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rel“ 0" 'orl- 3 Striped Fleece . _ g from 25c to 2.00. § an5’ U nderwear in all wool uniform, Fleece - - é D3m35k Tablings 3 kins, Towels Run: ; DOYIieSy CtC. . buwlvo Ivoâ€" ‘V-, ' Floor Oilcloth and Linoleum ‘‘‘‘‘ Yam Home C“ u in e c005 -- 5611 £31112: ltezgst gwfif’fiEB b; mung . KENNY ’5 CONDITmN f POWDERS ‘ F'dmg di' $303335} 1W ’ Â¥ ' the th,b%ood The doctors“? 0memimion )8 sufficient. t1 50 perpkt. Only fij ‘. fl DUNOON’i-Sg“; ‘ (MUM MCINIYRE tings, Towellings, Tea Cloths, Nap- Runners,5tand Covers,TrayoCloths, Umbrellas r5, Blankets, ingJ CaIPCtS' fl 4 {on from Victoria. the main was as folk Dr. Vrooman move and Haliburton be di tidings to be known toria, and North Vic burton ; he said : We uuvo "W‘- liscussion about the fairness of re- n o , , listribution. The right“ hon. the live the friends of hon. getlomen’ op- ' Prime Minister, introducing the Bill, posite are opposed to this thing; and c_ iromised us a fair redistribution, look upon it as an outrage. I 60‘ “1d I believe he intended keeping his do not know. but I think that the )ledge, but I cannot believe that . :ither he or the committee fully unâ€" POOPIG up there. They say there is derstand the no sense in this proposal. Nobody 1 conditions of Vic- toria and the provisional county of can undertake to put up a candidate . [Ialibm'tom or they would not have there unless he is a miniatureâ€"â€" formed them into one constituency An hon. member.-Oh, yes. as they have done by this Bill. In Mr.‘Vroomfin.â€"Well, he might if order to make the hon. gentlemen he had the government behind him. ‘ qpestion I The length of this constituency is no which I have .1958 than 140 milw. Compare that ' “which the'new divisionsm a' constituency like Peterboro. are marked. Hon. gentlemen win‘Here is East Peterboro with a popu- see by this map f lation of 16,291, and see what a lit- Victoria proper is fully as large as U}! blot it makes on the map. (Ex- the two ridings of the county of hibiting‘ man) And West Peterboro Peterboro.‘They will see also that the same- These proportions are the provisional county ofl Haliburton “1’01“: right. I cannot see Why this‘ ther of them. I am amendment should not be adopted.‘ We have thirteen constituencies form- is larger than ei now talking about the area of these - ed under this Bill that have not one- will notice that the» this Bill of Vim‘half the population that this riding libhrton is larger in ex-A. of Victoria will have. There are tent. than the five ridings to the three constituencies in the province (1 of Ontario that are given two repreâ€" south. The county of Victoria an . - - ,. “mm.“ of Haliburtâ€" sentatives that are not as large as ,,.,.-... m:“\ a nnnnln‘tflon Of only wosn. THURSDAY. OCTOBER lst. 1903. WOUIU uuvv -. .here on me my Mr Vr oman '1n . we have the tWO . O .- ' e pun, u. ..... - an South Victoria, hon. member {or North Victoria is ‘armu alppca 0 e. that the com- the most densely settled part. The h‘m.‘ 3""t,““°“. “ppm“ township of Mindcn has a populatiOn “1“?" cons‘d"r“,t‘°“ ““ tone. and Hallburton. w 1c :____._/â€"â€":=".“â€"â€"”/â€"â€" of 1,170; Snowdon has 856: Lut- , , , ; terworth has 464; Anson and Hinâ€" The Prime M‘D‘St‘?“’ : m don, 300; Dysart, 7,73; Cardiff, 698 cncd thn great lnte Harwood 243; Monmouth, 629 ; every posszblo attentlox ment presented by x 31011111013811. 527. So population _ _ y distributed. from North VlCtOl‘la ‘ I there is pretty generall _ There are a couple of townships but 1'“ seems ‘0 me th: that have nobody and one township has one. I hope the committee will I adopting this burton should be ann rig. The hon. gentler: there are 23 townsh ‘ 1- ‘u-Iln h derenoc of argument is favor of the propositi see their way clear to amendment. ‘ ,4- - -7â€" r h... nan Gregory the city of London ; I am tauuug u; the three Middlcsexes. The Minister of Public Works.â€"Why not include London as well as the other places ? Mr. Vrooman.â€"Be(‘euse there is nothing in the point. We give three members to Middlesex with only 54.- "L- ‘- Aron) U ' w . Mr. Vro man.-â€"Bec2use t 's """1 . . nothing in 0the point. We giggihrlee limlétiw.tqgmr'w1th the la“ mu" members to Middlesex with only 54“â€" th°t 31m“ ’5 "5mg m mfp°’t‘m°e' 1 000 people. I would like to draw a be?” *3” ‘l‘umefimus “ .1. M the attention of the Prime Minister :1: t fling eve op t “3d k “1‘; . to the fact that this provisional :8” a"; “’Ehcemen.n“‘?’ S <3.ng county of Haliburton is of immense es ‘s.