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In the former Premier's speech on the Budget debate there came a sharp exchange between Colonci George Drew and Hon. Dr. IL.. J Simpson, Minister of Education. 1 arose when Mr. Henry scored the department for having, as he claimed, introduced the new study courses -- providing for vocational guidance before the teachers were properly trained to give guidance to the pupils. "We are getting so much in the curriculum," he declared, "that if a boy doesn't like arithm»-- tic, for example, he doesn't have to take it." mier Hepburn, as he held that the $21,286,000 in interest paid in 1954 had been reduced to $20,543,000 in 1937. "I think that is an improve-- ment," he told Mr. Henryv. "The figures used by my honor-- able friend were édeliberately ~nis leading, and his action was not be-- coming a former Premier and the dean of the House," claimed re>~ The Premier's statement came after Mr. HMenry had challenged the Premier's table showing debt charges in relation to current revenues, as set forth in his Budget address ef two weeks ago. At that time the Premier and Provincial Treasurer had said 43 cents out of every doilar collected had gone to pay dobt charges in 193M4, while onlyv 24 cen'ts was needed for that purpose in 19°8 Insistent charges by Hon. George 8. Henry, former Conservative Lead-- er, that Premier Hepburn in hnis Budget debate had painted a mis-- leading picture of Ontario's debt drew -- yesterday from the Gov-- ernment Leader in the Legisia-- ture the sharply worded declaration that Mr. HMHenry, as Premier, nad "raided" the Agriculture Develop-- ment Board in 1933 of $2,000,000 and had improperly credited it to the interest fund. SEES INTENT TO MISLEAD Hepburn Refers to Farm Development Funds as Tory Leader Attacks His Picture of Ontario Debt CHARGES HENRY RAIDED BOARD, MOVED $2,000,000 "I'm taking the years 1933 and 1936 advisedly," the member for East York said. *"The only fair pic-- ture of our administration is shown in 1933--not 19}M4--when the Pre-- mier took office in the middle of the year and was able to spend money lavishly and charge it to the pre-- vious government." Several 'Unsavory' Taverns In Toronto to Be Cleaned Up "I think," said Colonel Drew, "the | minister would have done very | much better if he had reserved his | remarks for reply rather than in-- | terrupting another member's speech. 2 So far as the principle of educa-- tion is concerned, I think it would be better back on the sound type | of education we had some years ago| rather than on some of the fan(';.'! education we are getting today." ' The only true comparison ef debt charge statistics, Mr. Henry main-- tained in his address, lay in the ac-- tual figures. In 1933, he said, debt charges totalled $16,600,000. In 1936 they had increased to $21,600,000 and in 1938, although reduced to $19,600,000, they were still higher than during the Conservative re--' gime. f "Back to Three R's." Dr. Simpson -- denied encourage-- ment was given to a pupil to take lh_e liqc of least resistance, and add-- ed: *"Surely you wouldn't Vi\iria"nt"t"o go back to the three R's." > "It might be better if we did," broke in Colonel Drew. "Surely," replied the minister "you don't believe that." T. A. Blakelock (Lib., Halton) served told the Ontario Legislature yes-- say ab terday during the budget debate lors. that he had found "unsavory con-- conditi ditions" in several Toronto bev-- "Wil erage rooms and that action to give t "clean them up" would be taken House by the Liquor Control Board. Board "41 am a temperance man," he told the House, "but beverage rooms are within the law and I have no hesitancy in recommend-- ing licenses in cases where I know regulations will be properly ob-- APR\IL 20 "I have already given the names to the Liquor Control Board," Mr. Blakelock replied. "And I under-- stand steps are being taken to "Will the honorable member give the names, either to the House or to the Liquor Control Board?" asked Allan Lamport (Lib,. Toronto--St. Davids). clean them up." served. That is more than I can say about some Toronto beer par-- lors. I know of five or six where conditions are most unsavory."