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Lindsay Weekly Post (1898), 17 Apr 1903, p. 4

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r" mm: mm. Hardwm Omltowue Thwuc Window Glass Mixed Paints moth“ Wringers Washing Machines Step Laddets Coal Oil Machine Oils 5:00p Shovels Manure Forks Horse Brushe- Call and see our ”SHITHING A] " C u..â€" it will be a terrible thing it Gamey unwed: in proving that the Liber- ala actually contributed to a «fund and got evidence together to protest his election. Such a charge is quite .â€"â€"- ' Near Wilkeabarie another bed of anthracite in which it is said there {Qtâ€"billion dams worth a duel has been (found. What a pity that natur- al bounty could not be preacrvcd [or toll. She Ottawa Citizen concludes that Gamers "atenographer'": more no greet ahakee after all, but whether the notes were shorthand not“ or not. verbatim at ntherwiac. it thinks the: no god enough. It might have some lather and said whether the suitors were with“. 100k mule-u o! Sullivan or not the noted would unit it jut 3: Mll._; '. ' ‘ . pprt at part od‘ Mr, Gamers Cross- e_xa.xnination. It is worth thinking, over in view at his statement that he was deliberately laying 'a trafi (or the Government: , ' -vv wv v..- -__ The Chicago company is said to have already spent several million of dol- lars in the building of tn’nncls for its wires; and will have ten thousand Maybelle: iu~ operation within the next twoor three inonth’a. ‘ . 7 Luvs“; FRIDAY Do you swear .Mr. Gamay, member- clect (or Manitoulin. that you do not know the day on"- wln'ch you got that money, $3,000. the tanning point in your lisfe. and the mteot the Ministry. you do not know, the date on which: you got it? A’.â€"-I tell you. as I said before, I won’t mweu positively which day. OUO people living outside of towns anti cuties will have their letters and memmapers deliverqd daily _at [their £10095. ‘ . . u "d ' . - ' Here is the Mail: and Ennp'u'e‘a re- .Tho growth of the rural delivery mrvicc in the United Staten mny be mat txon the (not that Constant npproprinted 312500.000 tor the m:- nl "dainty service during the nut {larval you. beginning July 1. and the department will catnbl‘mh 15,000 new rout" on the money. '03 March 15 ‘tbcre you 14.095 route- already in operation, and by July 1 thin num- ber will be increased by the natunl‘ Irowth of the service to 15,000 routes. Thus it is expected by the and o! the next fiscal year, which will be June 80. 1004. ta have 80,000 aural carrier} in motiqnnand 15.000.- n A,_____ One by one. the things: of life be;â€" como. mere mechanism by the irre- sistible march of science. We had just got used to the telephone girl when along; comes the information that the hello girls have got to go. The invention is already satisfac- torily at work in adozen or more cities of small size, and its promoters are certain it will pme sucewsful on alarge scale. By means of the. automaatic switchboard the girls at the central stations are wholly/done” away with. When a number is want- ed you simply turn a small dial, like that which operates the 'combina: tion. of a vault, to the numerals which Make up the required number, in their consecutive order. Then you pm.» abntton which rings the call .1301} on the other telephone; and the- coonection is complete. l’rhfe. whole mention is automatic and almost instantaneous; iio one can break in aâ€"ihicrupt or overhear a conver- mtion: and aperson speaking can- not be cut of! before hg hag finished. I am asking you it you will swear to the (act that you got within six months 1mm this date - seven months at any rateâ€"$3,000 from a Minister of the Gram: to bribe you. the member-elect tor Manitoulin, and you can't swear 'the ‘day . on which you got it? in that what you :want to swear to? A.;â€"-I tell yogâ€" - it was. 