ttrievr he fects of die caw at t luiii ho advice which the particular suttuuion n which in was pla ced lln intcrem- oi the country and the constitution o the kingdom required them to aire to their sovereign all the information pesessed upon the subject irould be laid before the committee and of course that information whether con tained in written document or not vojiq be soleiy viewed as to us respecta bility nnd character he nw applied to the intended course of proceeding but before entering upon it could not help expressing his astonishment considering the able legal advice which her majesty wnsknonto have that it could have been impressed on her mind that the slightest imputation cuuhl have been cast on that illustrious personage or on the meanest subject in the realm or that they should be referred to any secret tribu nal or to one where the fullest commu nication could not be sifted and sifted with that publicity which was the dis tinguishing characteristic cf british jus tice hear hear he wasntouished it could have occurred to any one that her majesty would not haee full power in the event of any necessity for a trial existing to examine witnesses minutely to search their character and weigh the value of their testimony or that she vould be sent to trial without all those safeguards of general liberty and indi vidual protection which woutd afford her together with that publicity necessa ry to the ends of justice a full opportu nity of crossexamining evidence rebut ting testimony and impeaching the cha racter of the witnesses with a degree of liberty which her majesty must share not id precedence but in common with every subject in the country should the committee report that there was nothing to impeach the conduct of the illustrious party whom they assist with theiradvice and thai lhvtc ws no occasion lo prv ceed farther this happy decision would receive no additional recommendation hcr in che estimation of her majest or in that of the public from having been come to in conjunction with the two learned gentlemen who held the import ant and honourable ofiicc of her majes tys legal advisers on the other hand if the report stated that there was enough cf grave matter laid before the committee to advise some ulterior proceeding they would be placed in the mot embarrass ing dilemma between their private and their public duty if they concurred in the opinion that there was sufficient ground for ulterior proceedings how much more painful would such a decision prove to the house when sanctioned by two honorable aud learned gentlemen who stood in such a situation if they thought it their duty to pretest against the decision of the committee under what disadvaitages would they rot la bor at being among the cumber of those through whom that decision lud been formed the transactions of the last fortyeight hours furnished a pretty suf ficient comment on what might have been expected from a negociafion as it was called since it was seen tint the illustri ous personage who was the subject of this discussion was so little under the counsel of the honourable and learned gentleman her legal adviser that by his owu confession those documents con nected with the arrangements lately pro posed which had been publishrd had been so published without his consent iltoyfc iuvjuyihnn iuu foito it date to himself to declare that he had not advi sed that publication and to adtrit that it was garbled imperfect and untrue un der whatever lamentable and he might add criminal advice that publication hid taken place it was evident that the ob ject of it was to appeal to the lower or ders of the people hear hear hear and the purposes which rt was intend ed to answer could be concealed from no one who did not wilful v shut his eyes if any feeling but regret could have place in his breast at ths moment he should rejoice that from the circumstances of the case no doubt could exist as to the course which ministers had taken on his melancholy occasion that the illustri ous personage herself had been fully ap prised of their resolution and that the conduct of ministers free from all dis guise had made her distinctly understa lid the consequences to which the step that she had resolved upon must inevitably aod immediately lead hear hcarhcar the house was aware that under her marriage settlement in the lamentable event of the death of his majesty she vould be entitled to an income 0150000 a year as widow of the king he had therefore thought it desirable that an an- natty to that amount should be granted now that the snbject might never again comebefore parliament this then had been proposed to the queen and he had do hesitation in saying that when pro posed the only condition coupled with it was the stipulation that she should re main abrcad now with respect to the proposition that the queen should give up her title and all the rights attached tn her situation he did not know that such a proposition had been made or could be made nothing had been proposed to her but an arrangement by which it was hoped that all debates of a hostile nature might be avoided it was understood that no proposition to the queen to sur- reudcr her rights as quteu could be lalid without the interference of the legisla ture and without an act of parliament ministers had