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d165, ’. ILL st D! 'ille. The Pacific Cable. hon, gentleman wanted also to "V Winion upon the Pacific cable. '° ”’3’ to say to him that we ”hat in a position which wu [not at the time accept. The ban. P333136 agreed that Canada. into office. w tract for the rt that the late Gm 0 pay too den to get from 1 n attempting Denice. We 1 l as we had made has not We have not hon. gentlema Would give u: Movided for 1 “any out that Mae mum c E‘the Allan con infamous franchise act ? Who dice with the still more in- redistribution bill ? Who carv- vince of Ontario into monu- shameless deformity. monu- shapeless deformity t the d of even greater deformit to nstinct of right and j 2 thou. gentleman asked me where was our constitufional‘ pass the set we proposed. t the constitutional power of the Commons to undo every '70!“ e Justice to those__who have wrong. (Hear, hear.) We do . assuredly. to mm the of members of the House. but aim and purpose to undo the us. the supreme injustice. vas done against the liberties at Dle in 1882. (CheersJ Let me he hon. gentleman that I should med of myself it we were to zn the path trodden by friends. We do not want In! dzce; what we want I: to M“ l)‘ for them as well as for us. 3 here in the consciousness 0‘ 938th. and. so help me GOG. 1‘ Ve shall have that strength In um of the people, but never try 19th0d8 as were resorted to h! |- gentleman. (Cheers.) Fast Atlantlc Service. iii-1’ 'derive much comfort from t. (Hear. hear.) an of Redistribution. gentieman passed from tbs! of redistribution. He does yet what our plan of redistri- ‘1i be. dentinâ€"That does not make rence. (rid Laurierâ€"No. that does not y difference. He condemns it ce. because to him. I regret to to his party. the word redis- means gerfymander. There ster import in the very “I'd. isay to my hon. friend that he isess his soul in patience. He wanted to play with loaded Io. our effort is to unload the Zheers.) Who loaded the dice, to know ? “'ho loaded the dice , mam in what be mold: of popular chamber II “it “x . on It: probably the ooh by . misluuva body M g. in lexlnlaflve haw poo- !oWer House. ver. 1 five in all easel o! m In the Netherlands tho W t amend the bum at the but must accept or n. tnthelr entirety. The Brit- ot Lords cannot mum or money bill; neither an the Senate nor the upper Home: t the British dependencies. ze of the United Stats. how. Mend while it cannot ort. revenue or money hill. The a! the Prussian m nd the budget. A Cue in Point. countries there is a union Houses to consuer and pass which one or the other dis- nis is a. useful precedent. is borrowed from the system ted States. In some German Lpermanent committee repreâ€" B House or HEW”! then not told us had never existed untry. Sir. what would the tuna say it I had made such nt 1’ What floods at eloquence‘ have poured upon my W‘ m :â€"comments which I 1 :3 making. The hon. gentleâ€" ‘ d yawn-day also that be pro- stm the Province 0: Que-: mpany ulth my hon. trlead before me. against our W tom the Senate. and to l?- E-is the system which the how gentlemen; I do not believe George Cartier cold very much I.- question of the Senate. But I: another gentleman a great er. whose name has been grow- since his deathâ€"Mr. Dorian- re upon that question. I place gain in the judgment of the her: I say that of all the that were made on that ocea- most statesmanllke. the most dug in its appreciation of the 733 the speech or Dr. Dorlon: Dorion depicted to the letter mid be the evils of on Irreâ€" : Senate. So. if the hon. gem pes to the Province of Quebec to appeal to the movie won Luge of (Tau-tier. I dq notA be- .-n attempting to muse I" mice. We have not been ll :1 as we had hoped; the con- made has not been Implement- we have not waited for In hon. gentieman suggested that would give us. He said that provided for cold storage. We any out that contract. but the was. m: N" . p 00“ ”mil.“ | lnvlco "had to ‘1 lol- or popular 6M MI doc!“ w. m mum: ,1 W03. 7“ 90 W b prom ‘ ' . miniature 50‘ M In mama» we, ‘Houfl. , ~‘1‘..