The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 24 Mar 1937, p. 3

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Hon. Mr. Nixon, after momentary consultation with Hon. Paul Leduc, Minister of Mines, jumped to his feet, and demanded that the Chair-- man of Committee in Supply (Major James Clark, Lib.,. Windsor--Sand-- wich) rule as to the parliamentary permissibility of Mr. Henry's state-- ments. Major Clark ruled they were unparliamentary, and that the Opposition Leader withdraw them. Mr. Henry refused. _ "I am glad to have this informa-- tion," declared the Opposition Leader, "because the Prime Minis-- ter for two years has been deliber-- ately misleading or attempting to mislead the people of this Province. You (Dr. Simpson) are sitting idly by assisting him in this nefari-- ous . . ." His last word was drowned out in the roar of protest from the Liberals. Mr,. Hoenry went on to say that Mr. Hepburn had been "hiding facts." Ruled Unparliamentary. On a registered vote of 47--13 the Ontarto Legislature late last night upheld a ruling of Speaker Hipel ordering Opposition Leader George 8. Henry to withdraw statements that Premier Hepburn "for two years has been deliberately misleading or attempting to mislead the people of this Province" on the question of separate school grants, and that his 'Mlnlster of Education, Hon. Dr. L ,J. Simpson, had been "sitting idly by, assisting him in this nefarious practice," The situation developed when the House was considcring the estimates of the Minister of Education, and Mr. Henry drew from Dr. Simpson what he labelled admissions that there had been nothing irregular with the Henry Administration's schools grants system, although the Prime Minister had repeatedly ac-- cused that Administration of in-- creasing grants to separate schools and decreasing grants to public schools in his last years in office. The Liberals booed again. Mr. Nixon moved the House back into Committee of Supply; the Speaker left the throne, and the stormy inci-- dent ended. "I bow to your ruling, Mr. Speak-- er, of course," said Mr. Henry, "but the people of Ontario know what the facts are." Boos from the Liberal benches greeted this sally. "I never knew of a more offen-- sive term having been applied to the Premier," said Mr. Nixon. "Aw, go on," clicked the Con-- servative benchers. "What about what your Prime Minister said of the Opposition this morning?" "1 think this thing has gone far enough," protested Hon. Harry C. Nixon, who was leading the House at the time. "Let the Leader of the Opposition withdraw his state-- ments." Immediately after the division had been taken, Mr. Henry rose slowly to his feet and expressed wonder whether in case he did not withdraw his utterances he might be sent to Whitby, "along with others who interfere with members of the Gov-- ernment." Suggests He Would Be Sent to Whitby if He Refused BOWS TO DECISION Legislature Supports Ruling "Then," said Mr. Nixon, white-- SEES HEPBURN MISLEADING | THE PEOPLE of Speaker by Vote of 47 to 13 to Accede Leader of the House, he could do nothing about it. A moment or two later Provincial Secretary Nixon siepped into his seat, and Mr. Acres put the same question 10| him that he'd put to Dr. Simpson. ; "We are going to sit hore andl complete the education estimates if we have to sit here all night," was Mr. Nixon's abrupt retort. "I'm fairly fresh," said Dr. Simp-- son. . "I'm for this item standing over," declared Mr. Henry. "Or we'll talk all night." A. Hollis Acres (Cons., Carleton) appealed to the fair play of the Min-- ister of Education. "Let the item sland over," he said. Mr. Heighington also asked that the item be set over because it vitally affected the principle of the Government's schools tax legislation for which the Opposition sought repeal, and which would be under further debate later today. Dr. Simpson said that personally he was agreeable to the request, but, imasmuch as he was not acting "Go ahead," Dr. Simpson shot back. Would Ssit All Night. At 12.30 this (Wednesday» morn-- ing the Opposition was stil} main-- taining its close interrogation of the education estimates. Jn an item of nearlyv $4,000,000 for school grants Mr. Henry appealed to Dr. Simp-- son to let it stand over. "Why not do that?" he asked. "Wo'll not pass this item for hours." "I did not use the words at-- tributed to me," replied Mr. Hepry, "and it is not possible for me to withdraw because I have reasons to believe and am in a position to know what 1 said, consequently I must appeal from your ruling, Mr. Speaker." On Education Estimates. In view of the fact that the Leader of the Opposition declined to repoat what he had said, de-- clared Speaker Hipel, he would have to support the report as pro-- senled by the committee Chairman and rule accordingly. "I ask the Honorable the Leader of the Op-- position to withdraw,." he said. Wilfrid Heighington (Cons., St. David) _ interrupted the Speaker with a question: "We have avail-- able in this House a Committee on Privileges and Elections, and wouldn't it be the gracious thing to do tonight to refer this matter to this committee toa detormine if anything offensive has been said. We might do somethingzg here to-- night," he added, with a veiled ref-- erence to the Price vote of censure of a year ago, "we might regret next vear." "Rot," said a Liberal back-- bencher. "I ask you to rule," put in Hon. Mr. Nixon. Speaker Hipel asked Mr. Nixon and Major Clark, in turn, for their account of the language used by the Opposition Leader. It was given. He then asked Mr. Henry what he had said, but all Mr. Henry would say was, "The committee has reported to vou." Mr. Speaker: "What has the Min-- ister of Education to say?" Conservatives Admonished. The -- Conservatives burst into laughter, and the Speaker prompt-- Ivy admonished them for their hilarity. '"This is no laughing mat-- ter," said he. Major Clark stood before Speaker Hipcl and recounted the situation. "Is that a fair recollec-- tion of what you said? I want to be fair," he said, turning toward Mr. Henry. "No, but you're the one gwklng the report," Mr. Henry shot ack, faced and angry, "I will move that the committee rise and report the incident to the Speaker." "If the Councillors think they are not getting enough they hav. power to increase the amount," said Mr. Baker. Morgan Baker (Lib.. North York) led the opposition to the measure 'The people of North York, he claimed, felt that something was being "foisted upon them" by the Councillors. 'The proposal was contained in a clause of a bill respecting York County. The $300 would have re-- placed the per diem allowance now given to the Councillors. The bill had been reported by the Legal Bills Committee and had the sup-- port of Hon. David Croll. The proposal to pay York County Councillors $300 per year was de fcated in the Ontario Legislature yesterday by an overwhelming majdrity. Legislature O pposed to $300 Gratuity for York Councillors Salary Plan Is Defeated "On a busy week--end," said Mr. Macaulay, "manv of them undoubt-- ~dlv swear out a hundred or more inform»tions. Don't you think it wou!d be better to pav them, say a M~t rate of 85 a dav?" "I certainlv do, if what vou sav is correct," deciared Mr. Poebn»"k, "Will you look into it them?" "I certainlyv will." "Fifty cents in municipalities where there are a number of them," said Mr. Roebuck. *"Seventy--five cents, outside." '"What is the fee allowed these Justises of the Peace?" he asked Mr. Roebuck. The matter was raised in the House by Leopold Macaulay, for-- mer Minister of Highways, when the Attorney--General's estimates for the forthcoming fiscal year were under consideration. An answer { the Attornev--Ceneral's that most Justices of the Peace appointments in Ontario at the present time were nurely honorary, resulted in Mr. Macaulavy exposing the alleged Fore:t Hill state of affrirs. Attorney--General. Roebuck told the Legislature last night that he would investigate reports that Jus-- tices of the Peace in Forest Hill collected around $50 a day from swearing information in connection with speeding and other Highway Traffic Act offences. SWEAR -- INFORMATIONS Roebuck Will Investigate Allegation Against Forest Hill Officers HARGES J.P.'S GFT $50 A DAY

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