° at WI t infigzse «5 area. It consists of twentyâ€"three 3 ex an large townships You cannot realize . - o the north- what it is by merely seeing it on the “cm“ “um" and t° the edge of Haliburton. an addition- ‘map. When you go into it you get . - . a1 representative should be given to some idea of the sparsely settled f it is at all possible. country. In the north it is_sparsely the (hand i t it bv force of . - - I know we cannot gve settled ' ‘9 the south l.t ‘3 .more m. The hon. Minister of FinanCe dense, while, as y . . . (Hon. Mr. Fielding) pointed out the themcgiggeismrgc'kly peopled. other day an occasion where I should . turn out the militia and seek to car- the twenty-three townships are pop- w something by force of a r ms_ I Tl ' Far distant \\ hen it Mr Vrooman. I I t 0' Hahâ€" will be necessary for us to resort to arms. I appeal to the fair play of hen. gentlemen opposite and ask their consideration on behalf of Vic- toria and Haliburton. I. the .most densely settled part. The township of linden has a population .4 1 170 3 8110de has 856 :- Lut- ownship of Minnen nau- u. ”4...-.." f 1,170; Snowdon has 856; Lut- arworth has 464: Anson and Hinâ€" Ion, 300; Dysart, 7'73; Cardin, 6 Iarwood 243; Monmouth, 629; llenmorgan, 527. So population here is pretty generally distributed. l‘here are a couple of townships :hat have nobody and one township with great. intercbt and with ’ attention to the argu- ment presented by my hon. friend from North Victoria (Mr. l-Iughes) ria. The hon. gentleman stated that there are 23 townships in Halibur- j _ ton. That is true. but in those 23 ‘ townships there are only 6,000 peoâ€" ‘ pic. I ask my hon. friend to name the number of townships that Were amendment. ‘ The Prime Hi to observe one thing to nister.-â€"I have only member. I sympathize nine and possibly ten. so there are deeply with my be rable friend he- at least half of the townships which ' will are not inheflited. and which are not ‘00” one member, him likely to be “1me. Therefore without hesitation that, so far as I we must talus the position as it is. . I Would support iins I notice the statement which has this been made by my hon. friend that the population of Halibut-ton largely am concerned. amendmmt if moment to gi tario eightya of eightyneix. .fiayr ion: friend of adding one hens provide!i we carry thi: Victoria two painful «ask 1 hon. friend strangle ‘gom v_, ,, T he had pnw36 a: this‘ five the prwmw of Onâ€" instead seven membnr; But the uxmu-imvnt 31’ nd would have the on'nct [e to the eight-six mem- d for in this Hm. I: hon. friend will agree w bar (Ir. Clarke) to have one reprei sentative lea given to Toronto. have no objection. Somehow? must make the sacrifice, and if there is somebody disinterested enough- Ir. Vrooman.â€"â€"Te.ke Middlesex.. The Prime mavenâ€"If somebody will agree to make the sacrifice, I think we can mange. But I doubt that there will be more of a. disposi- tion on the part of Midme to be [strangled than there is on the part of Toronto. Mr. Hughes (Victoria) .â€"â€"I have a1- reedy had the privilege of addressing this committee. or conference. that deteuninc the have no W -__ _ makeup sacrifice, and it there is cision of the\ ,mttee that new, W disinterested enoughâ€" tie. and Halibut-ton should be allied ”Ii“... Vroomnn.â€"â€"Take Hiddleoex . together. in one constituency. Wheth- The Prime finishersâ€"If y or they should have two is will agree to make the 31106. I a ’qmaetlon.~ butfihs my hon. friend think we can maiso- But-I don t has pointed out with very great: he more at a diBPOB‘ force. and the Wt has notifier!) ' or conference. ‘was appointed flounderies of the various ridings its the various ri ‘ngs of Canada. the Minister of Public Works very properly stated. I appeared before the committee some months ago, when it proposed to add this proâ€" Visional county of Haliblrton to the: of Muskoka. I then showed to the committee the absolute imâ€" possibilty, from a physical View points. of getting from one of these districts to the other. although they adjoined. There is But one road eon- neCting the two. .I. shall not here enter into all the arguments that ’ on four or five occasions I represent- that ‘ Hali‘bnrton should no . ' Muskoka. They have no association: ’ whatever in common. The excellent ' item in the Toronto News, which the ' hon. member for South Victoria I (Mr. Vrooman) has quoted, is in er-iI ror in stating that Halibut-ton is not . united with Victoria. 