The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 19 Jan 1940, p. 3

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'"'This grain will go to Russia, and then be sold to Germany to feed the soldiers who will be fighting our Canadian troops in the front line next spring. '"The British Empire is bending every effort to keep food out of Germany, yet Canada is indirectly selling to the enemy. I want to find out about it." "You mind your own business," replied Mr. Duckworth. "Is Britain at war with Russia?" asked Mr. Habel. Before Mr. Duckworth could an-- swer Premier Hepburn was on his feet to express agreement with what the Conservative member Rhad said. Beyond Jurisdiction. "Why don't you go to Ottawa and find out?" interrupted J. A. Habel (Lib., Cochrane North). "I agree with what the member for Dovercourt has just said," stated Premier Hepburn, "but unfortunate-- ly it is outside the jurisdiction of this House. I deplore the fact that the Dominion Government has al-- lowed the sale of wheat to Russia, but I deplore still more the fact that it recently sold two ice-- breakers in the same power, which can possibly be used to keep Rus-- sian ports open so that battleships may be used against Canadian ship-- ping." "I understand that four cargoes of wheat, a million bushels, were sold at Winnipeg to Soviet Russia," he said. "I would like to know if it is possible that the Federal Gov-- ernment would allow any group of men, or corporation, to sell wheat to Russia, an ally of Germany. Launching a vigorous attack on 'The Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star for editorials which Mr. Hep-- burn said questioned the right of Colonel Drew and himself to criti-- cize the actions of the Dominion Government in the prosecution of the war, the Premier said: "The criticisms I made were as a mem-- ber of the Organization of Resources Committee, whose duty it was to co--operate with the Federal Govern-- ment' and offer the resources of the Province of Ontario." William Duckworth (Cons., To-- ronto--Dovercourt), the first speaker of the afternoon, rose before the orders of the day to criticize the Federal Government for allowing the sale of a million bushels of wheat to Soviet Russia. He said that the press attacks had been ill considered, and that "I was most annoyed with the editorial that appeared this morning in The Globe and Mail that treated in a facetious way my remarks with re-- gard to the fact that Licutenant Campbell suffered an attack of the flu because he was not able to ob-- tain a greatcoat when he joined the army. Cabinet colleague of C.I.O. times abandon his seeming attempt to re-- strain what he believed to be "hasty action" on the legislators' part. Criticizes Wheat Sale. "It may be funny for The Globe and Mail," he continued, ,"but it is not so funny for the maerho gave up the position of Minister of Pub-- lic Works of this Province so that he might serve his country, and then found that he could not get proper-- ly clothed." Mr. Roebuck, who had figured in several earlier caustic exchanges, attempted to make himself heard, but the Premier protested he was out of order--that while a division was being awaited no member could speak. Mr. Roebuck argued to the point where it appeared momen-- tarily the Speaker might take a hand. From the Tory benches came cries of "Sit down." "You're out of order." But not until the Whips began their parade down the rose-- carpeted aisle and the Doputy Clerk rose to begin his long drone of names for the records did the for-- mer Attorney--General and insurgent Had Only Raincoat, Mr., Hepburn said that Lieutenant Campbell had come down to his farm near St. Thomas at Christmas time with only a raincoat over his uniform, although the temperature was close to zero. "He was also on active service with this raincoat as his only over-- coat, And yet the Prime Minister of Canada said that we were ready for war, and that he had been quietly preparing for two years. Preparing for what?" demanded Mr. Hepburn. '"'There were many men on active service who have active tubercu-- losis," he continued, "because they were not supplied with sufficient clothing. That may be funny to The Globe and Mail, but it is not funny to me. "We in the Province of Ontario are taking care of these men," said the Premier, "although the Do-- minion Government has thrown them out of the army in the most callous way. True, these men may have had the tuberculosis germ, but their iliness was aggravated by the conditions of their war training." Following Premier Hepburn, Op-- position Leader George Drew rose and, referring to an editorial in the Toronto Star, which he said ques-- tioned the right of himself and Pre-- mier Hepburn to criticize the Fed-- eral Government's war effort, said that "it is my duty to correct an utterly mistaken impression made by a newspaper which claims to have some measure of public responsi-- bility. "At Christmas there were about 500 men in training, there were very few uniforms, and it was a pitiable sight to see them marching," said the Premier. "There was a near-- riot in the building due to the de-- plorable conditions under which the men had to work. '"Yet the chief propaganda sheet of the King Government," he said, holding up a copy of the Toranto Star, "says that the training of these men is going ahead full blast. How-- ever, the