- Se system is E-ésibnEixx'é Government "ever errvc ' 1011 between the m uld be a. joint sum it than ountr)’. not want to now in exist- there 9119338! r91 spectable ? I took an opportunity to have those figures checked. end I am bound to say, and I m to the hon. agn- tlemm with gmt “faction. that the or to give anything troy. but I on sled to be eble to say that before long I hope to be In o position to nuke an on- nouncement to the hon. gentleman end to the House on this subject. The Wuhmcton Negotiate”. But the hon. gentlemen devoted fin “raw ”‘3 rum ‘? mg: 1 I on- w c p e - 3°91 Hg Mend no leu than three I must be thankful to him. not for what he hes done, but for his good intentions. Then he complained of the length of the sitting. True, there were adjournment: during the sittings. but the commission sat tron: the latter part of August to a. little beyond the middle of Februaryâ€" Iet us say six months. Is that very extraordinary in view or the results of the commission upon which the hon. gentiemnsathimselt33etoldusyes- terdnyâ€"he could not forget to tell usâ€" that he had been sitting with Mr. Chamberlain in Washinxton to neuio the question 01 the North Atlantic fish- eries. Hewshesnttortwomonths. I think he ant to: more than two months:a.ndhehndonlyonesubject undattwomonths. Wehndtenor twelve subjects to deal with: we had the Atlantic fisheries for one. the Bering Sea. fisheries for another. the Alain boundary for another. the bonding priv. iiege for another. the reciprocity ques- tion for another. the alien labor law for another. the inland nter fisheries for another. and two or three more which I forget at this moment. Having to deiiberate upon all these subjects within six months. it seems to_ me that hours. I Mamieâ€"W's a. whom» he odd. whom" one!“ hecmtmlunretotuloutoln- demand. except on one not“. mm mm thot when we mourned we than not hove “journal. but mm but broken 0! the muon- ol I shall come to thet prnentty. t l m» follow the hon. gentlemen no he pro- ceeded :-U that ountlon he told an. and old [not credit for It. thot he had lntended to luv. 3 mm ll the Provlnoe o! Quebec to put betel-o the people la the Mme the true attention. been“ he bellevod. to use Me on worth. whloh 1 tool: down. “that t! the true oondltlon o! thlm were properly "prorated to the people of that Provlnco. the oondltlon of pnblto optnlon would be dlflorent to whet it to to-dny.“ And thle I bear whoed by my friends from Kontmorenoy (Mr. Cum-um) 3nd Beouhnrnoll (Hr. Ber- ger-on). What have theee hon. gentle- men been doing 7 Hove not they been doing their level beat to properly re- present the condition of things to the people of Quebec ? And my friends from Bherbrooke (Mr. Ives) and Compton (Mr. Pope) and Jacques Ca:- tler (Mr. Monk)â€"ba.ve they not been properly representing the state of at- falru to the people of Quebec ? But the hon. gentleman tells us that he re- frained from carrying on this campaign. 3. 3 ber of the commission he would have been able to solve by his authority with his party many of the difficulties we had to contend with. He was replaced by another eminent gentleman. Mr. Payne: but unfortunately for the time our negotiations were delayed. The Late Lord fierschen. Then there was the unfortunate and the most deplorable death of Lord Her- schell. My hon. friend spoke eloquent- ly yesterday of Lord Herschell; he could not have said enough of him. He was not only a great J udte, he was not only a great statesman. he was not only a clever diplomat. but he was as true a friend of Canada as ever crossed the Atlantic. (CheersL) I was grieved when we had not any too much time. But that is not all: we were much delayed by various circumstances: for instance. the untimely sickness and death of Mr. Dingley. Now. sir. I am bound to say of Mr. Dingley that he was a man not well known in this country. He was known for one thing. for being a pro- tectionist like my hon. friend: he was not a free trader as my hon. friend knows. but he was a protectionist. as ardent a protectionist as my hon. friend himself. He was a man of strong eon- vlctions. and my colleagues and myself who knew him well are but doing that justice to his mem- ory which he deserves when , ,__-_ In..-) we say that a. fairer man never lived; He was a man of strong convictions. 31â€" ways ready to argue but always ready to be convinced. For my part. I de- plore most sincerely his untimely death. I am sure that had he mgnalnedp; pear w u: uv. spmâ€"- _-v_ of W Herschen. that he thought of Canada. not only with enthusiasm but with conviction and devotion. How- ever. all these circumstances led us to the period which we reached at last, and which the public knows. Now. sit. the hon. gentleman assumes that in all these negotiations we have been 2e13- Question. thnt uge_wegeinot dealing with __- _-Ll-_ an]? I saw in some Canadian newspapers last fall the statement that Lord Hex-- schen was trying to settle some at the questions at issue by a. sacrifice of Can- adian interests. Sir. there never was a more false statesmen} male in the press. and I hope the Canadian news- papers will at once endeavor to re- pair the evil which they have done in this respect and to proclaim, as I have a right ito_do. spegkiqx from knowledge A‘â€" .