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States Proposal Constituted Shock, [ First witnesses heard today were: | Mr. W. G. Jaffray, President of The | Globe; A. A. McIntosh, Assistant Man-- aging Editor of The Globe: Jameos | Harvie, of Orillia, Mr. McCaughrin's ' solicitor; W. G. Bingham of Orillia, before whom the statutory declaration was signed; and two officers of the Attorney--General's Department. Discussion With Editor. Mr. Jaffray, first to testify, said he had no personal knowledge of the declaration's arrival at The Glob office. He had not seen it before its publication, but he had discussed the matter with Harry W. Anderson, Man-- --aging Editor of The Globe, and now confined to a hospital bed. He be-- lieved the documents were in the committee--room at the present time. Mr. McIntosh, next sworn as wit-- i eceugicin case med Woeh a tasmnl case n a casua mem'ion from Mr. Anderson on, ne believed, the day before publication of the declaration. Later the same after-- noon he had been summoned to Mr. Anderson's office, where three men To the Conservative lawyers of the Private Bills Com-- mittee, Mr. McCaughrin described an interview in the office of Forests Minister Finlayson, at which, he said. it was agreed that his successor in office pay him $2,000 for bis resignation ; he said, too, that his faith in the integrity of the Attorney--General of Ontario was demolished when Mr. Price agreed to the transaction. y Five--Hour Session. \_ were in conversation with The Glob The Ministers'® replies closed a five-- hour session of the committee, which adjourned apparently with the inten-- tion of hearing no more witnesses. Mr. Finlayson said "Absurd" to Mr. McCaughrin's claim he had boen shocked at what he folt was traffick-- ing in office; Mr. Price regretted only that he had not removed Mr. Mc-- Caughrin from office long before. The committee made a long quest on the trail of Danicl McCaughrin's statutory declaration, which was first published in The Giobe six weeks ~s0 and which was brought t> the com-- mittee table by the newspaper's Presi-- dent and Assistant Managing Editor. Authorshin of the declaration was wated to Harry Johnson, Sercretary If the Ontario Liberal Association. At the close of yesterday's sitting Mr. McCaughrin made, and then retracted, a request that Mr. Johnson be called to testify. § petent. "A camouflaged harangue," he said of the Hon. William Finlayson's explanation of the case. "I'll say no more; it's not worth while," he added before Hon. William H. Price t?gtified to "trying to do a kindly thing for an incompetent old man." SUGGESTION TO DESTROY LETTER MADE BY PRICE, IS HIS EVIDENCE Daniel McCaughrin, one--time Police Magistrate of Orillia, stood before a Legislature committee yesterday and detailed his charge of an attempt to buy him out of office. Later he heard two Ministers of the Crown, alleged parties to the attempt, describe him as a money--grabbing incom-- When Hon. William Finlayson Concludes Statement Before Committee Former Orillia Magistrate Rises to His Feet and Calls It "Camouflaged Harangue"--Gives Detailed Account of His Visit to Finlayson Office and Alleged Drawing--Up of Agreement -- Declaration Document Produced by Globe Hence His Protest were in conversation with The Globe editor. These men were Mr. Mc-- Caughrin, HMHarry Johnson and A. W. Roebuck. "In what capacity were they there?" asked Wilfrid Heighington (Conserva-- tive, Toronto--St. David's). "They didn't tell me," replied Mr. MciIntosh; "it was only a casual con-- versation. There was no trial going o:nl ft-here: nobody had to identify him-- " .)0 Mr. McIntosh regretted the un-- avoidable absence of Mr. Anderson, who had ali knowledge of the facts leading up to The Globe's publication of the documents. His own connec-- tion with the matter had been limited to conversations with Mr. Anderson, and to the one incident cited above, when he had been briecfly in Mr. An-- derson's office and had read Mr. Mc-- Caughrin's declaration. Asks Protection of Law. In reply to Mr. Macaulay's question about the present whereabouts of the