been anxious that such measares be adopted that should picvmt all future conflicts both at home and a- bilrd between the illustrious parlies li v a obvious that if her majesty reaidid in kngiati j both tlie king a id herself would frequently bo exposed to murh painful embarrassment and it was but too evident that there was in this coun try no lack of disposition to turn such circumstances to aitcr the most uis- chievous puposes hear hear whatever had through warmth of feel ing been propagated ou this subject ei ther abroad or within those walls he trusted that it would be obviously proved to ail that government had been most anxious to avoid this altercation and most anxious to soften down the distress which such a step as that meditated by the queen was likely to create in every delicate and feeln mind every thing he assured the houie kd beon done to avoid coming before a tribunal which ought never to have had cognizance of the case and here was no sacrifice which they were not desirous to advise the crown to make in order to avoid thifi crisis consistently with its character and dignity mr brougham assured the house that the noble lord opposite had not addressed ihera on the very grave and momentoas subject before this house tvtfrh more pain than himself he would have tliehue fust to know that this illustrious lady coveted not the countenance of thosc to whom the noble lmds speech had so forcibly alluded jlr sagacity which yielded to none in thai hue and her rtrerne propriety of mind rendered it i if tie likely she should have sufficed ei ther lobe defeated by adopting fallacious iidvicev her condition how ever was such as entitled her to their warmest sympathy she had been long estranged from her family and that intimate ciation which was most calculated to cherish ihc principles and habits of do mestic life he called upon the house to bear in mind her peculiar situation a female a foreigner unprotected and nrftrijf frii ruhj n iit cio i years almost involuntary exile from fin land bearing these things in their re collection he thought they would not very severely blame her if she had fallen into the error of listening to the honest aud well meant recommendations of a frieudly individual who had d sired to serve her though he mr brougham could never characterise thoss ivcnro- mviidatiofisns those of absolute wisdom laughter was it on papers and letters pieces of evidence called evi dence brought from beyond the alps by a secret commission sent out by god knows whom but now well known for v hat purpose viz to save the commit tee of the house of commons the trouble of examining evidence he stan d him self to be utterly ignorant of the con tents of the paper to be laid before the committee he had only seen the out side of that green bag nothing more and all bis objections againt it was that the whole of the evidence was in that bag and that there was not a living witness to be examined he knew that some one would be called to prove that this was the signature of such a one a gentle man perhaps who had been sent out to make a residence often months at milan a member of the learned profession who til that illfated hour stood hiii iu the reputation of the world and the esteem oi his friends that this indi vid ua should have lowered himclf he con fessed had both surprised and pained him he begged pardon for he expres sion he was using but they werccanvas- sing so freely the charactei of ilwstnao individuals that minor cvuskh rations must yield he must ajiriu recur to the unpleasant subject deprecating as he did the individual and the office to go as he did and sit prying into the most secret actions of domestic life in a foreign coun try seeking for information among the filthy winehouses joining in familiar confabulation wish the bargemen of the lake porters castoff servants of mis tresses those detestable characters who to the credit of courts of law scarcely ever showed the faces within them without having them siamded vviih infa my losit he repeated writing dnwnall the tiitletsttle of these reprobate cha racters before this he had thought bet ter of human nature more of the merits of professional honor ilenr j in saying this he was saying what he felt at the degradation of a professional broth er such low offices lie acknowledged must be performed but then let them be done by hands that could not be sullied by any species of baseness let no man dip a linger in such filth who was not born to degrade the human species if the committee should onlv turn out their report couched in the mildest terms of affirmation which it was in the power of the noble lords oily rhetoric t frame laughter so long as it only said yes to the charge that mans character would be forever blasted it was in vain to liken this tribunal to a gutud jury if ministers thought her majesty guilty ou the report of the commission let tiwrn act upon that assurance cheers- he strongly deprecated the course of mi nisters on this occasion theywmnd by the appointment of the committee tq screen themselves behind names better than their own to seek shelter from the public gaze to cover themselves up from the public eye but they had of their own responsibility come iwu to he house with this message and they ought to face it as men and as ministers should do