'VYea or no! A.â€"I won’t swear which date it Wan. ; .1! am not asking you that quest non at all. Answer ' In; _qpestiom, 535 you will. pérhaps (ind Yancugh to do? A.â€"I can’t swear whichf day fife Weekly Po_s£ peopicdree iron} the speculatora’ 112 Kent It.» Ends? EDITORIAL lam TPRI L 17 Curvy Combo Stave Pipeund Elbows Stove Boards Stove Black! Pipe Varnish Stove Repaits Stove Mica Evetrough Conductor Pipe Pumps Sinks Iron Pipe and Fittings Brass fittings PLUIBING Montreal. â€"J. W. Leonard.” superinc . tendent of the Canadian PdCific Railo 'way at Winnipeg, is to succeed Tho- mas Tait as manager of Wort..- ' tion vAâ€"tw‘t o'clock the Commission nd- jammed, Mr. J ohnston's cross-ex- Iaminntio'n not, having been conclud- MAN“ 1le HIS SIORY. o (Continued (re: use 11) ' were no} mende at Me. The Mme-es said that; may were a, unlntaueee. and ueuld nee. recall ever Ming am: one!!!“ A “deal” with them nature, W38: D. A, Janos. he had had one deal in miner-M lemlu, He admitted hu'lug «old. stock in the "Puf' wine. but declared mat it WM 61mpâ€" l on commission. and denied that. a property was worthleli. Alkod film had ever met any member or the Government prior to last Sept- ember, witness replied am he had casually met. Hon. E. J. Davis at. Sudbury three years ago. an Knowlodgo of an“... 0:41th was the man that you only know. Stratton you didn't know or any one else in connection with them. ‘And until the day that this man, according to your story. ooid you $3.000 you never had met him? A.â€"Yes. I had met him ,the day below that. _ LA -41! annu- ”d - -____,, Q.â€"':\nd then ion the first. occasion he was to‘ pay you money, as you understand? A.â€"ch, sir. . Mr. Johnstonâ€"I have a right to lay what witness says to F1“: Q.-And that being so, of cofirsa the fifteen hundred dollars you talk aboutâ€"and I want to deal with this before I deal with the correspondenoo â€"the fifteen hundred dollars that. you tam about Was not. your mon- ey? A .â€"Yes. it was my money. Qâ€"‘I: {tor strangers to each other as far as you‘ kn-W? A -Except in this, that Sullivan had been arrang- ing this. The Chancellorâ€"I éon't think there should be any personal remarks. Q.â€"'I‘rue, loyal and firm? A.--II my om: opinion. pom 0! this trial, To “596‘ . the money to honor the c a he admit- t'g‘d having sold 81,5 worth 0! stock in tho Crossin‘ Piano Can. puny 'during the first week 0! April to fir, .W, R. Smythe, M,P,P,o!or Alâ€" gom. _ . - - A- n ,,,,o,_!__. -J '1. av. xv 'w- â€"‘. _.- Q.â€".~\nd on the last occasion, ac- cording to your story. you saw him in his office and was introduced to him by Frank Sullivan) A.â€"Ye.. -1-â€" Qrâ€"I am not asking you that. Ut- ter strangers to each othez. as far as you kneW? Look this \yay. plensv? A.â€"ch. I will look at you, don't worry about that. ‘ Mr. Johnstonâ€"A man like you might not worry about anything, I ahould judge. No Pomml Ron-flu Allowed. Mr. Blake-I don't. think Mr. Johnâ€" ston has any right. to Say anything like that. Q.â€"'Tho neit'occasion was the {ol- lowing day that you met Mr. Strat- ton in his officeâ€"is that right? A.â€" QIâ€"‘Did you meet him on the 3rd day or that occasion? A.â€"I w have met him prior to the 19th duy of September: I didn‘t. swear posi- tivelywl didn't: Q.