10, 18 part of Victoria county. presides over . visional county of Hali-burton. The jurymen from every municipality in the provisional county of Halibur- the same courts in the 'QWPFEWWH ih ton attend . h town of Lindsay as do those in VIC- l tone; so do the members of the bar )_ in connection with the divusnon d courts iolisxon ‘ . _ and Victoria. So far as It IS posâ€" and , r-.. unlihurlnn to that flee myself on the altar to determine the virtue. ency. ings of up thumberland will not give up one (if its mem'blers nor any other consti- tuency. have to fight against in this redis- tribution everybody to keep what ":What we have we'll hold’ is thd doc-I trine that applies here. have two members want have two, those who have threcl‘Wam, three and those who have four want want four. two to Victoria and Haliburton and if I thought I could get a seconder at all the wished of my hon. friend and of the hon. member for South Victoria (Mr. seem to be any anxiety in any part of the province to givv up any por- , (ion of the n- irese-ntntion they have. . Haliburton This bill, how'ever, is creating a new under the revised statutes of Ontar- constituency. ' ' . The consrituency' preSides 93’“ tlhalto which it had not before. the county of.\ictoria. hon. the citizens of the pro- Clarke) unless you take a member from some No one has yet : I will sacri- of outraged 1 will give up my constituâ€" I am sure that the two rid- Lanark do not cart! to give one of their members, that Nor- 'Onc of the things that we is the determination of he has. Those who still to I am anxious to give I should attempt to gratify Vrooman). but there does not The bill is giving a the city of Toronâ€" My friend from West Toronto (Mr. made a strong apps-a1 to me. He stated that I could not do almost anything in this House. I cannot; that would be too much. but with his help, perhaps. I can do something and if my hon. friend u'Tll scoond this proposition 1 will move. the following words be ad- t 0. That . ’ ds div- court}: 5?}?firgsg’? l‘tllziiburton (led to the amendment ‘lhat section ‘ 54 of the schedule be stricken out that the representation of thc ' dded o . be a t m... n: 'rnmnm shall continue to bt sible for Haliburton to be uooeu to any place for municipal and judicial purposes. it is added tothe county of Victoria. 1 am free to say that I think the committee at the begin- ning was in error in regard to the relationship which existed between Ilaliburton and Victoria. I verily believe that if the committee in the early days, before their schedule was draw-n up, and before they had form- ed thé" plan in 'their own minds AL » YfAduM {4 we could have: km lahbring under th believe, from‘ the mittee showed in we would hav inc the provisional .ton two mechrS- Niauunaunp nu“... --_,, Haliburton and Victoria. believe that if the committee in the early days, be'l'ove their schedule w drawn up. and heron-e they had form- ed thé‘plan which is now before the House, if Pr'gfios e : we could haVe known that they were labbring under this misconception, I nobod: believe, from‘ the spirit of the comâ€" his 86! mittee showed in two or three case , we would hav induced them to give the provisional county of Halibur- ton two memBers. I hope that the right hon_. ' Minister and his colleagues will see Vroon tempt, as has been gentlemen opposite in and in others. to deceive the people in reference to the geography of this rhich is now more an nouns. .. - _ re could have known that they were The right hon. gentleman say-‘5 Luau abbring under this misconception, I nobody seems disposed to give up relieve, from- the spirit of the com- his seat in odrer that an additional nittee showed in two or three cases, member may he giVen to Victoria,‘ re would hav induced them to give and Haliburton. The responsibility he movisional County of Ilalibur. for redistributing the representation on two mechrs. of Ontario rests with the govern- I hope that the right hon. prime ment, and the hon. member (Mr. Minister and his colleagues wi has made out a strong their way clear to doing justice to case. The right hon. gmtlcmau Victoria and Halibprton by giving ought to assume the N‘."[lul1$fl:u§l‘lty them two members. Victoria riding of providing an additional member is a large one. It is folly to atâ€" for these united counties. even if he is obliged to take' a, member from tempt, as has been done by hon. gentlemen opposite in this debate some other county. 