___L5 ‘0 -v'e_,_ broadest lines. even on the beds or ;unrestr)cted redprodty. that Sir Charles Tupper returned to Waning- Fton with Sir John Thompson and the man. Mr. Foster: - .-.‘A-_ -- as he has done more than once. and as he did last year when he found his party would not follow him. he trted to equivoeete and pettifog in order to get out at the hole in which be p himseif. We remember whet took place last year on the Yukon question. _When our contract was made known Ythe hon. gentleman rushed to the office [or a friendiy newspaper to publish an Hutu-view and to endorse the eontnct. iHe wanted to guide pub‘iic ’opinion. He] was moved by patriotic motives. But when it on the very floor of this House by mem- bersothisown party.a.ndinourvre‘ sence. The hon. member for East York (Mr. unclean). when} we_nn regret‘ano: But before I pass to that I will quo‘e to him one or his own organs. to show thatl do him no mastic» He was well understood by his own party to he." made an offer of unreatflcted reciprocity. Three years he" he went to Washington min. andonthelOthotAm-n. 189i. the ableot and most mpectgple 9533.? of -lv-a. â€"-- â€" -v-__ Therefore I do the hon. gentieman no injustice. Here is the organ of his own party setting forth his own etutude. But. air. the hon. gentleman did then. __.j -- expected as much. and I provided in!- eei! for it. I expected the hon. gentle- men would ettempt to deny it. But deny it he cannot. thcuth he mey try to ecuivocete end quibble" end petti- toc upon the subject. The hon. Jen- tiemen will not deny thnt he won one. in Wuhinetou negotietinc e. treety; he wee once in Wuhinlm to solve the ueetion of the Atientic fisheries. end offend to settle the point on the hail of whet he celled unrestricted reciprocity. I do not went to idle emanate“ oi the hon. [en- tienen. hon. uncle-en will tell methotledid ”thicken-om unrestricted rocity. but he an en unrestricted er ct reciprocity. 'i‘ne hon. gentlemen wm not deny thet he an“ en Isreetrieted otter oi recivfofl- lir chutes 'ru per-I eey thil. Mr. mm. to the on. tieinen. it he permit me to me the observa- tion 3 An odor of unrestricted reciproci- ty end on unrestricted otter or reci- Mt Ire two things as diulmilnr II III. t end dey. (Ironicni Government own.) The term unrestricted recl- precity covers whet it states. but on oiier of reciprocity that wee not re- stricted is es diitcrent trom it u nilht tram any. The Prime Ministerâ€"We have it now. An otter of reciprocity covers whet it means. What did it mean. the reci- rocity without restriction? Reciprocity n mcnutnctured products. reciprocity in uriculturei products, reciprocity in mining products and in the products of the form. That wee whet wes meant by unrestricted reciprocity. What did an unrestricted otter o! reciprocity meen ? Did it include products of the farm ? If it did it wee not restricted. Did it include products of the mine 9 If it did it was not restricted. Did it include products of the sea ? If it did it was not restricted. Did it elude manufactured products ? I! it di t was not restricted. It was tweedledum end tweedledee. or six of one and halt a dozen of the other. (Hear. hear.) I Want to know when he made his offer of unrestricted reciprocity to the Ann- erican authorities what he did mean. Did he mean to have it accepted or not? He would not say that he meent it to deceive: he would not say that he meant to have it refused. He could have otter-ed it only to have it accepted. and it it had been accepted. the re- sult would hove been unrestricted reci- procity. But. sir. the hon. gentlemnn did as he did on another occasion. They Called it Unrestricted Reciprocity. lull} mums“). wuv-u. Viv _. --.,, - toaeeinhieamtto-day, butlamghd to hear he will be present brand-bye. simply took him by the throat and tore- ed him to take another attitude. Then there was the hon. gentleman from West York (Mr. Wallace), who :31de him on the other cheek and forced him to take another attitude. Then there was another member trom York (Mr. Footer). without any qualification at position he assumed : and as they Would not follow where he led. he foliowul where they brought him. (Laughter The hon. gentleman also said that we had been at Washington as humble sup- pliants at the feet of the Am- erican people. Humble suppliants at the feet of the American