â€"I am not asking you that, gt all. I am asking you if you know 0! any meeting or had any howled“ o! Strntton penonully prior to the time when Frank Suluvu: introduc- ed you, as you any? A.-â€"No. Witness mum-d thnt so urge . mun as $2,000 hud never paid through his bnn'e nccount gt. Sud- bury pflor to Sept. 10. His-uh.- tlons with ‘Mc‘Crogor Were o! bud- ncu, vxcopt thou Mining out of “an {act that he was Secretsry of tho Comet-mu" Association 0! hit!“- lag. Q.-No doubt about that? A.-â€"-No doubt. about that. . Q.â€"-From the “me of your doc- xlon down to the present tuneâ€"gm! I want you to be quite clearâ€"your ro- tations with your party always ro- mains the'same? 'A.â€"-Yel. Q -â€"And_ as I Say you wen playing the patriot. in your actions or ub- tempting to play the part of tho patriot in your unions which you have detailed to my learned friend. Mr. Blake? A.â€"Ca.!l it who: you like. Q.â€"Call it what you like. In dad a correct way of puttin it? A.â€" That word will do as wél as any. -w - ,H , , Q.â€"But until that occasion he was a. perfect stranger to .vgu? A.-â€"â€"Yes, prior to early in September. Q.â€"And in eight days after you got the money you had spent nearly the whole 01 it in your business? A. â€"I could not. lay. Q.â€"Thrn yam- relations to you: pgrfiy remained than the lune. A. Q. â€"-That is right? Agâ€"Yes. Q.â€"And on the 18$!) 0! September nearly twelu hundred dollars was taken out? A.â€"Might have been. Might haVo been some dram: over to thq Gpg‘o Bay Bank. Q.â€"Using the money of the briber and the bribed in connection with your ordinary business tranuctiona: that is the story that you tell? A.â€" Knowing that I could return it, not Enough to Pay Chock. Hr. Gamay when asked why he did so,- awid he did not want to carry it in his pocket so long. Mr. Johnston ‘1! ‘3“! 08 1194.3]! “0 1'“?! P9550“ Gamey had only $450 in the bank. Gamay identified a. ered cheque for 81, 500 he had slgne_d for the pur- ' Q.â€"You claimed that you had the right to keep it? AFI aid keep it. Q.â€"Di-d you claim that you had the right to use it? A.â€"Yes.‘ Q.â€"You deposited on the-12th day of December fifteen hundred dollars; gt Sudbury? Mr. Ritchieâ€"The 11th. Mr. Johnstonâ€"The 11th here; the 12th at Sudbury; is that right? A.â€" Q.â€"â€"An'd you used It in your abut!- my? A A.â€"_Used i; in my business. Gunoy Used tho Honey. Q.-â€"And you claimed that you the right to keep it? A .-â€"I used in!) “39 wane.‘ as- Played the Pntrlot. 'MR. GAIBY’S RECOLLECTION INDISTINCT. Q.-â€"And you statedjn your state- ment that it was the day betore that. that‘you got the money? A.â€"I did not state that in my statement. I stated that it I went in there about the 9th. I got the money on the 10th and went home on the 11th; and it I change my statement and find that I wentiin on the 10th. then I got the money on the 11th and went home on the nth. I went home on the 11th I Denies mt no Wu Bought. (.1.â€"Had you ever been thought be- fore? A.-â€"-I wag notbought then. dun 'u Dollbontely Dutroyod tho Olly Docu- nou In Witch 3 lone; Con-Mona.- Wu Intlo-odâ€"Ir. 0...! Robot- «I by tho Chic! Juanâ€"m new“. Iot'oon no Crou- Ian-her and Wino-e. Toronto, April 15.â€"â€"Tho Roynl Commission on the Gamay chum resumed Work yesterday morning. Among those precent were Mean. John Lee. H.P.P., J. W. St. John, M.P.P.. Andrew Pattullo, M.P.P., end Samuel Russell, M.P.P. Frank Sullivan was 11180 on hand us a. wit- "-The day you new introduced to him?" ‘ “Moat. likely." "Don't guess. please.” 