POPPED GTB D GR | PAGES 9-12 v T0 OUST COMMISSION There Was Lively Discussion At the Board of Trade Meeting Over the Policy And Plans | of the Utilities Commission. (Continued from Page 1.) had," he added He further statzd that when Sir Adam Beck was Kingston, four years ago, the .city was endeavoring to make a deal with the Seymour Power Company. When told about this, Sir Adam had said, "it is no use, for we have control over that power." Cost Of Power. Continuing, Mr. Givens stated that he believed that the Seymour Power Company, in ¢aring for the small consumers, in Belleville, was doing good The Utilities Commission, in Kingston, was pursuing a different course, and he held that the mem- bers of the Commission should censured for the course they had taken He then asked what would be a fair price for power, and pro- ceeded to read what he termed, as the 8th annual report of a steam plant in Ontario (not giving "the name). This statement was for the year ending 1914 In this report, the cost of power, per kilowatt hour, at the station meter was 1.4 cents; at the consumer's meter, including maintenance was 2.10 cents; tae highest cost at the consumer's end, including sinking fund fixed charges was 3.2 cents. Asked by one of the members for the name of the company giving this report, Mr. Givens stated that it was the report of the Commission, .in Kingston, composéd of Messrs. Rig- ney, Toye, Birkett, Ross and Shaw He assumed that if in Kingston we ever had such good rates, the consu- be mers would be extremely lucky. In- stead, the citizens were called upon to pay five cents per killowatt, with | an additional dollar per horse power, | In the face of all this, the Commis- | sion goes back on the report of their expert and "soaked" more money ven by the The lowest price gi- Commission for power last year was that of 1.75 cents, to} Davis Tannery, The average price ac- cording to the statement he had been given by the manager of the plant was 3 1-2 cents. Mr. C ns-then went into the fin- cial state year which had a surplus of 000 He referred to the fact that at the plant to-day, there was a Tur- bine engine standing idle. The Com- mission was going against the policy of an expert which by the way had been given $1,000 for his advice, He held that it was bad business for the| Commission to impose Hydro rates on a steam plant, which had a sur- plus last year. It was not neées- sary for high rates. It demoralized industries. Then the cost of changing current City Council had made many The mis- takes, but he heid that the Council| had never made such a serious blun- der as had the Commission, which had caused such an open revolt of the power users. "We are suffering from these high rates," said Mr. Givens, "and 1 say that we should start at once to open negotiations with the Seymour Com- pany, or some other company, and I hope that the Board will favor the recommendation to have ' the work ~~ 'r Puts the proposition, healthful beverage use substance. : Another "Face on It Many a man jauntily takes his cup or two of tea or coffee at a meal and declares that it doesn't hurt him ! But wait until the poisonous drug, caffeine, in tea and coffee begins to show its cumulative effects, and puts a different face on It's a fact anyone can verify, that cafleine hardens the arteries, brings on premature old age, and sallows and wrinkles the skin. Some of the signs are headache, irritability, biliousness, heart flut- ter, sleeplessness, dizziness, "fag." and so on. The way out is to quit both tea and coffee, and for a pleasant, INSTANT POSTUM This delightful beverage is made from finest wheat, roasted with a bit of wholesome Wmolasses. It has a fine colour and a deli- cious, snappy taste, but contains no caffeine nor any other harmful Pogtum makes for health, happiness and vigor. "There's a Reason' Canadian Postum Cereal Co. Ltd. Windsor, Out. ~=the pure food-drink. - the consumers ent of .the plant for last] again there was| + would -be better managed under a KINGSTON, taken out of the hands of the Com-| mission, and given back to a commit-| { tee from the City Council." Mr Rigney Speaks. T. J. Riguey, chairman of the Ut-! ilit'es Commission, spoke on the sub-| ject. He said that as far as the Commission was concerned, the citi- zens came first, and the Commission afterwards. The question of dealing with the rates was a highly techni- cal one and he told about the Com- mission seeking advice from the Hy- dro-Commission. Mr. Givens 'had' been misinformed when he stated] that the Hydro-Commission been asked to "fix" the rates, and had done so The rates as sub- mitted by the Hydro-Commission, had been modified by the Commis- sion to warrant the circumstances Last year, the plant had showed earn ings amounting to $82,000. This re-| venue was derived from four sour-| ces, incandescent lighting, 67 per cent; power, 9 per cent; street light-| ing, 17 per cent: street railway, 5 It had been found that the burden of cost was not fairly distributed