wanted to add to the evil by an increafed reprefentationthe expence of which now amounted to i ooo per annum and would by the prcfenc bill be doubled he was fure the people would not bear it in his part of the country for cafh was fcarce nd members wages must be paid or property facrificed he was oppofed to increafed reprefentation as well as to the univerfity he did not care whether the member was the instrument of government cr no they could not be relieved by having a member of that fort their bank ruptcy was owing to fuch members and it waathey who reduced the uoufe to the necefiity of acknowledging it he could not but be fuiptifed bow gentlemen could reprefent the bill as fair andjuftto all clafles when they give to a doien what they withhold from 1499 let the univer- lity go into operation and the houfe will not be illiberal mr nichol combated the argument of the laft fpealcer and ridiculed the idea of freeholder murmuring- at paying 6d a piece for the support of one member or is for two the elediora ii his country would be willing to pay one pound inltead f one hilling for proper talents and proper perfonsto reprefent them mr jones oppofed the motion of mr- van ivouhietr and fupporec the claule adopted ydurday he was furprifed to hear the gentleman laft but one fpeak of the poverty and huitlilns of the people when that very gentleman had wifliej two years ago to get twenty ihillings a day from the packets of the people as their keprcientative he mr h ought to be the laft gentleman in that houfe to complain of the increafed cxpencc by reafon of the increafed reprefentation the gent on his light mr v vehemently oppofed the bill throughout although he had lafl year voted for the bill without the claufe relating to the univerfity he mr j maintained that the prcfent bill would increafe their talents and numbers and add weight to nkv meafure rbejv nrrijow fjr r- sj of the country he trulled that the univerllty would not fink into that flate of fdf degradation which had excited o much alarm in the minds of the oppbfite gentlemen by ftleing a reprefentative pofritcd of no other qualification than that of being the tool and creature oi government me differed widely from them and looked forward to the time when that body would return men honour ed for their learning fcientific rtfearche and revered for their patriotifm and virtue mr frafer would have no objeion to the claufe provided the univerfity were eftabliihed mr durand faid that the claufe might be introduced when the univerfity went into operation but as the bill then rood he fhould refill it it could not be for the good of the people to introduce into that honfe a member who was underftood to be a government member but the bill would not pafs the upper houfe unlefs the claufe for a member from the univer fity were admitted was it not of confe- quence that a member fhould come to that houfe and turn the fcale not a member returned by 1500 by 50 but by a few perfons he averted that though mem bers might not ptflefs his mr n abili ties ihey had lolid and found heads he would be friendly to the meafure at a prop er feafon there was nonecelfity for the iioufeto folicit for a member of enlight ened mhd and education to propofe and forward mcafures they were unfortunate ly t5r the country ifi trie habit ol aaopung fal enough the meafures of government he approved of the increafed reprtfenta tion as it would be more difficult to allure 40 or 50 members by a good dinner than a lefs number he was willing to do a way with the wages to members altogeth er as the country had not the money to give the people were fuffering becaufe they had no way to difpofe of their pro duce he thought an increafed represen tation for the country was uftful and would fupport that part of it a divfion took place en the claufe in troduced upon mr vs motion which was loll the committee vofe and reported bill as amended report received mr burwell moved that the reprefcn tation hill be engrofled and read a third time tomorrow the houfe went into a committee on the penfion bill reported progrefs and aiked leave to fit again tomorrow the houfe went into a committee of the whole upon the bill for the relief of adam baker it was read the firfl and feennd time went through a comryittce ano xab ordered to be engrolted and read a third time tomorrow adjourned wednesday 1st march the bill for the better divifion ofthe county of prince edward into townfhips was read a third time and a committee ap pointed to carry it up to the honorable the legiflative council the reprefentation bill was read a third time and a committee appointed to carry it to the upper houfe mr van koughnett faid he was averfe to the representation of the univerfity and wifhed to have his diflenc recorded upon the journals he hoped the honorable gentlemen would recoiled that they were fettering the rights of the people and that ihi was the lait time they would have it in their power to do their duty on this fub- jed to the country it was coutraiy to every piincu of common feme t flip- pofc thai the houfe war doing its duty by allowing two or three pctfona to fenc a member amon 1 t cm the honorable membr mr nidul iiflud if menbera bet he nfr n wa3 a government member fome years ago and the evil ten dency of the bills of 8i6 which he fup ported are well known what fecurity had the houfe that he would not turn from oppofition to government and unite his talents with all the talent iftuingfrom that body