5:16 the hwyer, we want nets. Was that. the ind ‘wo {met Mr. Strntton about 10.20, or perhaps 10.80." "Oh. yes," said Mr. Johnston. "ten minutes. more or less, in neith- er here nor there with u mm llko you." Mr. Gnmey add to the best: of his rccollcction ho lud met Mr. Strntlon st. 10.80. He continued: ."I llkoly staged until 11.30, and it might hue bash 12 o'clock. I left the ol- llco and did not not)". Strutton uoln that. day. On the next day 1 went up agnln, about 10.80. Funk Sulllvnn Wu with me. I cogld not _ 91m left Mr. ' Stntton .t twelve o'clock? A. --1 any About that: I don' t say I left him at twelso o'- clock exactly, , > _ -. second, day. Sullivan was 3180 on hand as a wit.â€" nws. and attracted considernhlo ut- tention' as he moved around. Mr. Johnston continued his crossâ€" examimtlon 0! Mr. Gum-y. the first question being in regard to the first day the witnew 1nd beam in Ir. Stratton'u office. The witness thought it was on the 10111 Septem- ‘Mr. Guney said it. was the any; "I was there about. th nuts: 0! a hour," continppd tho 3v toe-3‘. _!n ug- _._7, Wet co Mr. J ohnston'l vaflod queuâ€" tions. "0! course it might. be more. but I should any we were then from Lhree~quartcr| of an hour to a hour. We went into the one. 3.: 10 n.m.. but Mr. Station Was not In gt the time. Sullivan und 1 walkzd nbout the omen for a time 1!. never exmctod any rewud tor this, nor that he was to b0 u Illa!- Iter, and 'ncvcr said so to ”you. He saw Mr. Stratton on am an nbout 11.80. and left. him about 12 o'clock,’ having been with him only fifleen or twenty minutel. The Charicellorâ€"That is on the 10th. - Mr. Johnstonâ€"No, my Lord. the Q.-Those two occasions on tho only occasions you saw him in Sep- tember. Is that right? A.:â€"'l_‘h_ooo of. siy when I not Suntanâ€"pork.” u the Walker House." , 7 Q.â€"Y0u saw him on the two dgys. one after the other, consecutively: A. doubt about it Q.â€"Now, it was. of course, thg to tend day that. you got the money. according, to your» story? _ A.â€"Yeg._ Mr. Johnston then read from Mr. Gamey‘s statement in the House to tho eflect that he and Sullivan went to Mr. Stratton’s office first on September 9th, and afterwards. on September 10th, went agoin to his office. when he got the money, and he left for home on September 11th. He insisted that the statement to the House was substgntially correct because it said the first intenicw Was “about" September 9th. ONLY SEEKING EVIDENCE. CANNOT IDENTIFY Do“ Not Doflnltoly Romomlm Day Ho Saw Mr. Station. Q.--I see you stated in your state- ment that you left {or home on Thursday, the 11th, and that is true? A.â€"That is true. Q.â€"In your statement you say "It was the day before"â€"no matter what day that Wasâ€"that you got the money. Never mind the 9thrbe- gin at the other end? A.â€"-I did not say in my statement that I got the money the day before I left‘ for home. I said about the 9th I went into Stratton's office. I tell you now'fi'f I Went into Stratton's omen the first time on the 10th, then I got the money on the 11th. Unable u am Important Dam and 0mm In Irlbory Om. Q.â€"'[‘hut is quite right. Now your statement says, “We came to ‘th! conclusion that I should go on‘ and get some evidence that we could prove ithow far they would go, and whatever we did would be told on the floor of the House. and abso- lutely no one would know hetero." mm 60‘ you av to that: ~tbht w... Qâ€"Were you ever attempted“ be bought“ before? A.â€"I was not bought then. . - Q.â€"â€"-I askpd, Were you ever 1t- tempted to be bought. before? A.â€" No.~ ' .â€"No doubt about it? A.--No {Hé only {we ocEasion: I kn‘ow no Only 1". Occasions. A gauch- or nu... MYERS 0R CHASE. is on the Q.