The Commission was not capable of equalizing the rates, and had sent out for assistance. The Hydro-Com- mission was doing work all over the province, and had been asked for in- formation, and the Commission had spent much time in the consideration of the rates. Based on the present rates, the revenue estimated for 1915, reached $66,000, as compared with $82,000 last year. Where was the balance? It was given to adjust and in equalizing the existing rates The ratepayers were receiving twen- ty-five per cent om their commercial lighting. The rates for power were being 'based on cost of production. It was realized that the former rates were more like a "crazy quilt", In- candescent lighting was being sold to some at less than cost. An endea- vor wah being made to equalize, so that each person might pay his share. He had been struck with Mr. Givens' basis on Hydro-Electric power. Mr. Riguey stated that if we had Hydro power in Kingston the rates would not be as high as they are. The present rates could not be com- pared with Hydro rates. It was wrong to state that the Commission had not acted for the best. Reports to-day showed that there had been an increased consumption in every department. This dispesed of the argument that the Commission was | endeavoring to crowd out industries. | The entire matter had been weighed | carefully, and everything discussed {on a business basis. As to the doing away with the | Commission, Mr. Rigney stated tliat this question had better be dealt with by some other person. Before he had any thought whatever of be- | ing a member of the Commission, he { was of the opinion that the plant had | | Commission. True, the Commission {| had made mistakes, and would con- | tinde to make mistakes, but he was | firmly convinced that it would be a calamity to take the work out of the +hands of a Commission and give it to eny other type of governing body. 'ersonally, a day never passed but | what he regretted having taken hold (of the work. He had entered intoit as a citizen having the- interests of the city at heart. K was for this reason alone that he had taken a seat on the Commission. He felt that it was the"duty of every citizen to serve |the city in some way. The mem- | bers had made mistakes, but the | forln_of government should not be blamed for any deficiency. ih Rates Too High. N. C..Polson, jr., said that he un- | derstood that there was to be a re- duction of twenty per cent. He could not see this, as his own rate for power was over twice as much as the old rates; in fact the last bill he had received was five times more. He had endeavored to get information {from two members of the Commis- {sion, but.could not get the informa- tion. Blmer Davis, of the Davis Tannery, stated that he was a user of civic ipower. Two years ago he had start- ed to use power. He intended to |drop the civic power owing to the {high rates. and generate his own ipower. He held that the policy of | the Commission was responsible for | this. He hoped for a readjustment {of the rates, but felt that many more | users would quit the city, and that it {would mean a serious loss to the | city. * He recognized that cheap power Was most essential in the securing of new industries. It was not so much aq n as to what other places | were paying for power, but the ques- (tion was as regards the cost of pro- jduction. The plant should not be (for the making of money for the icity. He also criticised the method 'of the sending out of accounts hy the | present Commission, stating that he | was unable to check them up. He | had been able to check the accounts {sent out under the old rates. . He | thought the Commission had depend- {ed 100 much on what they regarded (as high authority, and not enough ion their own authority. The rates yore far better under the old sche- Doing Their Best. Chown, speaking as a mem! Utilities Commission, stat- e members of the Commis- were doing the best they could the plant. It was an old plant. run down. If the people to expend about $60,000 ; could be given at a lower | rate, but it was not deemed advisable 'at this time. Ref- GY, . | rates. The Daily British Whig ONTARIO, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 191 Commission was not responsible. The | Nickle's plan was on® which should Commission held that the small user was entitled to a fair deal as well as the big user of power. An en- deavor had been made to equalize the The Commission was to blame for some things it did, but ad- | justments were being made, and the Commission was endeavoring to be fair to all. Speaking personally, he would say that he was a user of power, and recognized the fact that | cheap power was needed to get indus- | tries. He did not think it was right to penalize the small user for the benefit of the big user. The Commis- {sion had dealt fairly in the matter, and was prepared to stand on its | work Situation Reviewed. W. F. Nickle, M.P., said that after he had read the remarks in the press of Sir Adam Beck about