixon. "They are cleaning up the matter before the Police Common. mg l 35931;ng 11551}th is done," replied Colonel Price.