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pis "Let us have some authentic docu-- mentary evidence from these Hydro engineers," challenged the Conserva-- tive member.. "Are the Hydro en-- gineers in accord with the policies of the Government? Do they agree with Chairman Lyon's statement and the Attorney--General's state-- ment that the present standby of 120,000 horsepower is safe operation practice? "We know all about these pro-- jects. They are not new. Hydro engincers have been estimating on them for years. But heretofore Hydro engineers have considered them all rather expensive peak load projects, which would be justified some day to augment the systems which already were using large quantities of cheap base load power In other words, Hydro engineers acclaimed that cheap Quebec power, with its high load factor, wour!l provide cheaper and more kilowatt-- hours for the money than any of the previously mentioned projects." "He either knows as little about Hydro as a cub reporter, or he is playing the worst kind of politics with Hydro that we have ever seen,." cvharged Mr,. Challies, referring io Mr. Lyon. Chairman Lyon was charged with making "a lot of wild statements." with "playing politics," and with giving out "some phoney" figures in vonnection with Hydro affairs. "The calibre of this man was ex-- posed in the action he brought against the previous Commissioners and the former Chief Engineer. The whole of the charges were a frame-- ip and were exposed by the courts." sees Damage to Trade. Turning to the repudiation meas-- ues Mr. Challies declared that by ropudiating the Quebec contracts, "instead of modifying them as hon-- '"There are some things the At-- tornev--General can do to enlighten the House. He could, for instance. bring to this House signed state-- ments by the Hydro engineers, sub-- stantiating his claims. He claimed that cheap Quebec power was un-- wanted. Now he tells us of the Ogoki scheme, developing Mada-- waska, develotping Ragged Rapids and increasing the flow to Decew Falls," Charges "Wild Statements." "Have Hydro engineers changed their minds?" asked Mr. Challics 'If so, let the House hear their igned statements." The former Provincial Secretary's challenge was allowed to pass with-- out comment from the Attorney-- General, who also kept silent when his colleague, the Hydro Commis-- slon Chairman,. was subjected to a terrific attack by Mr. Challies, Wants Signed Statement. Calling upon Chairman Stewart Lyon to resign from the Commis-- sion "because of his political activi-- ties," George H. Challies (Cons., Grenville--Dundas) yesterday in the Legislature challenged Attorney-- General Roeobuck to bring into the lHouse a statement signed by the Hydro engineers backing up the Commission's claim of sufficient re-- serve and standby power, CHAIRMAN A T T ACKED Challies Challenges Roe-- buck to Projuce En-- gineers' Affidavit That Ontario's Power Reserves Found Adequate Lyon's Resignation Asked After Charge Of Political Activity of reducing peak load was to cut (If water heaters, he said. This 'as Illegal, he claimed, because in the agreement signed between the Toronto Hydro and the Provincial Committee there was a clause a-- wing Toronto to cut off water heaters during the peak after a period of five years had expired. "his period did not expire until 1©38, ii _ was written on? Of Frank 'CGonnor, the betrayer of the pub-- 'ic school supporters? Of the one--> 'ime Minister of Northern Develop--' mont (HMon. Peter Heenan), who «0k a pot of gold to Northern On-- tarlo and let it evaporate into thin i'vr? Of Lewis Duncan, who was ropudiated on the floor of this llouse by the Prime Minister? Of me Attorney--General, whose Hydro \gislation has been rejected by the urts? Of the Minister of Agri-- culture (Hon. Duncan Marshall), who stated that Abitibi was a pile ol junk. and whose appraisal of poawer plants is on a par with his ~praisal of bulls? "All great brain trusters," com-- »--nted Mr. Challies, "but the Prov-- '{ce hasn't seen any evidence of| ains in Hydro's affaiprs in On--| rlo's one--man Government." l Vower Shortage Seen. : The Conservative member charg-- 1 that the Hydro was iMlegally | «ontrolling its peak in an effort t« show how little Quebec power | was needed. The City of Toronto voltage had been illegally dropped -- l~om 120 volts to 105 volts to hold e peak down. Another method "Any body who knows anything i1 a@al about Hydro operations can soe at a glance that the Hydro i: ~hort of power," declared Mr. Chai-- lies., "We all know that an ice jam i+ Nlagara would immediately re-- uce the generating capacity of the ~lagara plants by 100,000 h.p. Sup-- posing we do get through the win-- ler without an ice jam, and there is no major breakdown, what will be the power reserves? Chairman Lyon's figures, which do not give a true picture of the situation, show there was an increase of 73,. 000 h.p. in primary power over last year. And industry is picking up rapidly. This year we shall see an. lother 65,000 h.p. and probably an $5,000 h.p. increase. Is it not evi-- dent that the normal increase, without emergency increases, wil} soon absorb our present standby of 120,000 h.p.?" «it men would have aone," the Gov-- e~--nment had destroyed large poten-- U!'al industries in Ontario;: had de-- Jan uaryy; 28 "oyed a tremendous volume of| nler--Provincial trade and had GS': tablished in Quebec a large power | irplus to enable industry to flour= | i h in that Province at the expense | ---- Ontario. | "I would like to ask the House, | vhere are the Prime Minister and| s yes--men leading the Province| ith regard to his Hydro policy? ho is this brain trust the Prime inister spoke of in Delta, July, 37 Is it composed of A. G. aght, whose legal advice was und by Maclaren--Quebec bond-- »lders not to be worth the paper CHANGE S URGED Would Have Elections Paid For From a Special Fund CAMPAIGN FUNDS RAPPED "Sick and Disgusted" With Practice, Declares Lib-- eral Member Declaring he was "sick and dis-- gusted" with the practice of poli-- tical parties in accepting financial aid from contractors, large corpora-- tions and other organizations, J. H. Clark, Liberal member for Wind-- sor--Sandwich, told the Legislature last night that an appropriation from public funds should be made for the political parties to pay elec-- tion expenses, The Windsor member did not spare the Liberal party in his casti-- gation. HMe bluntly expressed the view that it was time "this sort of thing was stopped in the interests of good and sound Government, free from entanglements." "Both major political parties have been accepting money from large firms, contractors and others, ever since their parties started," said Mr. Clark, when William Duck-- worth, Conservative member for Dovercourt, interrupted to ask what he knew about the Beauharnois contribution. "Why try and make out that this is a rare thing?" demanded Mr. Clark. "I don't know anything about the Beauharnois money. I didn't handle any of it. But I do know that both the Liberal and Conservative parties have been ac-- cepting large sums from big' inter-- ests, And don't think the Con-- servatives didn't get any from Beauharnois. But they weren't caught. "I am sick and disgusted with the whole business," the Liberal member said. "There should be ap-- propriations made for both parties to pay their election expenses."