againft the intereft of the pub lic mr nichol rofc and was called to or der he faid the acrimony exhibited a- gainft him by the honorable gentleman was unmerited and he trufted that the houfe would indulge him as his charac ter had been attacked and reileded upon when they knew that the words were tak en down and would be giver to the world he was not afhamed of the votes he had given in 1816- he did not hke to have it faid that he was attacked and was not a- ble to defend himfclf meftrs jones and durand fpokc to or der mr nichol faid he was prepared to an- fwer the attack made upon his character and would have done it if he had been in dulged by the honfe mr jones was furprifed that the hon orable gentleman mr v who was op pofed to the bill fhould fcleft a particu lar claufe to be expunged and not openly and manfully come forward and oppole the whole mr van koughnett faid he did things openly and manfully he was not in the house wen into a commiaee of the whole v mr nichol gave his decided and cor dial support to the dil which ought to have been passed year a j should exhibit to the house a secret document a copy of an official oi containing an account of the detailed expenditure of the province the document was near ly worn out as his curiosity ofteu led him o peruse it statement of the gross annual revenue of the crowns and other tiranctes of revenue at the disposal of the frozen by the gram ofi25uj currency iu aid of the civil lie jt 0 0 0 animal items now pay- ableon reserved lands amount of duties i under the 14th oi uie kin same a in lb 15 amount of gd per acre for grantsof land amount of the seal amount of lines forfeit ures c taken rent of mills farina li cences 0g 13 i rt estimating nre i 39 2 40 10 0 w9 16 s j10 o 0 j00 0 0 excels of the percentage to the re ceiver general habit of going behind the bull like cry of order order from all iides he moved that lo much of the hill as related to the reprefentation of the univerfity be expunged mr durand fupported the motion as he was averfe to the appointment of a go vernment member they had too much influence already without having an ad ditional advocate in that houfe he was a9 ready a3 any man to forward liberal es tablishments in the country for the ad vancement of education among the riling generation but did not fee the nectffity of the draft of an addrefs to his excel lency on the refolutioas for falaries fets of officers and clerks employed in the provin cial government was read the firll and fe cond time and the fifth rule of the houfe was difpenfed withfo far as related to the fame mr nichol fuppofed fomc perfon would withhold the papers called for there were pernicious advifers lurking in the administration who oppofed every thing beneficial to tire country it was the effence of the houfe of aifembly and their undoubted right to know to whom they gave their money and how it was ap plied it was the adminiftration not the conftitution they fhould blame and if they found out no means of proceeding againlt the maladminiflration they were not wor thy of being there he mr n would look narrowly into all corrupt praftices and nothing fhould deter him from coming forward averting his rights and bringing jullice upon the evil and corrupt adminis tration of the country every man had a right to fupport his own opinions and fhould not fubmit to fcornful treatment from a few individuals who had made them hewers of wood and drawers of water mr jones supported the address but could not approve of the language used by the honorable gentleman as he knew of no corruption in the adminillration he did not imagine that resolution would meet with oppofition in any quarter and belli ved the adminillation wax a ready to give as the house was to aik he was as ready as any honorable member tn sup port the measure under dlsculfton rt was their undeniable right to aik and he was sure their demand would not be refused- he could not fupport the motion without again expreffing his difapprobation of the fentiments uttered by thelionourable gen tleman mr durand fupported the motion and dated that unlefs the papers called for were produced he would not vote for fup- plics or any thing his confhtucnts de manded it and he would endeavour to have their demands fatitficd the houfe went into a committee of the whole to take into confederation the addrefs to pis excellency rlr nichol said that the resolution proposed by him as to enable the house to obtain official information of facts w hich he had become possessed of in a private way the document was in con sequence of no authority though it came into his hands in an honourable manner he had nothing against the person at tire head of a flairs in this province he wis satisfied tu his public acts and inten tions individually and was sorry that he was obliged to submit to the execu tive council he should read that doc ument and point out the improper ad ditions to the salaries of individuals in this country he could as a member of that house call ministers weak wicked and profligate mr fox told lord north in the english house of commons hat he would tttke him to the block the information he mr n wanted might bot bring a minister to the block but it would bring things forward that were necessary to stop the waste of pub lic mouey and prevent it from being thrown away upon sycophants the address was engrossed read a third time and passed and a committee was appointed to carry it up to the le gislative council