declaration, Mr. McIntosh said: "I brought the documents herc for the purpose of production and of helping the committee."' He pointed out, how-- ever, that it was not the property of The Globe, but of Mr. McCaughrin, and that it had lain in The Globe's vault since December waiting for the owner to claim it. He asked that pro-- tection before the law be accorded The Globe in transferring the document to the committee. This point was debated at somse length, with lawyer--committeemen contributing largely, until Mr. Mc-- Caughrin, rising at the rear of the committee m, said that he would produce his declaration, Clive A. Thomson, aciing as solicitor for The Globe, argued that the document should be transferred to Mr. Mc-- Caughrin before production. Finally, on Mr. MoCrea's ruling, the declara-- F!.bvv.\\'\l 10 tion was passed over and became Ex-- hibit 1 before the committee. Alterations in the document, sub= sequently proved to have been initial-- led by Mr. McCaughrin, caught Mr. Macaulay's eye. He Asked had the changes been made after the declara-- tion reached The Globe office, bui this Mr McIntosh was unable to state from personal knowledg>. Photostatic Copy. Mr. McCrea asksd: '"Why didr.'i you publish a photostatic copy of the declaration, as you did of the rost of the correspondeasncs, showing the alter-- ations?" Mr. McIntosh--W2 were publishing merely news. Mr. Macaulay----That would have beer '"news" to a lot of people, to know that there had been all these altera-- tions. You mean, of course, that you were publishing the portion of the "news" which built up the case? There were photostatic reproductions of Mr. Price's and Mr. Finlayson's letters. Why did you stop at the declaration? Mr. McIntosh then formally identi. fied two nbages of The Globe--issues of Dec. 22 and 23--and these woere entered as exhibits. Mr. Macaulay--Tell me: Was that front--page story in The Globe Written entirely in The Globe office, or did the "board of strategy'" of the Liberal Party have a skeleton of it alreadyv written for you? ( Mr. McIntosh--I don't krow any reason why we should not. Mr. McIntosh--No one outside The Globs office writss a story of tha' kind. "Reasons" Asked. Mr. McIntosh--I don't know any "board of strategy." IGdon't know that there is such a board. Mr. Macaulay--Don't you know, not only that there is such a board, but also the personnel? Mr. MciIntosh--I am sorry to say, 1 do not. ' Mr. Macaulay--Come now, Mr. Mc-- Intosh, yvou are a newsbaperman--. Junior committeemen pressed for the "reasons'" which led Mr. McCaughrin to submit the declaration. Here again. Mr. McIntosh was unable to answer from personal knowledge. "It is an unfortunate cirecumstance," he said "that I am here instead of Mr. Ar-- derson. who made all arrangements." Mr. Macaulay thought it a more un-- fortunate cirecumstance that The Gliobs did not publish a phctostatic copy o' the declaration itsoelf. '"Don't you think so, now?" he asked. Mr. McIntosh, as a newspapecrman, saw no reason to agree with Mr. Macaulay. "It occurs to me to say," he added, "that if Mr. Macaulay de-- sires us to publish a facsimile ttmor-- row--mistakes and corrections and all --we shall be very glad to do so." photo C. A. Seguin (Conservative, Russell) interfuptcd the testimony to quiz Mr. McIntosh on the latter's knowledage of the difference between a statutory declaration and an affidavil. "I'm not quite sure." admitted Mr. McIn-- tosh. He had been told several times by lawyers, but he was still in the dark on the distinction. Mr. Seguin, a lawyer, painstakingly explained it again. # W,. A. Baird (Conservative, Toronto High Park) attempted to launch a dis-- cussion of the ethics of publishing let-- ters marked "personal and confiden-- tial," but Chairman McCrea himse!i met this point by remarking that the *"*confidential" had applied not to 'WThe Globe, but to the recipient of the let-- ters. Qusestioned by Mr. McCrea, Mr. McCaughrin told the committee he had nct the least cbjection to tabling of the correspondence. -- ' _ "I like The Globe," confessed Mr. McCrea. "I'm only trying to help them."