â€"And you did not sign the let.- ter, and the letter wu not. uked from you for any other purpose ox- cepting as part. of the scheme? A.â€" It. was ask-ed from me otter the pro- test was withdraw so as to thaw that there was no dead on. ‘A an: sou-n w- muon: nut do you any to am? A.-Juat “I". um I. told it to eventful-lug M I... . Q.â€"A young ladâ€"good truininf‘. A.â€"Ho is trnined all right. Q.â€"'l‘hcn as {or as the letters are concerned then wu nothing written in the letters for the purpose of carrying out. your scheme? A.â€"-No. I do not know that there was anyâ€" thing wrong with than. 1 “good than as 3 port 0! the scheme. "Q-You "on um you new chair" your mind,- an m ad monocl- m an only two poem ”â€"8"! 1 wk yow-"Whutonr we at would be Md on tho floor at the “cunt and «Mommy one on. Would know More" nan“: tour or M. mvlo be!“ u amgflh Qâ€"Yo were trying to trap the old man by getting «1 mar to your. with ; histdgnamn? A.â€", Yod- might cull it. that: 1 â€" _-‘. JV' u-vv - v..-â€" Q.â€"'l‘;;t signnivuéivthdt wu put there wu intended to convey to his mind ; forgery? A.â€"You an cull fl. but. Q.â€"Will It. be" rlgbt'll In!) It than A.â€"It‘doe$n't'muke my d1!- fereaco to me. - you befo'e? A. -No. 51:. Q- How old in he? A. -â€"16. Ivuw' v" w w. Q-â€"‘Wili you Wear on your cum um um 1- m . mom! war- "Mutant '0 did" would be told on tho floor 0! than Hon-o. and thin- "II,â€" "IIV It..-“ â€"'-_' Q.-lo that whot you mwtâ€"thot whon you wroto in your own houoo "ohoolutoly no one would know ho- fore." you meant by thot thot Ito- Grogor out! you should know. and {our or the others? A.â€"Woll. I mount that lchrcxor wos the only ono of tho .soociotlon thot ohould know, ond thot I complied with it in 3 general way. Thou my bo othero. Job lot It. Gmoy'o Intlu. Q.â€"You upoko to Mr. Strot‘tOn and wanted your hrogher oppolntod t? 77“ A the Crow: Lends Deperuncnt? A.â€"I believe I did; to be appointed next. spring. ‘ ‘ Q.-â€"Dld you write to him about it? A.â€"I Jun. spoke to fir. Station ubout. lt we", personally; I told him I mlght 13k later on to hgve my brgther appointed. 4â€" CA ‘ugr- Q.-‘-You did it, you and your Ion conlplrod together {or that. purpose? A.â€"Ho didn't know anything nbout Q.â€"Wo will know by and by from gentlemen we can believe just as well u we can you where it wn given and how, and it is important. for me to have no dispute ebout. whet. you are saying now. Yul. ' Q.-=Whon (M on do you mind to an other: bald“ Scan or? A.â€"1 did no‘ can” 39:4}th ‘Il' IIUUI v. vou- "CIâ€"w luuly no one would know before.” You did not mun mm. you wroto than? A.-â€"! mount that, but ! mount that in o noon! icyâ€"not tolling it. aroundâ€"to be cooked to thou who know about it. AL_A W. It. Q.â€"Waa it given on account of the proteSt alone? I want to pin you down to that i! I can, Lâ€"No, air. I won't say it was; it. was part 0! the whole arrangement. will? ’C‘fig’hcenonâ€"mu, he says it Was given as a part. of the whole u- rwgement. Q.â€"Now then then was unother appointment made up there-m. flux-ray? The Chancellorâ€"What. for? Mr. Johnatoxr-Trcasurer of tho criminal justice accounts for tha isl- Q.â€"0n January 13th you write- ”Would you kindly appoint Charles 0. Plate. issuer of murriugo licenm for Gore Bay. as it would seem to be necessary to have another appoint. ment." Is that. the Charla O. Platt that. you confided in? A_.â€"Â¥gu. ‘ ’QI-lfi " ' ‘ ' “r. e Was not nppointed. A.