not only the interests of the royal family but the peace the wellbeing aud the morals of the countiy were involved in the present question if the proposed enquiry was once enter d upon w bo could presume to say where it would stop wftoj thugti they were en the dreadful brink coum venture to pviut out the pulph which as yawningbeni th them hear hear j jf boss w ho coun selled the crown to i present measure ought to weigh well those circumstances by which it was likely fo be attended those who recollected wfi took place on a former occasion would bear in mind the nature of the enquiry then out- re i into and from that taey might judge tn what that now proposed would extend tiny would have t enquire rot into the character of the qupeo not into thtf treatment she had met with not into matters with which te house was con nected or of which it wished to he in formed but they jd have brought up the whole private hitfor of certain illus trious individuals he did not say tlrt they must do this ha that it uas proba ble all these mutters might be forced up on the public eye lrt them look as he before stated to what had taken place a few years ago on that occasion public business was suspended every feeling ou any other object us annihilated the political gossip and caudal of the dj became s tile partv spirit ceased and even political rancour no longer existed the get era i topic of the year b hrg ihe private life and history of the fust sub jects in the country hear hear he must indeed be a sagarious man who coild fiom tiic cimmeucemt at point out the cod of the proposed enquiry hemust indeed b a man of i ueus sagacity v ho could do so he did not believe thai the noble lord castlereagh him self would v tttutc securely upon such a prediction he was sure that no other man could veufm to state bow the con flicting interests of the parties would end or to w hat extent ihe moult be carried lie knew thai many persons would look look upon ihb quemiou vth the best l i lilies rnmy wellmeaning persons would puhaj- adie ir but there are offtej i wl 0 i lur ent light persons who uer so much like rabid animals tbtf tiw vss more danger to be apprehc jed fiom their sa liva than their toolh- if om inquin wete entered nnoii iluro were many who perhaps would view conipasmonatelv but would blame the parti- who had set it ou foot there rt sovv who in certain cases would leel lluniselves bound by prosejsioi i lies to regard nothing but the interests of their clients- lie did not allude to slembers of pallia- meut and therefore twtf himself ov his honourable learned colleague mr den- man but to other persons into whose hands te ilitirs of his o al client might be entrusted what lh consequence of his might be he would net trust hirnsel to say ibotk tthp rcvhected u hat took place eleven years ago would be able lo form an idea of that to which he alluded ii such cases the advocate had but one thing to look to the interest of his cli ent and anj professional man would be ruined disgraced in ord he would bsfitfor the iribunal tf milan who ne glected those intere tr took any course detrimental to them he said he must be a bold man s wauld pretend to point out the isue probable dura tion of the proposed inquiry but lie must be a bolder man sti1 ull ttould rashly plunge tiie toutry into a state of irritation and confusiop wwie there ic- mained a possibility of adjusting matters in a privateandamicabtrnanner hear hear hear for god3 sakt- then for the sake of the country r the sakr of whose memories bei t liie sake of the people of england for the sake of those who h w ivcs aud daosjh- tcrs to protect he in thfmt1 tu paflse before they decided up his question let them recollect h took place ele ven years ago when no man oil op one of the daily pa without turning wih disgust from th scenes which it de scribed the meroiify 0 the co wasat stake letth thenpause and inquire whether there anot yet some meansof avoiding a proceeding preg nant with such evils to thecountry hear hear he put this to the houseasthey valued their honour as they valued all that was dearest to hem as they valued the existence of inland as a nation loud criesof hear hear from all parts of the house there were two inflances which be wiflied to point out rrfpeding the conduft of uarioveran mir ilcrs towards her majefty while in italythe baron ompeda who was n his way to rome as hanoverian mmiajrwasmoftgracioufly received by her majly he infinuatcd himfelfinto her houu he partook largely of her hofpitality for fcveral months notwithstanding rhi attention and kind nefs ihis honourable baton was clctcdled not only in fpyiag iixo the condu a of her majefty not only in tribing and corrup ting her fervrnts to give him information but in hnving hired ablackfmiih co make a key to open her private defli in order to inveftigate her paers- fortunately however thofe papeg fo taken hewed this gentleman was ro the wrong feent h in fact they proved her innocence in- icad of her guilt a young gentleman a lieutenant in the iwy then about her majeftys perfon feeling for thehonourof his royal miilrcfs clullenged ihe honour able baron the latte however repeated to mihtn where he tiok up fo fecrct a potation as to be vith difficulty fund out diiven from ths retreat he made a backward mofcrnent and hid