1i Toronto was and in others. to deceive the people given the representation it is entitl- in reference to the geography of this cd to, we would have sewn or eight county. There are no settlers in a members instead of five, and surely portion of the area. and I do not the prime minister is not serious in think there will be very many. It is asking that the fifth member should t the county 05 Victoria is be taken away, seeing that the unit versed ‘ with railways, of the representation in T Very well tra oronto unâ€" ,__ s- n... amt area of the der the proposed bill is 42,000. ‘ " ~ â€"A .-.‘ ab... oruuu UL In“. w-Vw p 0 think there will be very many. It is true that the county of Victoria is asking that me mm nit-“um. ......... . be taken away, seeing that the unit very well traversed With railways, oi the representation in Toronto un- but owing to the great area of the der the proposed bill is 42,000. while the unit for the rest of the _ _ province is 25,000. I trust that thd the proposoition that these large prime minister will accede to the rca-r areas are entitled to '8 larger repre- sonable request made by the meimver sentation than the. older settled for South Victoria. localities together With the fact that Mr. Hughes (Victoria)â€"â€"Thuy say the district is rising in importance, flattery is a falsehood pleasantly that there are numerous wateij-POW' told. I admit that I am addicted era being developed and ut‘th'd' to blarncy sometimes. As I say. 1 that there are cement works being have fought this thing out. The 93 have heard estallliShcd that will increase h; members of the Hon population to a great extent at?) from me on this issue before. Firsr, that people are going mt" the nor ' I pointed out the necessity of pre- em Wt 0.! .YEtBfifAfoEEty. £3501” serving the union that has cxnstet i nâ€" . “mm... ‘Yu'r-+nI-ia and Hali‘burton fox 75 East: a Year in toria, ‘ (hi the riding ‘ 'inhab‘itahle 'Jl hum;â€" uuuuuuu toria, that there are mountains in ' the riding which make part of it an- inhabitahle. Under such circum’ stances it seems to me that all the ' the fact. that Haliburton shdum be. added to vilege of addressmfi or conference. “I” to determine the 3 various tidings 0‘ gs of Canada. A8 Public Works very I appemd before Northumber- but wg fix'i‘ in the ca Victoria an 2 beta they Victoria. 'A not. do beta Advm'a- ‘. cannot; that wouid be too but with his help, perhaps, 1 something and if my hon. friu‘ mend this proposition 1 will [Q buy-w v ___ cannot; that would be too much, but with his help, perhaps, 1 can do something and if my hon. friend will mond this proposition 1 will move. That the following words be ad- ded to the amendment ‘lhut section 54 of the schedule be stricken out and that the representation of the city of Toronto shall continue to be four as it is at present.’ Mr. Clarkeâ€"If my right hon. friend (right hon. Sir Wilfrid Laurâ€" ier) will pass the amendment over I will give it my most serious atten- ‘tion. but surely, after what hasbeen so forcibly and frankly stated by my hon. :riend tron North Victoria (Mr. Hughes) therecan be no argument as agvnst the'Ta'ir and reason’atfle proposition which he presents. The right hon. gentleman says that nobody seems dis-pOSed to give up his seat in odrer that an additional member may (be given to Victoria \atiula vyâ€" sis of the measure, these counties axzq one and inflivisable‘ I pointed out ,_ that the people of Haliburton come .t to the county of Victoria to trade. I pointed out that the Midland div- : ision of the Grand Trunk-Railway 3, ends at Hanrton. and that, thv :e Irondale. Bancroft and Ottawa Railâ€" way runs across the Southern part 0‘ o! the ‘ riding, bringing 'people to Tory Hill, which 1 hope the prime ch minister will visit some day; and Esconville, Gooderhamj, and Deer Lake are all on- that line of the There are no lakes in thud or Ireland. not‘ewm the land, and up to Lake Supor‘nr. 1 pointed out in the committee. and also in the House the other, day that My the revised statutes of Ontario. chapter 3, which is {alien as the ba- sis otthe measure. yhese counties-arc; ..... A inasmuhle- I pointed out 17;“ in grandeur an claim of the lakes in II Victoria. There are 0 W7! Loads runni n": into ‘LA‘ A- . ’1 wove I think we can- ttt \an support the de- he~ mittee that Victo- uih‘m-tnn should be allied ; 5| if not so paid hat while the minor (Continual On ictoria. es (Victoriaâ€"4““? a falsehood plea. lmit that I am ad sometimes. As I 5 this thing out. the House have H a. The one Ipssable, that Alomt the. ,)â€"-They say ploasantl." am addicted As I say, 1 V? fro: “"9512