â€"No Questioned as to the truth or falsi- ty 0! his later to Mr. Strayton, in which he said "hell, there is a rag on." and "I doubt very much if I could pass muster,” Mr. Gamey said it. was part of the scheme. Asked if it «on true or false, he’ said: “You can call it what you like." ence to yéy? A.--Yes. Chief Justice Falconbridge here 1:- buked the witness. ggyipg the pain; Q.-â€""A meeting of our Executive {or the riding is called for February 16th to consider the question," 18 that true? A ..-â€"â€"Yes I». was not what Mr. Johhston called *t: it’s what he called it. "We told you that before." addod the Chief Justico. ‘ Q-And “I doubt very much iii 1 can pass muster there; in fact looks as if they will ask’for my re- aignation." I: that true-was it true? A. -â€"It looked like it. A Qâ€" â€"“I doubt very much if I can pass mute? there " Wu thut true? A.â€"â€"No: that was not true. I kne' that I could pass mantel! >A.â€"I don't know anything about .â€"'l‘hey made that without refer- ”10‘1“.me u up» Did he ever up} letter for Mr. Gunny iobukod. dent? A.â€"It we: just to see wnu no would us. Alter dome further questioning: Chlet Justice deonbrldge - I thlnk he has answered thnt pretty well., He didn't we in whnt direc- tion the nnlwcr cnme u long us he got 3 letter from Strntton. Hr. Johnstonâ€"Qâ€"Wu nny other appointment made except the two thnt you hu'e given us here. on your rcootnmenddtion. directly or lndl- rectly? A.â€"â€"'l‘hoee were the only two thnt were mode. He recommended, on Dec. 24. 1902. $8,200 for calculation ronda in Manitoulin. which he regarded I! reasonable end proper at thnt time. A petltlon lot put 0! the grant Wu dnted October, but was not forward- ed by him to the Government until De:. 2-1. He would hue recom- mended ell these road grunts whe- ther he had been bribed or not. “They need nll the money they cnn get." added Mr. Gnmey. On Jan. 31 he sent. . llst of road puts. in- cluding the former. and some new ones. ngmntlng 85.700. He re garded all the items us deserving. The only reply he at from Ir. Lntchlord wu thn the llet wu pretty large, end thnt some of the ltems. should be ellmlnnted. -V“"BV' , _ was no intention there of entrapping anyone. It could have been accur- ed by anyone else in the same way. Another application {or timber land. went through in the regular way. _-:JA â€"N°, SIP, A UN uvv, PVr-v -n..- , had neVer seen beIoro I did not. Qâ€"People that you had not seen until that occasion? A.â€"-I might, have expressed dissatislaction V with Mt. Whitney, but I did not tell them I Was i going to support the Ross Government. UVCI. 'Aluu u- ”uâ€" .â€"-‘--"-â€"__ port. the Goxernment if one weren- tablished. What he had said was. that he was in-foVor of any step for the development of New Ontario. He discussed a customs smelter at Sud- bury with Mr. Conmee in August, and said that. Hr. Whitney did not have the gram 0! the mining queen tion he should have. He never said during his campaign that In wouh. support the Government. I A , Q-l In “Mn. mm '1 strong.» curd m pluyl ‘ on won ta mm" and r 9’":ch and a!" m n ammm Iuppom. a crumm nut to put up u Wu that. the proposition mun. to Stratum on 1 at January. 1008? A.â€" NMI u Gut way. ‘ Tim Chandler-Q tend it to be rend t1 "can! u-- '-°-- -â€" The first man in Toronto. aside iron: the Sumvana. whom he told about this achemo In J. I. light. o! Toronto. tho latter part o! Aug- ust. The first member 01 the House wan Ir. Smytho on Jan. 7. He nev- er tom other member! until he spoke In tho Home. He showed the 81.