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Pz-oponents ot the hounds argued that they could locate wounded game which might otherwise be last, and would. by preference. follow a buck. but these statements did not pass un- challenged by the opposition. Dis- sension was also aroused by the prob- lem of how much damage a good chase might do to an escaping deer. Personal testimony and association titions were presented for both sides g the sportsmen meeting with the committee Although the main tenor of the debate seemed to favor the re- turn of the hounds. several spoke in Hvor of the present legislation. All were agreed that any measure should be based on conservation. but whether hounds furthered or lessened progress in that direction proved a moot ques- tion. Sportsmen of Ontario, accepting the ©ttttitattan's invitation to "let the bounds loose." redcbated the merits ot dogs or no dogs during o lengthy sit- Inn; of the men and Game Committee in Queen's Park yesterday. The con- tmversy culminated in an amicable disagreement between Sam Harris (anti-dog) and T. H. Bell (Conserva- tive, Bellwoods). (pro-dog); and the Innouncemem of a bill to re-establish the bounds. sponsored by D. J. Taylor (Progressive. Grey North). like Geneva Parley. The plea made by Mr. Harris In support ot the present regulation ban- ning the use of dogs in deer-hunting. stressed the recent date of the legisla- tion. He asked the hunters to wait until the newly inaugurated statistics gleaned from each deer hunter would tetttity to the exact conditions ot the situation. . William Castle. President ot the Ontario Hunters' Game Prozective Association. suggested as a. compromise that the use of pure-heed beagles and bounds in limited numbers should be permitted. and accompanied by dog license fees and more stringent pro- tection. " never will get over the loan ot dogs in my annuol hunt." Mr. Castle admitted. "As a hunter. 1 would be willing to pay tor the privi- lege of taking my dog with me. and would only take a dog I could be proud of." Mr. Bell commended the pro- posal. adding that the Government might. if necessary. adopt zone closure. Asked to Await Figures. "The ten or twelve years we have been discussing this thing makes me. think of a Geneva disarmament eon- ference." Mr. Harris said, with a smile. Just before the meeting broke up. and . veteran member ot the committee commented more seriously after the session that there had been little evi- deggtpt ner sentimentor opinion._ TRIAL OF BAN IS tmat Bill to Re-establish Their Use Announced by Grey M.P.P. DEER-DOGS BATTLE IS RENEWED AGAIN reek" Gives Kennedy Precedence Over Henry um Case (Conservative. North k) waned over-1y enthusiastic in debate at Queen's Park yesterday. member for North York was laud- mn. T. u Kennedy as "the best Her ot Agriculture Ontario ever l when . tel1ow-tnerntrer inter- . a warning ounment. "Not ex- " Ptmttiee Henry." Mr. Case mean when made aware of his It." The Prime Minister. whose a of humor m visibly stirred by 'tlptrtetete, held the Agricultural ALONG SAME LINES entered the W. the, Mr., . II .lul' I Cl. w. Gravestock of Peterboro' at- tacked the use of fish and game reve- nues tor other purposes. In answer to Mr. Challies's explanation that all fees went into the Consolidated Fund and were dispensed by the Legislature and that fees had not covered expenses during the past two years. Mr. Grave- stock charged that, prior to that time. a large sum of money had been di- lvcricd from game revenue to other (purposes. and that insutBeient re- lstocking had resulted. l An appeal tor the rclssuance ot Iidentifying buttons with gun licenses was also made. Mr. Challles stated gthat the department was giving such .a move careful consideration. but re- 'marked: "The honest sportsman iiiiiiG?i need a button. and the dis- ihonest sportsman and 'pot-ttunter' won't wear it." . Pcssibilities of increased bear hunt- iinst durin't the spring season were also stxzcestcd. Sccres Duck Blinds. Duck shooting tram Humou- tiling?I built in the 'e,i,iialititriftttit, in milton 3:27. or criticim. W. R. Griner o Aldershot protested against this practice. and advocated the abolition ot "batting" in Ontario. Other sportsmen seconded Mr. Griner's attack. charging that expensive blinds were commercializing Ontario game. Thcre was a general expression of opinion oppascd to the "baiting" of durlzs for slaughter. An appeal for an extension or change in date of the partridge sea- son. with the same bag limits. was also madc.'and termed by Hon. George H. Challics. Minister of the depart- ment, a most. reasonable suggestion. lbvwdf pompeqt held next week. plan of produetion control. Growers on the delegation included Mr. chthes. H. A. Freeman of SW J. F. McKay. A. S. Card of T111501? burg. J. K. Perritt of Simcoe and J. P Vair ot Tillsonburg. They were - sured tha tthelr brief would meeire full consideration. and the commit"? was notifled of another meeting to be 5. Publication of the Sutherland re- port in full. (Under the Mines Act the late Hon. Donald Sutherland investigated the industry. His report never has been released., tt. Pull Government support for any plan of productlm control. . . _a" ing the actual state of the industry. 4. Investigation of the distribution of the consumer's dollar. - -Tf." EiirantrrTG?" Dominion legisla- gcn similar to the British Marketing et. emment to place an embargo _on 'United States seed tobacco. said to carry plant discase. _ .. The deputation's brief annualized the recommendations as follows: l. Full investigation of the whole tobacco industry. 2. Publication ot detailed statistic: showing the different types of tobacco --domestic and imparted-used 1n Canada, and also the stocks of all tobacco held by manufacturers. 3. Publication' of all ing the actual state [ gliEllln DOLLAR UNFAIRLY DIVIDED, GROWERS COMPLAIN Tobacco Producers Claim Manufacturers' Share Too Large Finally. the deputation blibmil-ted a brief which. if the committee au- proves, will form the basis of a Pro- vincial submission to the Stevens Committee " Ottawa. Eight Recommendations. "The low price paid doesn't permit the producer to live." maid Mr. Scythes. "while manufacturers' moms are unimpaired." _ DELEGATION IS HEARD United States figures. said to be indicative of conditions in Canaan as well, showed that last your the growers received $68.000,000. while manufacturers' profits were 8146.000.- 000. This proved the reversal of the 1923 situation. when growers got 8170.000.000 and manufacturers' prof- its were 880.000.000. coming season. "It is essential that we get those figures." said Mr. teythes. "They have been perused. to my knowledge. by one manufactur- er. and possibly by the ret."" Distribution of the smoker's dollar was the chief concern of a delegation from Ontario's tobacco country which yesterday received a sympathetic hearing from a Legislature subcom- mittee under the Chairmanship ot Captain Austin Smith. member to: Ibsen: South. The delegates complained that too large a share of that dollar was going to expand manufacturers' profits and too small a part to diminish pro- ducers' losses. The average of " cents a pound received by "flue- cured" growers last year was less than produetion cost, said E. C. Scythe; at Bimeoe, while one manufacturer's net profits were greater than the total price paid tor all tobacco purchased in Western Ontario. In Dark as to Surplus. Secrecy on the manufacturers' part handicapped the growers. the Cone mittee was told. Farmers knew that A0,000,000 pounds of last year's crop still remained in their own hands; but they had no knowledge ot the stocks held at tobacco factories. Without this information. growers wereinthedarkastotheacreage they would be wise to plant for the 6. Petitioning of the Dominion Gov- statistits show- 5' ts'. [tii