hirnfelf in he mountains here oain he was followed by the gallant lituicnint whofe generou ardour turmounted allobftaclcs bur while an engagement was daily cxpeftcd the baron omptrdi wat kicked out of the uflar- territories rot be it olferved for having afied asaipy upon the qncen net for jbc crime of having forced her m3jeftys private papers but for having refitted to fight a duel when openly called upon hear heat her majefty had commanded him tocall for a fuu fair open invert igaia the fpcedfer the begin ning of it was the more completely would ihe be gratified the more ample it was the more decided would be her cuts- fdftion but that it would be a hort tnveftigation he who knew the coorfc of fuch proceedings felt it to be impofiible lberefore no time was to be loll for if the invefligation went on they might exoeft to fit to no ordinary period of the feluon but in calling for inquiry ha majefty protefied ftremionflyagamftafecret one f hear hear heailj mr canning faid that in all the difcus- fions which had taken place before this crilis he had looked to the fituation oi the queen as to that of the neareft aud dearcll friend to his fovereign he owed the dmy of a privy counfellor to her majefty be owed every efteem and refpect the wifli neareil hia heart was that this ex tremity could have been avoided his next with was thai her roatefty mtvht come out oi tbia mquiry with honour to herlcll and ianafaclion to her friends an hon member lr tierney had faid that no eompiomife could take jlace without injuring the kings honour or elfc infnlttng the queen another hon member blamed government becaufe they did not them- iehea bring in a bill of pains and penalties but this was notthedutyofminillers tlicy had not undertaken the taflc of bringing forward thofe charges they were not the collectors of the evidence to be laid before the committee hear hear hear from th- oppofition bend c5 they felt it their bounden duty to lay them before the jnufe what was ihertrft ftep taken by miniflers they recommended a com- promife which the learned and honourable akliiii now utkuctt t nl ilolli gentleman mr brougham knew this had been offered and bis afliftauce to bring- it about had been fince requefted if that had been accepted it would have fpared the houfe the painful duty which now devolved upon them the propo- fal was faid to be revolting and a modi fication was recommended- why was not this modification pro po fed before it was new he feared too late to propofe a y- the hon rentlerran had expreflcd jos regret at the failure of all amicable ar rangements and it was but juftice to the hon and leaned gentleman to declare that he mra canning believed that le had undertaken the management of the bufwefs with every fincere and ardent defire to bring about a favorable refult but it was a pity that the hon and learned gentleman before he had fet out from london did not fo much as tell them that thofe terms could not be heard without in dignation or furely thnt whieh it was right to fpeak at st omeva could not be u tu to be fpoken in london he deprecated the idea of a bill of pains and penalties again ft her majefty parliament wre not called upon to become the ac- cufcrsof her majefty and faid he i as one individual fo help me god i never will place myfclf in that fituation lie regretted that all hope- of conciliation had failed inquiry was challenged if there fhould appear matter of crimination there muft be an open inquiry the illuftriotts perfon fhould have the full opportunity of defence his firft with was to avert inquiry his ncxti that her majefty might pafs through the ordeal clear and triumphant never had he been involved in difficulties fodiftreffing rs thofe which he had felt during the whole of this d fcufion mr tierney faid it was impofiible that any man of good feelings could come to this qucluon without the deepeft anxiety hi only fativfaion was that he had nothing to do with the negectationa which feemed to have brought all the parties concerned in them into a jiitcous plight a laugh mr wilberforce faid there was nothing he weald fay but the abfolutc defpair of any reconciliation or adjuftment in this calc which would compel him to aban don the courfe he now felt it his duty to adopt with a view of preventing the dreadful difcufhons with which they were threatened hear hear j lie believed there was not a man in the houfe who did not participate in his feelings of wifhing if poflble to prevent the matter from going on hear hear j he propofed that they yet paufc for a day or two before proceeding farther in this bufinefs oud cheers in order that the parties might have time to cool hear hear the hon- gentleman concluded with moving that the farther debate on this queftlon be adjourned till friday next loud cheers lord calicreagh expicffed his wiliing- nefti to accede to the withes of the houfe it was impofiible for him however after the experience which he had had to hold out any fanguine expeditions of an adjuftment or to make himfelf refponfibie for it the motion for adjourning the debate toftiday next waft then agreed to adjourned at loclock london may 23 coronation court of claims official orders for the making of his majestys coronation robes have been issued lo three tradesmen the value of the new crown to be worn by