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FERRuARYy \ ' | _ George H. Challies, Progressive -- The Commission has conducted a Conservative member for Grenville.| _ SUCC@Ss{ul conservation campaign | 'Dundas. criticized the Government| _ WNiCh brought about a saving that,| ! _] for not putting all its informationl taken in conjunction with _expan-- | | !before the members. He disputed a| 0. 0f resources, had virtually| previous assertion that the Eastern| |@!'minated any shortage of supply _ _ _ _: Ontario Electrical Association had. for war industry. | approved the Ontario--Quebec agree-- | | Between 1938 and 1942, Mr. t ment, declaring that the association | Conant said, quoting Dr. Hogg's re-- had not been told of the taxes they! port, the Commission _ provided would lose as a result of the project, | about 170,000 h.p. additional and in nor of the lands that would be af--| 1943 a further 65,000 hp. plant will fected. Mr. Challies protested that' go into opcration at DeCew Falls, -- % the members of the House could not |\ bringing the figure up to 235,000 Commussuoner H o U C l( possibly familiarize themselves with' |h.p. by the fall of this year. * f the contents of the bill if the Gov-- a A s ks No n--Partisan ernment persisted in "rushing" it !prect Later Shortages. | View--Drew Asks Data through. He joined his Leader inl ' He said 57,500 h.p. of the in--| asking for a special committee of | creased resources provided since Indicat y the Legislature. | | 1938 had been secured on a short-i ; '"l(_"d"o"' that the Legislature In opening the debate for the Op--_ |term basis so that this amount of is likely to be t_h.c scene of a major position, Col. Drew said the bill| |power and its cost would disappear clash over ratification of the Ot-- amounted to rewriting of the boun-- 'after the war. tawa River power agrecment made dary between Ontario and Quebec. In addition, resources were aug-- bmwcon Ontario and Quebec wore It provided for a virtually perma-- mented on an average by 135,000 tpll:;mi)l*n tl;: IIou;.(*' .)C:}?rday when nent disposition of certain rights h.p. from additional water diversion . ie Drew-- »('l .fouctx af,l\ccl notice along the Ottawa River, he said. |___at Niagara Falls without increas-- H'r_alt they woere far from satisfied Only Surface Touched. ' ing the peak resources at all, an with the bill. "'Members of the House should important and valuable contribu--| / 'I'hg agreement between the two not be asked to make a decision un-' tion since the average power de-- Provinces gives Ontario. the right less they have more information."' mand was increasing more rapidly : to dcvelop waterpower sites on the declared Col. Drew. "The Prime| than the peak demand. The Ogoki Qltawu Rl\'q' which willAcvcntuallyl Minister has only touched the sur--| diversion, t.oo, he said, would bel :\'1¢l(1 a continuous capacity of 428,-- | face. A committee of members of completed in 1943, there was rea--| 390 horsepower. +The Government | the House should be named and em-- son to believe. But with an esti--] took the position that in planning | powered to call witnesses and find mated increase from 60,000 to 120,-- to develop these sites it was giving | out what is behind it all, so that 000 h.p. in the demand this year substantital aid to the nation's war|' the House may know what it is do-- it was expected that there would | effort l)"ough the tupply of elec--| inz-" be a bhortage hV next December Of' {ricity to war plants; that the agree--| | Premier Conant took objection to [1'0[n 15,000 to 20,000 h.p. | ment was fair in every respect to| | the phrase "what is behind it all." "That situation, which became ap--| both Provinces; that, failing con--| | He declared that there was nothing parent soon after the outbreak of| summation of the agreement, the| | behind the bill other than a desire war," said Mr. Conant, "has been a' Hydro Commission would have to ;to get power for Ontario. matter of much concern to the§ turn to the Madawaska River, where | --"I can assure the members of the Hydro Commission and the Ontario| only a relatively small amount of _ | House that there is nothing sinister Government--the need of meetingi power is available. | behind it," he said. "As far as the the enormous demands in the fu--| The Opposition criticized the Gov--| | matter of changing the boundary| _ !Ure: We had developed all our ernment for not permitting the| |line between Ontario and Quebec,| . large power resources in 1942 ex-- members to become better informed| | that was something which both| _ C°Pt those on the Ottawa and the, as to the contents of the bill, and _ | Provinces carefully avoided as both| _ St. Lawrence." Lt--Col. George Drew sought unsuec-- did not wish to have prolonged dis-- | If implemented, the plan between cessfully to have the measure re-- cussions over the years as to where | Capada. the United Slat?s and On-- ferred to a special committee of the the boundary lies." | _ tario of March, 1941, for joint power House. He complained that the bill Mr. Gonant said action by the| Gdevelopment on the St. Lawrence was one of the most important to Legislature was far more necessary | ; WOUld have made available a mil-- come before the House in many than any action by Quebec, as it | lion horsepower for Ontario. "With years, and yet the Government was his opinion that steps already | |!the signing of that agreement we wished to Speed it lhlbough as taken by Qucbec covered the Situa.' 