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*'Would You Fire Gaby?" . Queries Finlayson of Oppositionists ATTACK ON HEPBURN BY-- HYDRO ENGINEER ALLEGED BY NIXON POLL FRONT--BENCHERS Ranging along Opposition Front benches in quest of pro-- mouncements on Mitchell Hep-- burn's "Fire Gaby" policy. Hon. William Finlayson last night drew the counter--charge that Hydro's Chief Engineer had devoted three pages of 2 pamphlet to a personal attack on Mr. Hepburn. Minister Assails Hepburn for f His "Big Parade" Speech The Minister of Lands and Forests reached the climax of his violently wolitical speech in the Legislature with quotations from Mr. Hepburn's Saturday address, in which the On-- tario Libaral Leader ?roch.lmvsd thas T. A. Gaby would lsad "the big parade" of dismissed civil servants when the change of Government who had given his life to Hydro, as "Ontario's finest civil servant," and ms "the greatest authority of his kind in the world," Mr. Finlayson first shot tlme question at Dr. George A. Mc-- came after the election. *"Would you Gismiss Mr. Gaby? Do you agree with Mr. Hepburn's effusion oi last night?" ie e _ Dr. McQuibban replied: "I never wrote a specech for Mr. Hepburn, and mo cne ever wrote mine." _ "I don't want to embarress you Wurther," commented Mr. Finlayson. "At any rate you said nothing of the Mr. Finlayszson next directed h's quory at Hon. Harry Nixon. | _ FPamphlet Attack Alleged. "Mr. Gaby gave three pages of his pamphilet to a personal attack on Mr. Impburn," _ said _ the Progressive Leader "If he doesn't want to be attacked, let him refrain from doing '3." When the question was put to him, Dr. L. J. Simpson, financial critic' for his group, responded with another question: "Do you still approve of a $30,000 salary for Mr. Gaby?" he asked the Minister. Mr. Finlayson, while disclaiming knowledge that such a salary was pa'd, believed that Mr. Gaby was worth "thirty, fifty or a hundred thousand to Hydro. A few more foolish attacks of that kind, and some big corporaticn will succeed in gotting his services." Dr. Simpson then declared himself »s agreeing that Mr. Gaby should be g'smised if h» had made the attack ©1 Mr. Hepburn. Liberal Whip C. 4& Trabertson did not answer the question when it was put to him. "Killing Party," He Says. "Loose, wild talk" by 'he Leader--at-- Targe was "killing the Liberal Party," said Mr. Finlayson. 'He was coulria?ed | st2 14 TB 3 1 2A M Aicmintenes Aucaintntt P that the reaction of every Opposition member to Mr. Hepburn's latest speech was: "He's off again." He had no quarrel with the Leader's an-- nounced intention to remove Commis-- sloners Cooke and Meighen from Hydro office. They were aciive poli-- ticlans, schooled to the breaks of the game, although he did think it "small potatoes" for Mr. Hepburn to say that Mr. Cooke once had been a cheese-- maker at $20 a week. Dr. Simpson tried unsuccessfully to pin the Minis-- ter down to a s.atement that he had no objections to the removal of Mr Cooke and Mr. Meighen. _ V As for C. Alfred Maguire, the other Commissioner who was to participate in the "big parade," no political bias could be charged against him, said Mr. Finlayson. Mr. Maguire repre-- sented the municipalities on the Com-- mission,. and. so far as he knew, once had belonged to '*he other side" in politics, His chief protest against Mr. Hepburn's spseech, however, was the threat against civil servants who had gives their whole lives to the upbuild-- ing of Hydro. Retorts on Critics. Mr. Finlayson, in the course of his two--hour speech, raked over the coals a half--dozsn of the Opposition con-- tributors to the dGebate. Ho granted that Dr. Simpson, the critic, had been reasonable, but argued that any ex-- ponditure on relief was commendable. 'The Minister agreed that this was a du'll session, with a whole series of Opposition speeches centring around "me and my riding," and no appre-- clation of the wide interests of the Province as a whole. He claimed that the Opposition onslaught E\ad 'gmg'mt; ed in the main to speeches by T. P. Murray (Liberal, Renfrew North), whose "wild talk" he wished the House Leador would restrain; by T. . Slack (Progressive. Dufferin), who ob-- jected because he had failaxd to "pass off a shady loan" on the Farm Loan Board; by N. O. Hipel (Liberal, Water-- loo South),. whose demand for farm insurance revision _was "prompted by a desire to soll more barns to the farmer"; by W. G. Medd (Progressive. Huron South), "who finds the school system all wrong because he has a couple of tsachers in his family"; by Hon. Harry Nixon, the "big dairyman from Brant, with a tale of wose about| the milk industry"; and by J. A. Sang-- | ster (Liberal, Glengarry), *"whose, Scots soul revolted because he had to pay a fraction of a cent more for the light in his store than the storekeeper across the Quebec boundary paid." Murray Attacked. Mr. Murray claimed, said Mr. Fin-- layson, that there had been a **$100.