- 500 to Mr. Cronin, alter its ro- edpt. but did not tell him the fiery. and thought ho did not tell anyone else 0! Toronto except Hr. Might. DW wua wan-q. Ik. Oamey declared that ho ran last May as a straight Conservative candidate, and had never. prior to August 7. when negotiation: open“. atatod that he would aupport the Rose Covcrnuunt. Qâ€"And you will not swear that tou non-r told anybody that you Sn- tendod to give the Roa- Got-«uncut an indenndtnt support; that Whit- ney you had no use tor; that Bosa' pout-y was the right policy. and Whitney did not understand his po- sition; that you never said It before the aevemh of August? A.-â€"â€"Yee, I will swear I never said it prior to tho 7th of August. the items. .hou‘fd be emulated. Ah" 3 11-50! Um... He applied {or and scoured 152 ucrcl for mining in the township 0! XcGregor. nnd paid {or It. There _, A___..l_- 0.»th in the “map". end ‘0 pm, 1‘. min and run an m Ind a! number? And mu .m- On. a that Mm to no what an- :m'r‘ they Would [he an In roam o . â€"â€"l. A ....-_ AI.- He denied that he bud spoken to Mr. G. I-‘.'Maru-r in June .last about giving the Government on independ- ‘ent support. What. had hp- pcnpd Was this. . Hr. Ifu'm had come to him in Junmry, the! the bye-elections in tho three Hertha. and bud said, “.Mr Gurney. you ought. to support the Government." and seemed anxious that he should do no. He admitted saying, in effect, to Mr. Sims at Gore Bay. on Feb. 27. that those who. were kicking about his conduct. knew very well during the campuign that if the Ron: Gov- ernment were returned be weak! huve to support it to get justice for Hua- ‘itoulin. gut-up to Am“ “71!: he "all???“ g No? ‘3’" was a put of the Amment. that was all. '31“ Chancellorâ€"”o “Hand with him. - â€"- u-IA.‘ Q-WAIIIn you an Nolan"; rule their Lordllupl laid do'n? You. It reads that way; _ ~II‘. Johnstonâ€"Q.vâ€"You intend“ am Mr. Smtton should advise your mintuon. and that. you run a a new {or the Rom. indepen- dent? A.â€"It. was just to see whu be Q.-â€".\'o ; mun-r how many swear that you did? A.-â€"I might hove found {dult with Whitney and given some pulse 19 Ross. but I never add I would support. the Ross Gov- ernment before the 7th 0! August. Q.â€"Did you say to people of. the Wolkez- House during lb. Nibition week. men thnt you had never seen In your life belore. volunteer the in- tormouon and give them the in- formution dint you intended to sup- port. the Liberal Government. and that you had no use {or Whitney? A. â€"No, sir. I did not; people that I Kink; wi- mm A.â€" wu him. _A _ . .. . In“. to [uni scrum Spelling III- COMP- [Elâ€"dlmd you ‘0' um that way- 5-" ynu III“ III "‘0 play? Wu M "11‘ y and run II an hr . u“ Government. port. and w 0W- n “r a candidate! on you war. viola! In; We 1m: mar, POST. (hut ’ "And yet you dellroyed it?" "I did so to retnin their con!!- demo." Q.-You deetroyed the evidence b0- ; for. you got. . cent 0! money? $ A.-â€"Ya, it. was ihe only way to re- “ the confidence of the Sullivan. and without them there would hove been no money void, _ W _.-vâ€". '“ beet o! hie regofiecuon the meeting occurred on Tueedey, August. 12. The interview we: very brief. Wine- 1 testified to meny meetings with the “Sullivan. fle saw them nearly ev- ery time he came to Toronto. end the (lee! we; discussed. ' Q.â€"Dur£ng all Uzis period you nev- er resented at 1‘]? 'A.â€"â€"No! The eregor bland deal he testi- fied came up at the latter end 0! August. He would not ewe-er just when the errangemem. that. Frank Sunk-en we: to get half of the pey- ' meat of money. This was pert of ‘ the pure! deal. embracing the tim- ' bet and other transactions. and they f were to go sham on everything. He , AL'_ TIIE AW SESSION. luppn I the count-anon vmh Oaflt. Hull val at Miandalo. Ir. do no!