the power question, when he was in Kingston recently, he had considered i is duty, &s a representative of the ty in parliament to make an investiga- tion into the situation, and for this purpose he had made a special trip to Toronto. He referred to the fact that the wants of Western Ontario had been supplied by Hydro power from Niagara Falls, but the problem in Eastern Ontario was as yet un- solved. When Sir Adam Beck was in Kingston in 1911 he made certain promises Sir Adam admitted that he had failed to carry out these pro-! mises The speaker had left 'the Ontario Legislature, and was out of | touch with affairs regarding power, and it was for. this reason that he went to Toronto to seek information. "And I want to say that the ques- tion of power is of vital importance | to our prosperity here in Kingston," continued Mr. Nickle. "For all Eastern Ontario it is most essential that we get this cheap power. We must have it to get industries and to enjoy the industrial progress that is | being enjoyed in Western Ontario." Mr. Nickle stated that when Sir Adam Beck made certain promises in Kingston in 1911 he hdd entered | into a contract at Waddington, N.Y, for the securing of 15,000 horse- power, which would serve Kingston. However, he ran intd a difficulty, and it was found impossible for the scheme to be carried out. The trou- ble arose when it was found the scheme would interfere with naviga- tion in the St. Lawrence river, in that the water would be lowered. the Dominion Marine Association. This scheme being held up, it was then proposed that power be secured from Chats Falls, owned by Hon. William Harty. It was found that as the falls were situated so far from Kingston that the cost would be too high, and this scheme also fell flat. The expense which would be incurred in bringing a transmission line from Ottawa iid: be too heavy to Stand. "All this information iD giv- en to me by the Government," added Mr. Nickle. 3 He statéd that attentiol was next turned to the Trent River for a sup- ply of power, and here constitutional difficulties. were met with. There was at present a deadlock between the Seymour Company and the Hydro Commission over the rights on Dams 8 and 9. If power could be secured from this source, a supply of power could be secured for as far east as Kingston. Then, if connection could be made. with Waddington, N.Y., all Eastern Ontario could be served. It was hard to sa¥ just how the diffi- culty should be decided as to the Trent River. The speaker under- stood that the waterways belonged to the people. If the Seymour Com- pany had control the dams men- tioned, there w no reason why Eastern Ontario should not be serv- ed. His suggestion was that all Eastern Ontario unite and press the Government to take up the matter, setting forth their claims for chéap power, the same as Western Ontario, asking that their needs be met, that the rights of the Seymour Company be purchased, and that, if possible, the Waddington scheme also be Caalt with. "J think this is a far greater ques- tion than that of rates," added Mr. Nickle. "I think this Board of, Trade should get together and en- deavor to have these difficulties clear- ed up and see if the Hydro Commis sion and the Government are prepar- ed to take the responsibility in secur- ing power for this part ot Ontario. | 7wo Sa En > Exp Approved of Plan. i J. G. Elliott stated that Mr. i Diapepsin™ makes sick, | sour, stomac "" Soel ime. Time it! In five minutes all stom- | ach distress will go. No indigestion, | heartburn, sourness or belching of | gas, acid, or eructations of undigest- | ed food, no dizziness, bloating, foul breath or headache. { Pape's Diapepsin is noted for its! speed in regulating upset stomachs. | It is the surest. quickest and most! certain indigestion remedy in the whole world, and it is harmless. { Millions of men and women now | eat their favorite foods without fear ---they know Pape's Diapepsina will save them from any stomach misery. Please, for your sake, get a large fifty-cent case of Pape's Diapepsin from any drug store and put your stomach right. Don't keep on being miserable----life is too short--you are aot here long, so make your stay je. agreeabl digest it; enjoy it, without dread of rebellion in the stomach "Pape's belongs in your Bison, K.C. a we The | scheme was met with opposition from | {from an enemy trench. Eat what you like and be followed up. He held that the question of the abolition of the Com- mission was the issue. From the arguments presented he had not heard one reason which would justify the abolition of the Commission. If the ratepayers were dissatisfied with the Commissioners they would show their dissatisfaction at the elections. { He held that the work could be bet- ter handled by a Commissios than by a committee from the City 'Council. He felt that the Board would be un- | wise in passing the resolution. Hiram Calvin stated that Mr. El- liott's remarks were quite to the point. He regarded the resolution as