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"At least, on the subamendment," the Prerier urged, "let us vote on the fa 'S as they are and not on the fignvm at some disordered imagination." To this end Mr. Drew said he wanted in put on record what he had said before on immigration. "Before roting let me state the position (f the Government, so that their nerd be no doubt or misun- derstanding afterwards as to how you voted." The Premier pointed out that immigration comes under Federal jurisdiction and Federal law, "But," he said, "the Provincial Govern- ments must assume the major re- sponsibility for the social security of those who come here as well as; those who live within their boundaries. so that we may obtain the best results tor the immigrants and the other members 'of our population." Assurance For Veterans He repeated his previous state- ment of policy, that "no large scale immigration (after the war) should be permitted until such time as tho ro-employment of our war Ir: erans and munition workers has kit-en assured." "I have never heard of a franker admission of the misconception of democracy which permeates the C.C.F.." declared Premier Drew. "They can't do business as elected representatives unless there is a conference outside which tells them what to do. We don't wait for some one to decide what our course shall be." The Premier then dealt with the report that if the Liberal sub- amendment failed, there was to he an amendment moved by the Labor-Progressive Leader A. A. MacLeod (Bellwoods). There was no need for it, he said. The Op- position amendment was straight want of confidence. he asserted. "Let us vote on that without trailing in a lot ot subamend- ments." We Premier urged. Contrasting that policy with the Dominion. he quoted a. cable which said: "The Canadian Government is not in favor of granting prefer- ential treatment to United Kingdom service men, even those who were "They are bound by ia' democratic organization." retorted Mr. Jolliffe. serving or who had served in Canada." Premier Drew insisted: "We have a right to ask the Government to give these men preferential treatment when the door is tin- ally opened." . been held to decide otherwise. Il hope the significance of that will; not be overlooked by the people of; this Province when they come to vote. : Outside Tnnttenee f "Let every person in Ontario know that when the C.C.F. mem- bers come to this House to transact business. they are bound by some one outside this Legislature," charged the Premier. dteplying to criticism of religious education in the schools, Premier Drew pointed out that in Mr. Nixon's own county of Brant the Ministerial Association and other bodies had approved it as it was approved in l the Province. -ir-" who had served in in ééery other county in It was because of that and the part played by one man "to when we all one so much." he said. that he desired to quote the work of Winston Churchill. "They are words you may take as the present and future purpose of the Ontario Gov- ernment. "Here we have freedom of thought as well as freedom of con- seience and religious toleration Religion has been a rock in the life of the British people on which they have placed their cares. This funda- mental element must. never be taken from our schools . . .' As long as I am Prime Minister it will remain y' Know What Will Happen "May I emphasize that." he said. "to those who talk here in a slight- .ng way about flag-waving. I am rot ashamed tn proclaim the fact mat I take pride in those who stood lb the front rank of tho battle as 's-e have not, and it is because of them that we've been able tn con- duct this Legislature tti a tree forum here tonight. There was little to sustain them except their great faith." "The people know what wit 'nop- pen if the Liberals come into p . v They know religious education 'll he taken right out of the schrofis. They know. too. that the C.C.F. La, ' no convictions. . . ." Here tl str TT? of crossfire from C.C.F. berul?s drowned out the Premier's words Speaker Stewart were forced to re store ordpr before he rouln l-nntinw' under threw of adv , mug th H ", ll: Ignorant. of Regulations "But when a suggestion is made that pupils are cornpt1le.d to sub- mit themselves to sectarian teach- ers, that statement can only be made in complete ignorance of the regulations. - - "Not a single School Board in Ontario is under compulsion to have tettching or Bible reading unless they approve." Also no teacher need toarh it nor any parent permit a pupil to take religious instruction unless they approved. "1'll put on record again what I have said about religious educa- tion." the Premier went on. "There's been too much emphasis on plan.; for the future in terms of dollars and cents instead of in terms of thc- character of the youth we're gems: to build. Mr. Drew recalled also that he had said: "It was as part of the training of the character of the citizens of tomorrow that. we ex- panded religious education in tho public schools of Ontario," Provi, sions' in the regulations give, he said, "the greatest freedom of con- science" "It is significant," he said. "that out of 5,000 schools in Ontario only about 40 have indicated. for various reasons, that they do not want it--- and their objections are not to the course as such." Striking evidence of the value of "faith in the decent and abiding things had bpen seen in th: courqu of the people of Britain as they; stood theh greatest test. About Flag-Waving He said the present books had been amended and approved by thr intorehureh committee since it had first expressed fear for some sien- gerous indications and that body was among many asking that it be maintained. Mam-ix a?) . unsafe on Subamendment "CU.,'. members of this Hous- know that I hold strong views or the question," continued Mr. Jollif' _ "I believe they respect these View i and thoy know I respect theirs. Tc each ci them I say 'let your con- science be your guide." Continuing, Mr. Drew said: "We have made it quite clear that the system of religious instruction we have introduced in the schools is neither final nor put forward as the last word on the subject. The textbooks are only provisional, and the Department of Education will welcome any suggestions. The books will be amended in the light of experience." "If the interruptions do not stop I'll have to adjourn the House." was Speaker Stewart 's warning. "All the members of the C.C.F. Opposition are free to vote on the amendment to the amendment as their conscience direct," continued Mr. Jolliffe. "This may seem an 'nusual course, particularly in con- rection with an amendment to a motion of no-confidence in the Gov- ernment of the day. We believe it to be the necessary and proper course, in the best interests of all the people of Ontario, with respect to an issue having religious signifi- cance. Holds Strong Views "We will certainly abide with the very best. grace with the decision here because I believe no group in this House has greater confidence in the judgment of the people, of Ontario than we have. If the mem- aers. without a test, refuse to sup- 3.41. what we have done. we will In the midst of the commotion, one CCF. member, L. G. Robinson (Waterloo South), shouted: "The gentleman across the way hasn't the guts." To indignant cries of "Withdraw." Mr. Robinson said: "Well, intestinal fortitude is prob- ably a better word." Will Amend Books Calling for the vote to be taken on the Liberal subamendment on religious education and immigra- tion policy, Mr. Drew declared: "We stand by our principle and we will vote on it. here tonight. The sub- amendment is in two parts. Since it has been publicly stated from the beginning that the textbooks are provisional and to be amended in the light of experience. then a vote for this subamendment can only be a vote to take the course of religious education right out of the schools. It can't be regarded in any other way." Dealing specifically with the Lib- eral subamendment respecting re- ligious education in the schools. Mr. Jolliffe said: "We believe this is not an issue for partisan controversy and that it must be dealt with ae. cording to the individual conscience of the members required to vote upon it." At 10:45 p.m., the galleries still jammed to capacity, Mr. Jolliffe rose to wind up the debate for the Opposition. a pt it as a want of confidence mm and the people of Ontario will saw a chance to make the" C -