peoâ€" ple! Sir. it ever there was a man who was an humble suppliant. if ever there was a. man who disgraced ‘ and humiliated Canada. at Washington, it was the hon. gentleman who had the audacity to make such a. charge against us. Does the hon. gentleman believe that we do not know his his- tory. and that we have lived all these years without knowing what he was doing 7 Let me recall to the mind of the hon. gentleman what took place in these very negotiations with reference to which The Montreal Gazette has re- ferred. Mr. Speaker. once upon a time there was a general election in Canâ€" wao the High Commissioner for Can! ado: he was the representative of the Canadian people. not of one party, but of all parties. His duty was to stay in London and to discharge the duties of his office there. to etand by the rights of the Canadian people as a whole. He left his ofllce. he came to Canada. he stumped a trom one end to the other in favor and in behalf of the Con- servative party. forgetting his position. But let that pass. He mule the state- ment. which was. to any the least of it, remembering the ruling of Mr. and cheeri). A Reckless Statement. wt: y'all-v u... - not agree. he .iae'fi'cu'i KommIsslon- ers did not want to have an umpne. They Meg three comb-loner- 0!: -Ac. ‘.‘ .1“ wâ€"ys‘. w... -v___._,, 31:31:11: and three on the- 69? side. To this we could not ass-:3. beam 8!:- Charles hyperâ€"gm. hear. ., A .A _.A mum P“. It. m. vauld noun the hon. rntlomn. ad would mm him cor- Iuly 1nd oourtoowy. but than an: I flaunt: of not to be named between t m. unnum- [anomaly word! am the 1 than did not come from him. tad he want- ed that not mmma be- fore the hon. mthnurwu "coma. Th0 comm" any tho hon. mtlomm was in the one. o! In'mum. Ind h- rocordl mm»! chm hum-vim which took plum In . mum to Mr John Mu:- donud. Ho am Madame propan- tory romru. For am. he mot pm at the unmet o! the mm In Mr. mum'- o a: tho 00ml! Ambu- uaor wu than. for Monaco: the Dm- uh Ammo-ado: wu (hm no: be but! to Wt some um. but-tutor ho nu "ma mu than mt pow-onus! had withdrawn be m admitted. Ind m1- 1- why he ”Ad tgok_ mace. Hero “I to.“ "no-u. u- â€"â€".-_. â€"~-- uu- .- _ , , , V in Sir Chat-lea? aeoount of it :--"I told Mr. Blaine that I wiahedg in the Outret. to recognise the accuracy of the state- ment contained in hit letter to Sir JI- iian Panneefote. which I had aeen. in reference to the initiation of the mo- tiationl‘ngardin: reciprocal trade ar- rangement: between the two countries.” He had to eat humble pie. and when he had eaten it be war heard. This is the man who tells us we are “wham- at the feet of the United States; the man who was forced to admit that in order to carry on the negotiations he had to correct etntementa that could not be maintained. Point of Disagreement. Now. air, to come back to the nego- tiations. A: I said. the negotiations did not take place on the question of reciprocity more thumpon any other question. They took ptaee on all the subjects. and finally.- ae is we}! known. we could not agree upon the question of the boundary between Alaska and Canada. My mouth in closed on this subject. and I cannot speak ; but there has been a statement made ofllclaiiy by theJ‘oriegn Office. comm: horn the communion itself. whlch has given to the public 2e reasons why we coma 7 - â€" â€"_.â€"_l_-CA-- uu- way-w-v-vâ€" .. v..., .v..-..-_â€"_ to any that ntlemen'repreoentinl the Dominion Connor-3nd propoflinl ‘0 discuss the‘commerciai relations of the two countries mly be muted o! a courteous and cordial reception in w by the Government of the United total.” The Prime mnisterâ€"I em slid to see the! in this et least we hnve the IV probndon of the hon. gentlemen. The hon. gentleman tells us mt u soon as the American commissioners took thnt position we should have refused tlon thus created. The Canadian com- missionary-Mr. Speaker; why did he not speak use 0! the Banish commis- sioner ? It the Canadian commission- ers should have come beck. what was the British commissioner Ito (SO. I want to know ? The hon. :entiegnnn wnnted was not ‘lniuuted’ by me. butgon the mum. that the prune arrangement of which 1 ”(me was but 1 modifies” don of your proposal; and In no sense a: origin“ lune-non from the Gov- ernment of the United Staten. With this 0:91“..qu _It only remains for me , ___Ll_- v luv“ a nu uvu. .vâ€"..-..._._ L c us to break on the negotiations in a pet. and incur all the consequences of such a break. We thought it more Wise. more dignified and more in the intereeta of Canada (omiva to the Im- perial Government and the American Government the opportunity of havinz acme generous 181k on this question. with a. view 0: arriving nt come nettle- nlent.