illogical. He would vote against it. Prof. L. W. Gill said that the Pow- er Committee felt that the only way to remedy affalys would be by abol- ishing the Commission. R. J. Carson suggested that the resolution be withdrawn. He agreed with Mr. Elliott that the Commission could render better service than a committee from the City Council. He moved that the resolution be with- drawn. J. M. Farrell felt that in taking the work out of the hands of the Commission it 'would#be giving it over to a committee of aldermen who had additional duties to perform. The Commission was composed of a body of men who had this one line of work to pursue. If the methods adopted by the members of the Com- mission were not considered good, then the men could be retired, but the same system pursued. R. A. McLelland wanted to know if a committee from the Council would be under the control of the Hydro Commission. Mr. Rigney stated that there wa no Hydro control that he knew of. This so-called control was merely in | the fact that all contracts entered into by the Commission had to be approved of by the Hydro Commis- sion. This would also apply to a | committee frofni the Council, Prof. Gill and the memters of his | committee finally decided t> with- draw the resolution, but Mr. Chown | stated that, in view of the discussion {and publicity given the matter, this | would not be a fair deal for the Com- mission. He asked for a vote on the | question. President Meek them put the mat- {ter a vote, and the resolution was defeated by a unanimous vote. The president, Robert Meek, was in the chair, and also present were R. J. Carson, L. G. Lockett, W. R. Givens, I. Conway, J. G. EHiott, | Robert Crawford, J. M. Campbell, W. | B. Dalton, W. H. Carnovsky, Capt. {John Donnelly, J. Minnes, W. F. | Nickle, M.P., Hugh Nickle, W. Y. Mills, Dr. R. E. Sparks, G. A. Bate- man, Rev. J. D. Boyd, Prof. L. W. Gill, Ayerst MacGowan, N. C. Polson, jr., Ald. J. 8. R. McCann, Elmer Da- vis. T. J. Rigney, G.¥. Chown, George { Hague, Collamer Folger,"AN. H.W. Newman, William Gibson, R. BE. Burns, H. D. Bibby, Frank Anglin, Oliver Chown, R. A. McLelland, Hi- ram Calvin, J. M. Farrell, C. Living- stone, Harold Davis, Joseply Powers, | and H. Welch. / DOING THEIR "BIT." | Inmates of Reformatory and Asylum ! Helping the Empire. Toronto, Nov. 17.--If the prison- ers in the provincial reformatory and | the patients jin the provincial asy- lums have not been able to serve their country by enlisting they have have the opportunity to do their "bit" just the some. For six | months past the public institutions | under Hon. W. J. Hanna have been hard at work turning out material and equipment for-the On 0 Hos- pital at Orpington, Kent, land, and the result is shown in the aceu- mulation of between 256 and 30 car- loads of supplies. According to Hon. Mr. Hanna, 12 carloads have already been shipped, including mechanical equipment made at the Guelph reformatory. The output of the institutions includes 8,300 blankets, 1,550 hospital beds, 1,550 mattresses, 1,050 adjustable bedside tables, 2,080 shirts, 1,540 pairs of pyjamas, several thousand washcloths, traycloths, etc., and over 12,000 towels. BURIED 61 HOURS. ! sion of German Mine. Paris, Nov. 17.--An episode of the battlefield is related in a letter from the front concerning two sap- pers who were buried by the explo- sion of a German mine, but dug their way out after 61 hours' work. The two men were entombed in a small space at the end of a counter mine gallery. By means of knives they made a vertical ney, only to find that it issued hab a yard Waiting until night, they dug in another di- | rection, and after 24 hours reached | the upper air. has been awarded a medal. Has Had Good Year. Toronto, Nov. 17.--The St. Law- rence & Chicago Steam Navigation Company, Limited, dividend in 1914 was made 3 per cent. owi to the large reduction in met earn as a result of the outbreak of war. This compared with 8 per cent. 'in 1913 and 1912, § per eent. in 1911, 3 per cent. in 1919, and 8 per cenmt. in 1909. This year the company is said to have benefited along with the other navigation companies from the big increase in freight rates and the increased freight tonnage, particular- iy on the upper lakes, where the re- cord crops in the proved a t boon 10 vessel owners New Alberta Judge. ! Calgary, Nov. 17.--AM J. L. Jen- known member ® Should ene of the | of the Alberta bar, received official which don't £3 "relief notice. of" his appointment as senior udge of the District Court for this judical district. He will assume his new duties at once. - A fine Orange hall has heen dedi- cated at Almonte. * i have | 12 PACES THE ONLY POSSIBLE ---- SECOND SECTION TERMS OF PEACE Belgium To Be Restored With Full Compensa- tion---Turkish Empire Will Be Torn to Fragments And German Colonies Will Be Distributed. , New York; Nov 16.