adam bakers relief bill was rend a hi id lime passed and sent to tire up per fioum ilmn dujiiijc relief bill was rend a lloil fne passed atul seal to the up- pi r im 1 iu- 1i 1 i 1 iwrn- poundage n expenditure vo li gavra office it7g 0 0 to the executive coao- cil office 309 k 0 to the secretary ofihs province 36 0 0 to 1 he keguter of do 153 lo 0 to lie receiver general 91 0 0 to tire surveyor 2ftnrriil6rfij o ti 1 u the inspector oeicjuj 44 0 0 to theclk of he crown to the ariomey general to 1 he govt irinler to the aduuitiaioii of justice to i additional clergy to i do to half fees for d e lov- alii- military claim ants sot v daugh- ten of l 1 loalits 5150 h 4 1251 0 0 10107 ii 4 36 0 0 3280 15 6 90 0 0 go 0 0 1500 0 0 lu 0 o 0 0 0 oo 0 0 i 0 mo a 93 b 7 cg6g 0 0 to jhuor simons to john mthdoneii to j no m fogau jas mgregur and philip empev 4i1 lus each 202 10 0 to the lieup governor in lira of vc- 000 0 0 1388 4 observations on the revenue of the crown it is ne cessarv to remark that the sum of x50 granted i- aid of the civil list ntust be deducted is it is to be specially and has already particular charges against it tire remaining items are fluctuating and cannot be taken at ioo than 2477 11 4 this leaves a balance bnirit the crown r venue so long as it is charged with the payment of the public officers ot uearl 6e thousand pounds but it appears most reasonable that all the public ollicers the heads of de partments excepted should be paid by the province as it is entirely about pro vincial business that hey are employed to be more particular 1r deduce the sua granted in aid d of the civil mst j 2250 0 0 2j the shui saved by the per co- tare formerij alliowed the iir ceiver general wbichma be a sumed by ihe houat gj the bob nee of giper acrt- and 123 0 0 fedoi ii- seal are liutlnatinp and caiilml afelv be ralen nir mure lira hull deduct tberefutei the pleaeju tcm can lordly b u- ken at llrtf presfnt axtfouat clrois itevcue oi ile crofvd c407 0 o 0 0 u 0 leaves at ihe tinoa of he crown 2177 t 4 x j j j o reduced to curreurv x273s 17 amount olexpeices of the public -n- officer j jij 0 s deficiency to be supplied jtilss 5 8 as tire expenccs of these officers va- iy and other contingencies may occur an appropriation of not less than 600u per annum becomes ucceary which may be accounted for like other monies granted by the legislature the salary to the receiver general at first was j20c and the fees which were small occasioned an application from mr russell to he lords of the treasury who granted him oqqn year salary without any fees mr mcgill thought it proper and he mr n thought it teise iu him to re ceive the salary and all the fees the percentage was small in mr russells time it now- amounted to xo and 111 the year 1814 to l4g0 sterling the pernicious advice of some one iu the administration prevented govern ment from sending money to any but to heads of departments it was his wish that clerks should be retained without a reduction of salary on account of their being poor but he did not like to see money squeezed out of the treasury of upper canada or prevented from going into it in consequence of a monopoly of fees by persons amply rewarded for their services as heads of pepartments mr mcgill looked upon the fees as his pe culiar right although the country was at the expense of paying all the clerks and pressed for 20000 they ought to resume it the administration by their budget expected it it would relieve some of he claims upon the public chest tfae committee rose and reported the hill as amended the rill was receiv ed engrossed and ordered to be read a 1 bird time jomorrow r were afraid cfrivtn a co- vi rutins ft ri 1 u ij ti th vi i itnceiyfir cenelt ts salary bill mr xichd moved that the rill be vu a third time his day three months lie mn over the mrne ground as be fore iuul maied hat r was impossible htftwtthng to he iisi nation bv received froui mr jarvis that the receiver gen- eral could receive the salary they might ire without the approbation of minis ters at home the best mode of proceed ing would be to let the government make a communication to them upon it before they passed the rill mr jones pointed out the injustice of taking the fees from the receiver ge neral without augmenting his salary as he would in such a case have only 200 the sum allowed mr russell instead of 500 mr durand drought it improper to vote a salary to the heceim general without eke sanction of the governmenl at home lie wv sure the document read that day by colonel nichol would induce the country to think there was mismanagement arid matadministration the sum received for percentage by the receiver general should be resumed by this house lie was willing to allow every officer employed in he provincial departments a liberal and handsome sa lary it was degrading to the house to lean o the passing of orre bill from an ap prehension lest another should not pass elsewhere it displayed corruption in some branch and in none mors than themselves for the measures of that house ought to stand or fall by them selves the motion of mr nichol was carried post office address mr nichol stated that the subject was of a serious nature gross overcharges had been made which ought to be re dressed he might obtain redress at his private expence by prosecution but he was not patriotic enough to serve the public in that manner when he meu- lioned he matter at a former sessu i he and the house were treated with