‘ In there a man' here but the hon. gentleman who would blame us for that ? The hon. gentleman spoke of not area on a question like the one to which I have referred. we had followed the course proposed by the hon. gentle- ceptable ? We thought they were not acceptable. and we did not accept them. but because we did not accept them we thought it the part of honorable men and of true Britiah subjects to give a last opportunity to have those questions settled amicably. and I believe the ma- Jcrity of the Canadian people will sup- port us in this as in other matters. The hon. gentleman said. “You should have come back and initiated a policy of re- taliation.” Sir Charles Tuppeoâ€"No. The Prime Ministerâ€"d be: the hon. gentleman's pardon. The hon. Static- man said: "Do not have a policy of retaliation in name. but have it in fact all the name." He told no the other day. in s speecn he delivered in the country. and more or less repeated yet- terda'y. that we should have a policy of retaliation in the Yukon: because Canadian miners in the United States have not all'the rights which are given to Amerimn miners. that we should have the same policy in Canada. for American miners. Sir Chute: Tapperâ€"No. the hon. gen- tieman has misunderstood me. On the contrary, I stated that in the Yukon the United States had given Cancun who iecte on the Amen-won side of the boundary the some privilege. that we give to Americans. and they did that byanutOQConcreupueedoinoe the meetin: or this House but year. The Prime Khmerâ€"My hon. Mend doesnotdohimseltju‘ioe: heme. a. untament which in northecurue. The Man the some right! a were given to American miner. iii: the Yukon: but. air. thin in a harm right. and the hon. gentiequm oughtto know it. What , L..__ A- A_-_.l_ 1.er .. ...â€"- -e , .. --,,, but we license. the American will not sell to Canadien miner. nor licenee. This is the position. I have reed my hon. friend's epeechel recently with great attention. and I believe. upon. my word, tint my memory is better then his: andheleldlnaozmwordethet we should luv. the ante policy to- wards American minutiae ere given to Canadim mlnere in theruhou. Sir Charles Tapperâ€"No. throughout Canada. - The Prime Minister-“r! well. run doeehemeen? ”We-noun! henthe tune licylntherukou? Maid". have men pondble. sir. but the hon. gentleman should not-forget thet it 'on the Senate Reform Resoiution Ca:- rbd in the Legislature. OPPOSITION SHIFT GROUND NOV. oir. I hovo nothing noon to do role“ It tuhovo : hot 3‘? l mu onto. my no u o totho hon. tiemon thotlnthioioot h whic ho hoo dollvorod ho ha I a himool! onco moro. and m mot. thou ovor. to ho toâ€"rooklooo. o8- trovogont. unroiiohlo. ovor roodv to pondor to poooion ono Module. ovor roody to cunhlo owoy tho moot ooo- rod intorooto of thio country for tho chonoo of o potty moo . Al to «I. who hovo now boon in looo thou throo yooro. upon our rooord. ouch oo it inloloimwooonoppoolwtthoom donoo o! oonndonco not only to tho importiol Judmt of tutor! but to tho foir vordict ct moo now li . I do not cloim that on how boon m from importootton or infirmity. hot I do oloim thot we hove done oomo lut- tno' oorvicn to thio countryâ€"«rota which will livo in tho hoolto and mind. of tho pooplo. and which will otiil hoot mm o. loot time ottot tho loot at no hoo loin down in his moo. Sir. I claim thio. and I clolm it with oomo do- cm of oonildonco. Wo hove oioood on on pointul and donut-om in tho hil- ton ct our country; we have hoolod oomo burnlnl' ooroo which won tut outing into the very hoorto of our poo- ple: we have brought hot-loony ond peoco when diocofll hod Iona reigned: we hove toconcilod men long outraged by hitter otrite: we have touxht them to hove confidence in themoclvoo on-l one onother, and. above oll thing. we have taught them to have Ioith. and on obid- In: filth. in the lnotitutiono under which we hove the honor to live. This further I claim. we have closed one on and hove opened onother in the history or the trade relations of the_emptr£. ,A;_ A A hove only this to any to my hon. friend. that whatever may be the policy which shall be followed by this Government it shall not hsve reference to sny pol- icy followed by the United sum. The inspiration of our policy shall be the consideration of the best interest. of the Dominion. nnd shall be derived within Consdo. end not from outside of SENATE MUST BE MENDED. Canada. W .I-uw Iwaiivâ€" W- We