--A London cable to The New York Times this morning says: The Right Hon. Mas- treman, in an article entitled "The Only Possible Peace Terms," pud- lished in The Daily Chronicle, quotes Premier Asquith's statement: "We shall never sheath the sword, which Wwe have not lightly drawn, until Pel- gium' recovers in full measure all, and more than all that she sacrific- ed; until France is adequately se cured against menace of aggression; until the right of the smaller nation- alities of Europe are placed upon an unassailable foundation, and un:il the military domination of Prussia is wholly and definitely destroyed hat is a great task worthy of a great pation." Mr. Masterman, who is believed :v represent the Government's views then proceeds: "The minimum of So inspiring and righteous an ideal has been interpreted nonofficially to me by some such scheme as follows: -- 5 Belgium Restored. "Belgium. will be restored to cons plete independence, with an indem- nity paid by Germany adequaie to the rebuilding of her ruined cities and villages and the revival of Yor destroyed industries, and full com- pensation for her disabled and her dead. "France will receive Alsace and Lorraine and an indemnity for all the %amage doue in the present con- quered provinces, but also-a natural and defensive boundary The na- tural boundary which would render Germany's attack forever unrepeat- able alike upon Belgium and France is the boundary of the Rhine. Let Germany remain there, for the Rhine is its natural bounHary. "Denmark shall receive Schiles- weg, which is purely Danish. "German, Austrian and Russian Poland shall be united wader the Czar or a king appointed by him. "Italy would receive the Trenti- 00 and the whole of Haly irredents No Turkish Empire, "The Turkish Empire would be torn to fragments, and Armenia, Sy- ria, Palestine, Mesopotamia and Thrace divided amongst those who would develop and revive these once fair places now desolated under alien rule. The Turks would gener- ally be penned up in Central Anato- lia, where they would be compelled to learn to work instead of massac- re. "Serbia will be restored with heavy indemnity from Austria-Hun- Bary to repair the vas{ damage done. She will receive Bosnia and Herze- govina,, full and adequate access to the Adriatic and all of Austria that is Serb. "A united Roumania, a united Greece, is possible, .if these nations can rise to' the height of their oppor- tunity. , "If Greece or Roumania consider Greece irredenta or Transylvania not worth fighting for they will never re- ceive them in the end, for a Govery- ment and nation which will not risk its life for its enslaved brethren isa Government and nation unfit by such cowardice to be given the privilege of ruling over them ed by other hands even if liberat-_ German Fleet Destroyed. "The German fleet should be sur- rendered and either sank or divided among the Allies All. Zeppelins or Zeppelin hangars should be burn- ed German colonies, worthless "in themselves, must remain as trophies for the nations who conquered them South Africa, India, Australia and New Zealand®- ' "On some such basis peace might be secured. The. terms may seem unduly favorable to Ger- many, but no German would be left ruled by or subjected to another race, and no other race would be ruled by a German. Nationality would be vindicated and only by na- tionally being vindicated is there hope of peace." SIX BROTHERS WEAR UNIFORM Three Aré Now At Froat and Three In Camps. Yarmouth, Nov. 17.--The fact that six brothers raised in this dis- trict have enlisted for overseas has brought a congratulatory letter from Buckingham Palace to the father of the young seoldiers They are the sons of William Hersey, a mason and bricklayer. Three of the brothers are now at the front and three oth- ers are in training camps. The letter form the King read: "Sir,--I have the honor to inform you that the King has heard with much interest that you lisve at the present moment six sons serving in his Majesty's forces "lI am commanded to express to you the King's congratulations and to assure you that his Majesty much appreciates the spirit' of patriotism which prompted this example, in one family, 'of loyalty fn" "devotion to their Sovereign and Empire. "I have the honor to be, sir, your obedient servant, . ™F, Ac R. PONSONBY, "Keeper of the Privy Purse." European Ambition has prevented many a man from making a success in small things. "My case was very serious and I was so sick that everybody expected my death any day. No suffering could ever be worse than what I had to endure. the al . Tcould feel at first passing' through my bladder but now re as strong as ever. | weigh about #0 lbs. more than when I started to take Gin Pills. I beg you to publish my letter so that people may know what Gin Pills had done for me. The first box relieved me a good deal, eight boxes were sufficient to cure me ens tirely, and bring me to perfect health. (Sgd.) ISIDORE THOMAS, - Tillet Road Glen, N.B." GIN PILLS are sold by all druggists, sc. a box; six boxes for $2.30. =» National Drug & Chemical Co. of Canada, Li Toronto. -- and de Worst is Yet to. Come.