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PRIVATE MEMBERS GONTINUE DEBATE IN LEGISLATURE Ontario Leaders, Except Hon. Charles McCrea, Are Silent Political attacks and contrasting wiews of public conditions were vol-- :c'yed back and forth across tihe floor the Ontario Legislature yesterday as members of the Government and Opposition alternated with speeches on the Budget. It was, asid> from & speech by the Hon. Charles McCrea, Minister of Mines, a day in which debate was almost completely rele-- gated to the rank--and--file member-- ship, Ministers and the Opposition Leaders even refraining to a great extent from interjecting comment or contradiction. MINISTER IS OPTIMISTIC The Conservative bannor was also upheld by A. C. Calder (Conservative, Kent West), who predicwd the dawn of a new day of social legislation, by C. A. Seguin (Conservative, Russ>ll), who as one of the handful of French-- Canadian members, compared the finances of Ontario and Quebec, and by F. V. Laughton (Middlesex, North). On the Liberal side, J. A. Sangster. Liberal member for Glengarry, opened the fire with an explanation of his Hydro charges, and comments on Pro-- vincial finance Gelivered in an in-- imitable style. D. C. Campbell (Lib-- eral, Kent East) analyzed the financial record of the Conservatives during the last ten years, and T. A. Blakelock (Liberal, Halton) drew contrasts be-- tween Drury and Conservative fin-- ances, and cited errors in government administration. J. A. Sangster, the Liberal "Man from Glengarry," opened us speech on the Budget with a request to the Speaker that, if he should vilify any-- body or anything, "you just call me down." Beginning by citing the bacon statisiics for September, "you know that's the season of the year when the little pigs are just getting on," the 3--year--old veteran claimed that Canadian conditions had done much to influence the price, mentioning the advisability of nolding the large buy-- ing houses down to some reasonable basis of profit. "Government expenditures should be cut down," the member for Glen-- garry declared. Reminding the House of power from Gatineau, he again cited more favorable Quebec rates. The diffterence was not great, he ad-- mitted; still, on the one side were these private corporations, ana uu uie other a fixbllc utility. But, the man from Glengarry insisted, '"it was wrong to say I was trying to make any comparisons; it wasn't right and proper." $ k. J Terming the Budget "a question that we should pick up," Mr. Sangster enumerated the major items of reve-- nue, pausing to comment, in reference to the total income of $2,676,000 from lands, forests, and "those blessed mines," that there was something wrong. Mr. Sangster stressed the pre-- ponderance of liquor control and high-- way receipts. "As far as the Liquor Control Board is concerned, I don't know much about i#," he admitted, "but they are switching the money collected from the highway to other purposes." The high price of gasoline came in for criticism, and a compari-- son with allegedly lower prices south of the international line. "The 'gas' companies are bleeding the people of Canada," he said, "to some exten®." "There's surely something wrong in the Lands, Forests and Mines busi-- ness," the member declared. "I see the Ministers winking over there; $2,-- 676,000 is not enough." mere | said 1 -- Co | ever-- Nort] price only nottc i tha l?\ mwse s1 vGZRL CIIV «rITGIC XIL ETUNZARERAWE y CRRTCA ATRCCACY as today, the bonds were attractive because of both security and high in-- terest rates, "the flow of money will be from industrial enterprises." This, in turn, he claimed, means the clos-- ing of industrial doors, an increase in unemployment and eventually & greater charge on the Provincial 'Treasury for relief ernment bonds and in particular the recent $40,000,000 flotation, Mr. Campbell argued that under provail-- ing conditions the interest rates of new bond issues are too high and shculd be cut. A Government bond, he reasoned, should be attractive only from the angle of security, and when, breut ccura pority Deobt The Conservative clain that in-- creass in debt has boon caused by the arquisition of revenu>--»roducina as-- sots was considered and the member surmised, "Now if such wore the case to the extent that they would have us believe it is, I would think that after ten years of this policy the rev-- enues would be pouring into th2 Pro-- vincial Treasury."" The condition of th> Province. he ccontonded. cculd be gauged by the gonsral credit of its most imporiant industry. agriculture, and from this lin> of reasoning the Liberal membeor drow n> cheerful conctusions. Taking up the financing of Gov-- ing in a ng on the ennetlt's t Mindsight 1 caid Mr. * to wagor ould give ; al reputati March 110 IIVMAL NHL ALMCAOININy PSC" aEal Et i OE C member said, was realizing his re-- sponsibility as "his brother's keeper," and would be willing to do his bit by having his interest nate lowered. Analyzing, in conclusion, the pres-- ent debt of the Province, Mr. Camp-- bell admitted that about half of the $592,000,000 is or should be revenus-- producing. In raference to ancother $250,000,000 spent on highways and public buildings, he Geclared that while such expenditures were of pub-- lic value, no income or revenue is directly available for repayment of the public debt. "In some cases," refer-- ring to highways, he claimed, "the second pavement is laid and, as far as I can see, very little, if any, provision mac» for paying for the first one." The member for Halton reminded the Conservatives that four years of the world's worst depression had changed the public into serious minded citizens, who in the struggle for neces-- sities are anxiously searching for a soluticn that will better their con-- dition. Figures Are Quoted. * *Opening the body of his speech with an itemized contrast between Drury and present Government fi-- nancing, the Liberal member pointed, cut that the Department of Lands and! Fcrests had produced greater revenue, cperating at a lower cost of adaminis-- traticn in 1922 than in 1933. f Particular criticism was directed at the third highway through the coun-- ties of Halton and Psel, the member predicting that the Cumty Councils would hsar no more absut the high-- way before the election. Remarking that we must scon fac> "our masters, the people," the member for Halton charged the> Government memb>rs had followed their leader liks shesp. When the ballots are counted, he predicted, the mantle of leadership would fall on the shoulders of Mitchell Hcepburn. The member for Halton drew the attention of the House to several in-- stances of situations which he folt should be remedied. Chicf of these was the practice of a middleman's sale besween -- farmer and Government, which, the member said, he had un-- asrstood was being carried on in the purchase of live stock for the abatioir Political patronage exsmplificd in Government advertising in frisndly county papers was cricicized, and the member remarked on the ability of a C:nservative supporter to cbtain a good Governmental job. "S> we might proceed with depart-- ment after department," Mr. Blakelock comment:d, although denying that hs was holding any brief for the Drury CGovernment. ar the Guselph Reformatcry. Critical of Papers. T. A. Blakelock, who made the last Liberal contributicocn to the Budget debate last night, began with a para-- graph twitting the Conservatives, who "in 1926 sallied forth as X® 'political Moses,' and modestly acclaimed that the Province had been rescued from the precipice of insolvency," and "in 1929 again came out in their tally--ho with trumpets sounding and more liguid refreshments." _ n eries. he pointed out, while a marked increase in educational administration costs could be explained by increases in salaries not cfiset by a decrease in rural grants. The Liberal member commented that counties had paid their share of the financing of h'ghways either in ; cash or in comnaratively short termed | dobentures. On the other hand, he ' charged that of the present highway revéenue of $20,000,000 only $3,000.000 | woent to the credit of the highways. | In these figures he was countered by | the Premier, who named other lmesl of disbursement. | Mr. Campbell compared the Pro-- vincial financing with tir records of cities, towns and townships, endeav-- oring to fimance their municipalities in a safe and sane manner. "I think the Government has erred consider-- ably," he declared, "for I cannot find that it has don> much systematically to reduce these highway expenses." _--Th> same thing was fourd trus in the Department of Game and Fish-- the Liberal