MY removed from our limbs the shackles which were impediments to freer trade within the broad domain- of our empire. and the policy we have thus introduced we shall pursue with care and confidence. and without undue haste. end with an ever-vizilnnt eye. and determinetion and conrue to move and to act ht the proper time end the proper lesson. (Loud and long con- tinued eppiange.) Whitney’s amendment expressing up- preciation o! the Beute'l action in re- Jccting the Yukon end mainland County bins. but upon a. further amendment moved by Mr. Cntmuen this afternoon deprecatin‘ nny chance in the constitution of the upper Chun- ber which misht digturh _the equilib- '\o m- ot hue on the part of the Opposition. Mr. Whitney’s proposition. asking the House to vote nppnovu o! the Sennte. namely deeerved to be treated serious- ly. but the Conservatives had nt least some basis of ugument when they touched the question of the constitution of the Senate. Mr. Camelien’l unend- ment was detected by a. vote of 48 to 37. end the amendment at his leader was declared lost on the name division. The same vote revemed procured the pass- ture. _ _ Parliament Buildings. Inch :1. The Legislature to-nitht by I. Mor- ity of eleven passed the resolution which was moved last week by Hon. Me. Hardy in furor of Seute reform. The division took piece. not upon )lr. Hum between the Dominion and the Province. ambushed at Conredentlon. Comparing the two unendments. It will be teen that there was} geclged cw Hon. Mr. Hardy intmduced c hill to amend the statute luv. The bill attends the manhood suffrage registration act by requiring applicants to swear to act on the revision of the voters' list in the districts where there is no stipen- diu'y Magistrate. sad the bill declare! the; the Government umu have power tomointmorethnnonelocalmmr in a. county or union of counties. In cueottheilineuornhsenceotnlocu Hunter. a Judge or junior Judge or deputy Judge of the count! my act I: load master. It in let forth that money: vented in minor or guudiui ad litem shall be deemed to be vested !" lav-l. ww- V- - gusse- ure in common use. where he is convemnt with more than one un- me. it he is or seven yem' sanding at the bar. The use or guida- vite in the Division Court is prohibited it they are worn before 0. eoiicitor or agent in whose behalf the enidavit is made. The bill permits the Division Court Judge to order a non-suit or die- miu the motion: or to direct the jury to cure:- question of fact submitted tothem."'1‘he¢imotemortxmar Niiotedeonenymrtottheemte of 5 Judgment debtot utter the reCelpt of the execution by the Short! will not. it ie deemed. prevent eubeequent execution creditors min: their claim under the creditors’ relief wt. or shu- Ins in the Wu 0! the money. realised by the Sheri! under the ant execution. the emount or the incum- bracetobededuohdmrmu-om’the mtwhiohvouid otherwise be pay- . Grub:- o! Broekvlno Advo- ontel the Abolition ol an Upper Chamber. Statute Luv Amendment; The New En Eiifiéfifii’é‘ii gé‘éigiiiegefiga Egiig 35? g: a gal EE?§E E35? 8 E333 gag E i 135;; Egega él :2: 55:3: v d ropoudtogotonnciendtogotit 'Itno W own-t their coins to on every ponihie ex- cuse. end on thie once-ion poetical-.117 time we: no pee-line excuse to lo *0 the him-t trilmui until the peonle. b7 their late. hnd given amnion to their opinion. In hie opinion the Pro- vinciel Pnrliement would be better mine to the Government nt Ottnwn. He [Ive fluore- ehowinu that the une- lete of leciliflore tor the Dominion won 7“. tu- too may. end consequent- ly too expeneive. he sold. tor n country with no email A popnlntion. For himself he wu not prepei'ed to any thnt some menwre of reform in heard to the nominntion of Sermon might not be advantageous, but not along the linen pmpoeed by the Attorney-General. In his (the eponlter'e) opinion a» Senior! should be elected Iron: constituted elec- tonl district! of the W. Kr. Cnuonllm' chm-ted that the literal wtyhod inminhietoryincm been the party of moonshine”. sad the: we: the one with“ to-du. To nupport thin he would. he said. need the letter in which. utter the election a 1891. Hon. Edward Bloke gave his nee.