Dominion Government is not prosecuting the war in a man-- ner to suit the Canadian people, and in spite of the propaganda of the Star and the radio addresses of Mr. King and members of his Cab-- inet, the Canadian people will not accept these statements." Drew Upholds Right. Mr, Hepburn said that there had been a lot of talk about the bath-- room that had been installed in his office at the Parliament Buildings. "The Globe and Mail even mention-- ed the Premier's bathroom in their editorial. Well, if any one can find a bathtub in that bathroom, I'll eat it," Says Facilities Lacking. He said there were now about 500 men in training at the hospital, but that if many more were added there would not be enough facilities as the Federal Government had failed to equip the hospital properly for training purposes. "I made it clear, and so did Mr. Hepburn, that the remarks we made with regard to the Dominion Gov-- ernment's prosecution of the war were based on the fact that we are members of the Organization of Re-- sources Committee, whose duty it is to make the resources of Ontario available to the war effort of the country," he said. "Those resources include over a third of the population of the coun-- try, and half of the total industry, which will contribute so much to the final victory of the Empire forces,. I carefully premised my re-- marks about the Ottawa Govern-- ment with the statement that they were to be made as a member of this committee." Referring to the mental hospital at St. Thomas, Mr. Hepburn said the Provincial Government had offered the Dominion Government the full use of the hospital for training pur-- poses. *"Two months later there were allegedly thirty men inside the building, and another thirty outside guarding them," he added. JanuARy 19 "If it took no courage," declared Colonel Drew, "why didn't The Globe and Mail tell us about it? I was silent until this House opened in the hope that there might be members of Mr. King's Cabinet who would foree him to act." Colonel Drew said he had made | only one public speech on Canada's war effort since the outbreak of war, until the Legislature opened, except during the special session of on which he and Premier Hepburn had the right to criticize the Federal Government in the Legislature, '"'This is the war of every man, woman and child in Canada, and we have the right to voice our opinions on how it is being carried on," he declared. Colonel Drew said that the Star had supported Ontario municipali-- ties in their right to vote on the legislation proposed by the Govern-- ment lengthening the term of mu-- nicipal office. "I agreed with the Star in that policy," he said, "for although the municipalities were not concerned with presenting the legislation they were concerned with its results. It is therefore strange to find this same paper arguing that we have no concern with the works of the Federal Government." Colonel Drew said this hope, at the time, was strengthened by what he had observed when he, the Lieutenant--Governor and Premier| Colonel Drew stated that the Legislature was very much con-- cerned with the Dominion because, '"no matter what we want to do, we are geared to the speed of the Fed-- eral Government. It is therefore of direct concern to this House what the Federal Government does." Called Every One's War. Colonel Drew said there was no need to define the techn_ical grounds Colonel Drew then picked up a copy of The Globe and Mail and re-- ferred to an editorial which he said claimed that it took no courage to speak out about the failure of the Dominion Government to equip Ca-- nadian soldiers adequately. "I may say," he added, "that Colonel Ralston was one of the men I had hoped would bring pressure upon Mr. King to do something which was not being done." "I will take the charitable view, that probably he was wholly un-- aware of the disgraceful condition of our armed forces at the present time, or, rather, say our unarmed forces. He read from the editorial . . . '"We have the statement of Hon. J. L. Ralston, who left a profitable law practice to serve his country. Speaking on the radio on Nov, 24, he said: 'I believe that in the time available nothing has been or is be-- ing left undone which could reason-- ably be done by your Government and by the public service to give full effect to the contribution Can-- ada is making to this war.'" "I have no hesitation in saying," said Colonel Drew, "that Colonel Ralston either did not know the facts or he was giving a more fa-- vored view of the situation if he did know them. the House last autumn. "I did this on purpose to give the Federal Gov-- ernment every chance to do their job," he added. Colonel Drew said The Globe and Mail had tried to give the impres-- sion that he was critical of being misreported. "Only twice have I ever been misreported," he said. "The first time was a deliberate fabrication on the part of the To-- ronto Star, and the second time was also a fabrication, but happily I was dealing with a paper which had a high appreciation of its public re-- sponsibility and it published a full retraction." Thinks Ralston in Dark. Colonel Drew again referred to the editorial. "The word bunk is not mine," he said. "It was the Premier's word, but I must say that it effectively describes the radio speeches."

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