his majesty at the coronation is esti mated at 54000 one jewel in it h rth 14000 the old crown is not worth more than lo0o thursday the first meeting of thecourt o claims was held m the tainted chum- cc ber of the house of lords in obedien o his majestys proclamation at 12 ovhek several of the lords commissioners having assembled the earl of iiititcitbv lord president of the council foek the chiiir having on his right hand his royal highness the duke of clarence and on his left his royal highness tlie duke of nibucpsler si lence having been proclaimed the corn- mission mas opened and was also read by the clerk of the crown in chancery several petitions of persons claiming to perform ertairi services at the corona- lion were ihmi presented and were rcui also by the clerk of the crown among the claims made s understand were those of the sties of london ana oxford to assist the chief liuiler the earl of abergavenny tn act as chief iaidinrr w hit n wdh counterclaim- ed by mr iktcourt m p the duke of norfolk as earl of a- ruruiei to be received as chief butler the duke c worfolk as lord of the manor of wnrkdpp county cf notting ham to find a glove for the kings right hand an to support his kiijestysi right aim while fiic king holds the sceptre the duke of monfros mrerof the flote to act kz srgemit of the sil ver snlrv mr- campbell as lord of the manor of lystoik in essex to make wafers fc the king the bishop of london in respect ts the service of the organ iu f he abbey the claims of the dukes of norfolk aud montrose were presented by sir g nay ley on behalf of those noble 1cers among the coratnissioners present e noticed the dukcs of clarence and oh cosier the lord iresideut of the coun cil the marqurs camden the earls of siaftesbur macclesfteldj courtown viscount straigford lords 6vydeir f it f r v t arden henley st ilelerrs amherst and charles bentinck the hight hon sir w scott sir vv grant sir j nich- oll l robinson i after these proceedings were closed the court was adjourned to thursday next co urt of claims yesterday the court was again held for the purpose of receiving petitions from ihe claimants to attend to the coronation amongst ihe commissioners were the duke of york the duke of clarence lord amherst lord arden c c c claim of the city of london 1 he common sergeant attended by the remembrancer of the city of london pre sented a petition stating the claim of the lculmayor to serve the king after dinner with wine from a golden cup and to have the cup at his departure for his fee and re ward r bw claim was founded upon that of the chief magistrates predeccftors who had exercised it fiom a time whereof the memory of nvn was not to the contrary and it was demanded for george bridges esq the present lord mayor a claim was annexed for divers others of the citi zens of london to serve in the office of butlers and to have the usual fees his lordship claimed besides to sit at the ta ble next the large cover at the left side cf the hall tius attorn it was stated had been held frm the time of william iii to that of george iii a petition was presented by ihree cler gymen in their csuunicaw from t he dene ri icr latin ins and chapter of wcstmiu icr itaiing claim by letters patent to aflit in the per formance of divine service on the day of the coronation in westminster after which he claimed pffeflion of a quantity of sarcenet and wonted as well as all ob lations and offerings that might be made upon the occasion together with four omall bells the third part of a tun of vnttc ano other things the bounty of the ring a claim was made upon the part t lord gwyder as hereditary lord chamberlain of the king to be furnifhed with a lodg ing near the king during tle coronation and to have or his fees a large quantity of stocking and fhirts 40 yards of ciirmon velvet the cuftuod c c within the chamber the next claim was from the barons of the cinque ports who petitioned to have the right of fupporliig a canopy of purplc silk lupported by four staves a each of which four barons to be stationed a petition was presented from the kev mr dymoke claiming as lord of the manor of scrivcuby in lincolnshire the right of appearing in westminsterball cr the day of coronation as the champion of the king it was further stated that if the petitioner fhould not be able 10 come himself well armed for war he claimed to send a snbstitute who fhould cuter in the perfon of william header e into west- rrurfterha ft a full suit of arrrour on 3 charger with the karl marshal the crum pet founding before the king at dinner and fay if any perfon whether he be btgbj or whether he bo low deny that george the fourth is the rightful king of england 1 as the kings champion am ready to prove him a false traitor the champion then hall throw down bis gaunt let and if nobody do deny that george the fourth is the rightful king the cham pion fhall drink out of a golden cup to the king and when he has drank his majestys health fhall take away the cup and the charger and the armour as his fee a petition was presented from the lord of the manor ofeyke in the county of essex claiming to bold water to the king and to have fur his fees the basin towel and ewer the duke of athol in perfon claimed as lord of the isle ol man the right to present two falcons to the king there