- eone for withdrnwin: from the pnrty. end thetcentieznnn knew the Liberals better than he (the speaker) did. Hon. Mr. Boaâ€"You were one of us then. (Government npplnme.) Mr. Camdlenâ€"It has been said. and laid truly. that the greatest and best of men change their opinions. but took never. (Opposition applauae.) He then read the letter. and after upon it reiterated his objections to the proposal. the chief of which was that the mandate of the people had not been sought. In conclusion. he moved that the following words he added to the amendment 0! Hr. W‘httney. ex- preuinz appreciation it the action of the Senate concerning the Drum Railway and Yukon haia. “and that House deprecates any change in constitution o! the Senate by which equiilhrm between the aevecal Pto- vincea and the Dominion or Oana eatabiiahed by the Britt-h North Amar- ioa act. may be disturbed." BEL Empire and the hot the Britain van mistreaaottheeeaa. Romaine“. however. to the corollary that the Home or was had anything to do man to make a apecinc charge in regard to any member eup- porting the Government. He would then be promptly granted a com- mittee ot inveuication. which it was very likely that Ir. Cat-sullen did not want. Mr. Graham ridiculed the idea that the reform or the Senate was prompted by the defeat of burglarione motivea cherished by the Liberals. aa untested by Kr. Caracallen. and he called to mind the raids on the treasury which had been carried on under the late Go In this connection he uttered an in tprotestag-ainstthe continual m 0! Hon. J. I. Tarte. and W that Don. gentle- man'a accuaea or show. one crooked act which he had committed since he Joined the Liberal par-U. Kr. Graham did not see hot Mr. Garaeailen could do otherwise than vote for the Attor- ney-General‘t resolution. because dur- ing the nntflminutuolhiaqeech he had argued against decentralisation in the Dominion. The Senate to-day had more power than Sir Charles Tapper or Sir Wilfrid Laurier. It had power to block the whole will at the people an expreaaed at the polls. Mr. Graham deeired to be p9t_on_reeord u favor-in; mg, “a; been vunly practised upon Premier we of Quebec to induce an. to pussmsoluuontnnvwotsensts reform. but the force of this era:- Mr. Hex-chsnd had consented to Intro- duce end pus such a. resolution. Had the Quebec Premier put such s. resoâ€" lution through. the old of! at French domination would hare been raised. Out of the Conservnttve “we“ would he.” come the old. moth-eaten ”(new on: Ont-do was in m from the enoroschments of Quebec. 3! his action. therefore. Premier )(uchsnd had deprived the Opposition lender of â€"_ â€"-r_-e a. cry the: he would other-1n Mn rebel. Mr. amulet: had meted that the when mapper-tin: the Govern- ment could not clve independent votes. beam they elther had got awar- trom the Government or Wen la ex- pecmt n of tsvou. Kr. Gnhun 13» also“: y repelled the allegation. end be challenged the hon. gentle- “Vs-awn- -v v- ,7 the abolition of the Senate. 31:. Whit- ney had Illd he did not know at my newspaper or entity in the Province of Ontario that m in tavor of abolition. Hr. Whitneyâ€"I said except The Globe. Kr. Grahamâ€"Well. outside o! The Globe there in another entity. it you wm permit me to call myself an en- tity. I en in (two: ot the total aboli- tionottheSemmbeceueeIthtnhit in out o! harmony with the dementic institution at 1 young country like our-I. And I need no attonaer pron to my eminent: then the epeech deliver- ed by the member for East Hamilton. I-ic pointedoutthntwe'eretoomuch governed. and declared thnt it one the duty of the Government to lighten the burdens ot the people. Be followed the ”I. m. w -vr--- e- do evil and to pmem its power to do good. The Senate (“d not cmte the Provinces. but the Provinces created the senate. would u be ertued. there- tore. tor n moment that the meeting bcdlea had not the power to eflect re- forms whenthesenntewuoutolheb may with Canadian sentiment 2 81:- Chu-Iu moor -'Il woe-ted u say-- 2:11;!” %e muéhm been t in re er- !“ ”'QO _ .2 M 3 3 § terence to the elected. and KP- Gnhun quoted from the Nova. Scotia. debite- the chateau the Mt hon. Baron! brought the mic 0‘ W Province In- to Oontedenflon without twins them I chm to pronounce “9°" the “M” Benentto mm The hon. member for East Hamilton menu-(ed thatthe leenl witty WI! Manama-om oneendottheconl- trytotheotherlnthembottheCon- me-WW Provlnoee er the Donate was net a mad one, and h on 0! thin cen- tention he quoted an an authority. no tar aa he had read there could not he found the world over a mud Chamber managed. m filled and operated n way c - uteri-do of the Canadian Senate. (Covenant .) In Germany. Norway and r countrlea. Switzer- land particularly. the method of ap- pointing the upper Home was almoet the name ea the method now propoeed in Canada. Mention had been made by on. gentlemen of the Houee of nor a. but he held that while there wee contrast there who no compari- eon between that body and the Senate. 