-- 000 hand--out" from the Forest Depart-- ment in a township, and now the Min-- ister found that the timber lands in that township were under license to Mr. Murray's firm, which was in ar-- Mr. Murray's firm, which was in Ar-- rears to the department and had re-- ceived Government assistance. Calling on Dr. McQuibban to silence his fol-- lower, the Minister said: "He's saying either too much or too little." Mr. Murray was not in the House last njgm. : Li oK PF 14. l &# 1. al» ©A4ky * 0+ The "bad loan" which Mr. Slacki had tried to "foist on the Govern-- ment," said the Minister, had been in connection with an estate the Pro-- gressive member was "trying to wind up in a hurry so that he could get| his fee as executor." Mr. Slack pro-' tested strongsly against the charge. Mr. Finlayson also retorted to Mr. Slack's charge that Government as-- sistance was being withheld from the Barrie Co--operative packing plant. An ex--member of the Legislature wanted to "let his whole family camp on that plant," said Mr. Finlayson, and the Government had« found its affairs in a deplorable state. He re-- called that Miss Agnes Macphail had "told the lats Prime Minister of this Province what she thought of the whole proceedings." On the whole, said Mr. Finlayson, the Opposition, with few exceptions, had contributed _ "ugly. maliciocus speeches, wasting hour after hour on netty. local things." March 14 Congratulates Stevens. Affirming his endeavor to make constructive suggestions to the Gov-- ernment, S. C. Tweed devoted his con-- tribution to the Budget debate to com-- ment on present and proposals for future Provincial action. The Liberal: member in--luded in his speech con-- gratulations to Hon. H. H. Stevens, Dminion Minister of Trade and Com-- merce, for the present investigation, particularly into the furniture manu-- facturing industry, of which, after re-- ferring to high pressure sales cam-- paigns and big store buying methods, he stated: "I suggested to the Gov-- ernmeont at that time (March, 1933) ithat the high--powered sales and ad-- vertising methods, instalment selling, and the offer of credit through public advertising, are a detriment to this Province." Mr. Tweed's main fire on the Gov-- ernment was relegated to a paragraph in which he stated that the real rea-- son for the alleged surplus was the d:preciation of the American dolliar. Estimating that Gepreciation had saved the Province from one to two million dollars in exchange, the Lib-- eral member claimed that approxi-- mately 75 per cent. of the bonds call-- ing for New York payment are held in Canada by Canadians, "who had no moral right" to the exchange. He sug-- gested that the Government should serious!ly consider discontinuing New York payment to bondholders who are Canadian residents. |U' UIRV AZRNTWARETR ARMWEDCCIIICOC ' _ _In conclusion, Mr. Tweed praised i the Minister, whom he described as "in charge of the least political de--. partment of all the Government's ac-- tivities, the Minister of Agriculture." . Credit for the export of bacon, in turn increasing the price of hogs, was as-- cribed to Colonel Kennedy. ! A. H. Acres (Conservative, Carle-- _1 ton) called for further assistance to. | agriculture. Cattle testing, he said, |had raised the standard of Quebec buttor to the point where it was ac-- ceptable to the British market, while Ontario was lagzging in this respect. | The -- Eastern _ Ontaro memser criticized Opposition failure to co-- oparate for the good of Ontario, and 'oh-a.llvenged Mr. Nixon to name any | | one constructive policy he had advo-- '_| cated in eleven years, Touching on the relief problem, he advised the Government to st'mulate the construction industry. In w&- The member for Waterloo North was dubious about the trans--Canada High-- way advantages and critical of North-- ern development expenditures. _ _ plan. The management of relief should be taken out of the hands of the Municipal Councils, he said, claiming that at present "the average person on relief is subject to the whims of the various members of the Municipal Councils." s P The Liberal member repsated his claim that relief costs could be re-- duced one--third by handling all ac-- tivities on the wholesale or warehouse For the permanent solution of un-- employment, Mr. Tweed suggested a Province--wide program, which would place 10,000 families on small farms in Old Ontario during the coming spring and summer. He advised an expenditure of $2,000 per family, holding that it has been established in recent months that the Province could borrow the necessary money at a low rate of interest. Lumber companies in arrears for tim-- ber dues should be permitted to pay lumber in lieu of the amounts owing, he suggested. _ pevay € ."Av't:;;';)h' hotel accounts, meals and hard liquor was again recommended by the Liberal mezr.lyer. C n | 24 4 Th 74 6.s.c0trtedinecfatectatiated EP PmE vancinge & loans conversion plan, he . believed bondholders would be willing to accept a reduction in their inter-- , est rat». "There must be a reorganiza-- tion of the money interests," said Mr. Acres. He aavocated bimstallism, with a hint of agding nickel to the currency bases. J. A. Sanigster, Liberal -- member from Glengarry, moved at midnight for the agjournment of the ccbate ; and will be first speaker Thursday. / proposails for The Liberal : ; speech con-- . s Stevens.\ ada and Cam--