'hoped that our pOkaeI' requiI'EmentS quickly as possible. | 1Qion. The Li(n)uéenam-((:}overnorhoé i' igf iou'therré Ont'ano woulc'lee met The sc p r 4 uebec, by Order--in--Council, had| |!0r many years to come. We were debate of Hedio Comminsioner W. _ Siven his assent to the agreement, | |Pledged to proceed with the devel-- L. fi io s m # mvagpe o c mpon \ W but to make sure that everything| ; Opment as soon as the United States . Houck was a feature of the dis-- a s o oisr | i Beeart i 3 dsston.. Mr. Houck rose 10 answer was in order the Province of Que--| ,passed necessary legislation and auestion asked }L P Col: Drew.; and bec had agreed to bring in a bill. | |we could not undertake other power a'q.l'lc.slltm asked by 0-_ rew, an<, | sar i t s & | developments until we knew the having done so. he took the oppor-- War Industry Now Supplied. | { intinne * M e A Come ipes $ iss i Ava's w reeds | ate of these negotiations," Mr. Co-- tunity of appealing to the members Reviewing Hydro's wartime 1 1 hanit : i6 o h $ aracp aA BSAllrras i5's neso--| explained. "Between March, not to be swayed by political con-- and resources and Ontario's nego--;| 1941 and March, 1942, w r . s . . tiations with Quebec regarding Ot-i n' s ar("'1, , we have had siderations in considering the bill | |jaws River power -- development, | to mark time," to learn last March \He stressed that more power Was| |premier Conant tabled correspond--| that the United States regarded the | urgently needed, and Ontario MUust| |once between himself and Dr. T. H.| St Lawrence development as for | provide this power for the war in--|° Hogs, Hydro chairman; Premier| after the war, Where could Hydro | dustrics of the Province. [' ! Adefard Godbout of Quabec: and| _ tutn for fhe sgbstanual power re-- Week's Delay Serious. ' with Prime Minister W. L. M. King| -- GWred for war? "No war industry in Ontario has (for Federal ratification). Only Ottawa River Available, | been refused power by the commis-- | Prior to the war, Mr. Conant "We were increasing the load in | sion," said Mr. Houck.. "This ratify--| -- said, the existing power resources| the Niagara system alone," said Mr. \ing legislation is needed to enable| exceeded the demand by 280,000 Conant, "at the rate of 199,655 h.p. | our engineers to get to work on the| h.p. In addition to this active re-- a year for three years. How to take '!project. A week's delay might prove | serve, the Commission had con-- care of war's demands on our sys-- | serious. Eastern Ontario has nothing | tracts for powor for future delivery tem became a serious question. We |to fear from this development. We aggregating 200 h.p., a combined turned to the Ottawa River because | have played fair with Eastern On-! total reserve for future growth of it offered undeveloped sites--virgin | tario in the past, and will continue | 480,000 h.p. power--that would produce 1,200,000 | to do so. I assure members from| Since December, 1938, the Com-- h.p.. of which Ontario's share would |eastern constituencies that when| .. . | be 600,000 h.p. | power is needed in their section of| _ MiISssion: had taken on ncwnloads "Present also in the consideration | the Province it will be given. But| amounting to 878000 h.p,, '94'000' was the distinct advantage of reserv-- | don't let us allow thoughts of politi-l h.p. of it estimated as a war load, ing the Madawaska for 60--cycle |cal advantage to interfere in this| more than half of which is. S'.'p'i power. Taking it all into considera-- | most important matter. Adequate plied directly by the Commlssnoni tion, when the United States decided | | supplies of power are as important to lal'f..'e industrial customers. Of| not to proceed with the St. Lawrence? | to the war effort as the men in uni= the 794,000 h.p. about 100,000 h.p. development until after the war,, 'form. Industry in Ontario is 90 per: _ was exported to the United States the only available site for develop--| cent electrified. Therefore it is by request of the Power Controller 7 a ¥ | o KAAA ment of large--scale power was the necessary that we throw aside petty, of Canada, to maintain the flow of Ottawa River." | political, partisan feelings." war goods to Britain. . American Discussion opened last year cen--. Mr. Houck paid tribute to the co-- industries using it were the Union , ini - * i s & tred on whether a joint development operation of the public in the power _ Carbide Co. at Niagara Falls, and| _ ; ne offawa should be undertaken. conservation . campaign, ax}d ex-- the Alummu'm Co. of Amerrca at| with Quebec or whether it should pressed the view that, barring un-- Massena, N.Y. | be done on a basis of allocation of foreseen developments, there would \available sites. Quebec had not been | be no further restrictions on the use | willing to proceed with a joint proj--| | of Hydro. . I