rdicule he was told it was ridiculoi to inter fere with the post office that a depart ment created by an filish act of par liament might go on as it pleased with out any right on their part to interfere lviili ir ijtu ue mi n claimed the rffkf the undoubted riht whenever he sreat public grievance to bring it fo ard and they were bound to have it redressed lie had certainly suffered by the regulations of the department yet it was not on ms own account but on ac count of the public that he brought it forward the emigrants in his neigh bourhood were great sufferers- they were principally highlanders and he hoped en that account to have the suppojt of the member from glengary letters coming from england by being put ino a bag at halifax directed to his neigh bourhood would cost 9b but by being transmitted from one post to another the charge amounted to 4f he shewed that a letter from york to dundas was charged 3d which ooght by act of par liament to be oil to grimsby lod which ought only to be cd and that similar o- vercharges were made from other post offices he therefore proposed an ad- i dress to his excellency foe lieutenant governor praying his excellency to lay before the prince regent the grievances complained of and to hare the same re dressed by his majestys ministers the committee rose and reported the resolution a committee was appoin ted to draft an address upon the same the flout inspection rill was read a second time and went through a com mittee which obtained leave to sit again tomorrow mr van koughnett obtained leave to bring in a bill to repeal part of amend year of his majestys reign granting to his majesty a um of money to be appli ed to ihe use of common schools thro- outthe province and to provide for the regulation of said common schools mr van koughnett obtained leave to bring in a bill to provide for the regula tion of winter carriages throughout this province the house adjourned thursday 2d march the draft of au address to his excel lency the lieutenant governor on the post office as received and read mr cameron attended at the bar of the house and presented accounts by direction of his excellency on the motion of mr nichol the pub lic accounts were referred to a commit tee of finance to consist of five members mr jones proposed that mr nichops name should be placed at the head of the committee and his name mr jones struck out mr nichol said he declined being a member of the committee on account of the treatment he had met with on a former occasion when engaged in that business he had been told by mem bers in that house who had treated him with sneers that they had better infor mation than he possessed on the subject they uceived their information from mr john macgill he read resolutions adopted by a former committee and in sisted that all the evils that had arisen were pointed out by him at that time upon the report of the committee de pended the prosperity of the country and having beeu employed for years and done his duty as a faithful member to his constituents he could not but decline being a member of che present commit tee he did not like his feelings to be irritated though he had patience he was not a job mr jones motion was carried and mr nichops name was placed at the head of the committee iu the room of that of mr jones mr nichol moved that the committee of finance have power to send for papers and persons carried on the iovt office rater mr niciiol raujtbar the add re- was of the utaftt importance and a the session was aon and mas to terminate 01 tuesday aa l fta in formed beriwil i move thru he 5th rule of fa jouebe dispend su the addrcn aired a eeoad time and ti motion carcicd mr nieliol iiinscj thai ihe minutes of erl dence mken 1 une co ihe ivt office be sent up to lid excellency for his information i wa necessar eoenfefc lib lxceheiicviojuderof the fuiruewr ilr proceeding tbaitht docanr nu should submitted lo him justice tfaoogk ovv cm ie- n ls thw mutter had lien btanhu 01 jour cui 10 wiih r of a like nature nad it not heeniorttt m tiliii meaner- iiifthfca an end itad then hceu pi j their functions ib eouuirv would an rvw n in iu present siatr tjry had been lojd tad io right in inien fere in this bunine oi rite claims of the militia foi land lie uoi fcappy that a new era aj arrived tie errors uf the executive counrii ive council were discovered a jrcat change had taken placi and instead of len fitfo tieatrd with disrcpeit they would bv loohed upon as men vtorthv uf their trust by hamhfiflg aud settingiimiu to ic arrogance oi ihoe characters who traduced the in their pnivc dciilfiauoi by addressing an4 tl ran king oevernor oorir ilu- indignity ouered them mr jones supported ihe morion ilenasont of the member uu faoted ilieraoiioo for en quiry fbuf vears ao no he would duso a it va te duty of thai wouero interfere ou iu ocasioiti when the ioicreat of the country re quired it sild l vii 01 opinioii the pieeut measure ww urvj a11 evij did exist jc was noticed and ml in all parts of rbecormtrj and the presfii ruccdin mustredrosit mr piiran wu- i ro hie ilonourable geutleniaii mi ior it is exertions oo tten sent occa101 ii cyuld nut htwverareeiii4 the ilwiiiiuruhie uiitieoiau 10 saiug that rbe kra for enquiry iutuuuye5had oul aowarriird u nasal nay a ihe era for such purpme and would continue so as long as they eujojedihc blesbi ot the british constitution jhe committee reported the address asameoa- cd it was read aierondtime andorderedtobe engrossed