1! the Home at Lorda blocked legio- lntlon a sudden! number of new mom- hera could he ap inted to remove the deadlock. Carma had no such eate- I'uand: only under the moot extraordin- ary circumstances. affecting Imperial noflcy, for instance. could Senatera be added where a deadlock occurred. and then the nurnher of appointmenta was linitedtoux. BpeakincoftheYnhoI bill. he eald the “once of that con- traotwaaapeed. Therewunottlme for the Government to aubmit the ques- tion tethepeoplaandneitherhad the Senatehowedtothewmotthepeo- pie. They had simply blocked the bill. and aa a realm millions of dollars were finding their way into the pocketa of merchants In Seattle, San Francisco and Went». and into the callers of American transportation companies. which ahonld have gone to the merch- ants of Canada. It was worthy of remark. too. that the very men who had protected against the granting of the lands for the Yukon railway had in their day given millions of acres- tn land. millions in money and a his monopoly to the C. P. R. Kr. Graham. then spoke of Sir Meade Bowen. He did not dellre. he said. that anything on tho pct-7.0? the horgéfitiemu. The theory nut tho constitution could not be amended without the coolant of the Ottawa'- w Mr. Powell (Ottawa) geld the views whlch had been w on the Gov- ernment aide were utterly at variance with the speech of Sir Wlltrld Lender at Iona-eel. “each the Premier sud theSenetewasell right. buttheton the melon of a. deadlock there should be e joint vote at both Homes. end the muoflty should prevail. 11:. cm had argued for the abolition at the Ben- ate. It would be better to eholhh the Senate then to lave 9. joint vote. Since Contedernuon the Senate had thrown out 47 public blue lntrodwed under 0. Conservative Government end 18 public hula brought in under n Liberal In- mry. He cited thll u an evidence that the Senate we: not n ma body. MLLumsdensaidthel-ewasapre- cedent tor the retorm of the Senate in theehauesmadeinlflintheeo-ti- tation of the Legislative Council. whereby it was provided that the mem- bers should be elected every ten years. me change deepened the independence and eimted the character of that body. So much independence was dis- played that the Legislative Council re fused to pass supply unless the system of holding migratory sessions (:1 Parlia- ment was stopped. The nomination of SenatorstotheSenatehadbeenmost bnneful. and had converted the upper Chamber into a mere echo of Conserva- tive Ministries: The Senators had been termed watch-docs. but they had been dumb docs whenever pernicious Con- forMmbutwhueitwasnotanha wanteditwasthehest heeouldset. andthaetmhewoudmnfis supported themodonnotbeesuaeha yielded any servfle allegiance to the Government. but because itwasintha best interests of the country: V‘wu - -v.â€".. _-- a Mr. Lucas maintained that the oniy purpose or the radiation was to bolster up the Dominion Liberals. It was a W precedent for the Gom- ment to seek to obtain a declaration from the Legislature on a question outside its Jurisdiction. Chem: Remarks. Hr. Fey contended that the question wantonemrdbcueeioninthem Home. the member- wouid be better employed loom alter matters con- mmmmaweuonpm- Vince. When. however. the Govern- mmwummmtm up they should have bronchton the mmuummmm not first the that]: el- be onthe mentandre- Youâ€"Allen. Bu‘r. Bout! (Leeds). Boyd. hunt. eat-nude. W aolquhoun.‘ Demo-e1. Duff. EDD". mm, m. Fox. Gunther. Hadrian. Hoyle. Janie-on. hoop. Jont. Kidd. Krill. Little. Lucas W. Mathewn. 1(me lion-hon. IcDonaJd. Mc- nu‘mm, Powell. Pym. mm (Adding- (nu-k0. Douglas. Dryden. Men. reunion. Gan-row. German. Gibson. Gram Gmbord. Hmourt. Hm. Barty. am. mnop. Holmes. Len mam. Lam!- den. “can. Hattie. m In- Ku. McKee. PMee, Panda. ammo. Pettypieoo. new Ron. Russell. warmâ€"“- ‘u_ ,A __ ‘_l_“ . ”fie Men: was then tout and the resolution was declared art-M on the name vote. It m moved by Hon. Mr. Hardy. wounded by Hon. Mr. Ross. that an humble “an“ be prepared to he: Wtheoueemtobeslznedbythc Speaker and Clerk of this House. em- bodying the nemluuonl meeting the Senate of Candi. adopted by am Home this any. and min: tint mach "65:2;qu seam-mu m =â€" Kours. struton and Reid (Wed Dur- ham). Bowman and Cam Smith and Tucker. 7 __ _______ , his and. tart Col.- tew MI anon. ll 1, “833' tuo Bri- (or 0n- 'n lately .he can- latched; {em am: but vucatifl purenh. sps of hi tar nod! '10th Mr. and few days. lethodut’ ' maniac Boris. in otDufl- ; doctor‘- liburtm. of Fort ably 1‘- 1r. Amt. bruiniu ah tra- cit'y 03 amt