and read a third time the receiver geucrals pouudage bill wa read a third time the flour inspection bill was read a sccooi time and having gone through a committee ordered fo he engrossed and read a third tine tomorrow the forfeiture amendment bill wtb read ae- cond time and went rhrough a comuiittecof the whole far oav 3d match major hill ier delivered a message froois excellency with the account of the ealiuimfj supplv for 1821 the upper house required a conference on ihr bill ftaf turtiwjk ih rjrptcsctatvdft f fej house of assembly at one oclock and a com- mittec was appointed to meet them at that hour the flour inspection bill was paaied audi committee appointed to carr it up the estimates brought down from the lieu tenant governor were referred to a committee of li nance the forfeited estates bill was read the third time passed and sent to the upper house mr cameron presented papers relating b forfeited estates the house concurred with the comminee m the subject of the representation bill and a committee was appointed tr acquaint the upper house that they adopted the report on ffaesubv ject of the representation bill clause mr durand brought in a bill to confirmcm- lam marriages solemnized in this province read the llrst time common school bill mr jonci proposed a clause to compel the treasurers of the district schools lo return the sums remaining in their hands into the trcaiury of the province mr durand opposed ij and said it would be an act of the grealestinjustice were they to allow a veil of darkness lobe thrown oer the minted the rising generation on which the sun of infor mation was beginning to shed its rays theybai voed a small piuauce for a noble purpose and would they now m rest from ihehaudsof thetrea- surers this inj which had been intended 10 e- lighicn the minds of our youth no jmlice claimed it for the valuable purpose for wlrrcbit had been deigned he trusted that the whole of the money in the hands oi the treasurers would be appropriated to the use of schools w there were oj other funds applicable to joch uses could i bird ily without wings how in consistent woulo ie the conduct of ihe house to pass an act for ihe purpose of cducatiou and have no funds for cfrying it on mr jorei titl lire liononrable gentleman mr d was unfortunate in his arguments ie had promised to support a bill to bmldagam and court house with th money if he waselo- quenthe should be casistentlf ihe district of sore hid 3 board of idueautti iht xoa not j lapuioprj ated in coutequenc of their v uncling he mr d should bring a charge ownst them before the executive which if not answered there sfcojj be brought before the louse mr nichol coincided with mr durand fc remote districts had a right to participate ac cording to the population the executive p surped a power of not allowing any person lobe a schoolmaster hut a british subject and iu consequence of this regulation rhe londou dis trict was deprived of the advantages of the act would the house allow the district to be thus deprived hy the wickedness the corruption the injustice of the rulers order mr jones spoke to order and said that the question before rhe house was the subject of common schools not the maladrninistration or corruption of the executive whose conduct did not merit such opprobious language mr durand insisted that mr nichol was per fectly in order and lhai the gentlemen out of order were those who were in the habit of in terrupting the debates by the cry of order mr nichol had no intention of charging ihe head of the government with malpractices it was his advisers who were rhe responsible cha racters lie never ould i identify the gover nor with the executive he had uo intention to charge his mnjcma or the 1iince regeat with any such conduct every peinn under them n responsible the k log could do lo wrong but wicked ministers lost their headf and wick ed and corrupt governors were brought ro trial he had not theplihii intention to car any re jection upon the present governor whose con duct merited approbation t was the hase ajid wicked executive and the late governor gore he would nut bv bioabeaten bv auy persoa the llous had passed an act 10 benefit llu- districts the executive by rhe wicked onto had prevented its operation schoolmasters could not he obtained until the late emigration and now they warned to iae u money a3 when it was on the eve of booming useful they had made a law and suspended a british act of parliament some districts framed the advan tages of the school hill others were prevent b the act of the kerutie the v had passed law for the pymeui of pensioners bui they w not been paid for the last three years and the school masters under the present ic mustih- the same fate mr durand sad the honourable gcnflewtf mr jones had alluded to his consistency rle was iu the habit of coding to that bouse and vo ting on that 0uor for sucti measures a tended 10 ihe public welfare he would not support roe clause of the honourable gentleciar a it na unfair to take from the dinners the sums appro prialed for educamen if fair at first it fair to continue hem for the nabie object of en lightening the minds of the ntiiijcncr3tiou he thought the mooej shoulj be ictained by the treasurers for ihe urposes of education the speaker hiid he would not follow gjt- tlemen in the wide eeltl ihey had taken llc differed entirely with tlcm ao theinjuteo taking the money from those who did not jnpjy it to ihe purpose intended by the oi pa