“ brought ouQ. mm appar- auuy roMMMon wan-zen“. In 180 "on“ If. “an"! in MI mu DOM. um am "am. mun-am ro- eoauuondod Mn to rub-m In use Mr (Mn-n oaamlnatkm ha I . m.» um Pam. Huluvau Md not mom- mount an com-u. In «rota-«amm- Nun to r. Johan-ton M am not ro- member WW the Captain recom- mended any «um or not. but am that an lawn! vaa trying to put words taco MI mouth. Tho first talk 0! money In said was on Am". 7. which at m Walker lieu-a. and Frank Sullivan M to got him $5,000 {or chh ha val not asking. Ha am not "puma“ the oflcr. Ra did not (at gun. - _ .n-.._-.a lie ,didn‘t see the man plain enough to distinguish him. He we: looking out of the window as he came in. If he had been naked at the time who the man was. he would have said it was Mr. leyere him- eelt. To the Court he snid he knew Hr. Meyers to use him. He would not any that he ever knew Chose. whom. he stated gt but. had come into the room with the panel. 80 hld mode the statement in defiant place that it was Chose. beau. Frank Sullivan told him it 'u Chose. He thought .11 dong it 'u layers who brought tho name! to At tho utornoon sen-Ion Hr. John- ston took up It. GM'I mu- mt am he met Mr. R. A. Grunt. in Captain Suluvw'l room at tho Walker “on“ to Mucus: the "stock proposition." The witness refund to swear exactly u (9 time. To the “ W___‘l__ Witneu would not. "not positin- 1y when the dun. mate were data-eyed. The-o were destroyed bo- enuno be In: lltw tho: they bod been shown to some member. 9! the Government. nod had Ian-ed theie PW- _ - no 4|,A l___l_l_-A2â€"_ Q.--You didn't photograph or copy the meat? A.â€"I expected to have it longer and to make A Copy o! it. I did not expect to b0 ”1‘“ to destroy it. so soon. drawn up on the twenty-sixth. The went to go share: was reached later." - Gamay "Von: that he had .been convinced um Frank Sumven was ecting {or the Government. and the only meson he had {or thinking thgt. Stmtton was the Minister in chm-go; of it Was whet Capt. Sullivan toldl him. The letter said he Ind gone; to llr. Gibson first end wet the ht- u:- turned Mm over to Stretton. “ Wm It Wm.” I In the Home Gurney sated tint on I August 12. after Grunt left the room, the Went to shun '0‘ made. The witness coraected thinl Intent-at {0-day by declaring that ' ho "wrote it wrong.” The agree- ment and. ant m was to go mm .8 to the timber on mum: Jihad, which .rtenmdn ten; through “You had tho only incriminating «Idem. “dust Frank Sullivan in your pout-salon?" "Qtâ€"You mac-no objection to do- stroying it? A.â€"Xot that I molleCt. Doucuvo I'or Connorvsfln Pmy. Q.>-You were the detective o! the Conservative puty. und yet you do- atroyed the qply efii‘dgnco? A..- He law Frank Sullivan nearly ev- ery day after the destruction 0! the egieemente. The next thing to be done was to get the money from the Government. It was between the 7th md 10th of August that the or- rengement to get the 85,000 theough on alleged timber dent wu arranged. About the end of the month the timber deal was dropped an unpredictable. The coior o! the envelope Ir. Strntton took out of hi. pocket on the 11th of September was white, end it Was about ten inches long. Mr. Stratton said everything was urenged and to go down to the amo‘dng~room. He believed. from shat had taken place, that there wu moury in the envelope. He was not positive that Frank Sulli“an was in the room at the time. but he we: nnar at hand. He was possibly in the corridor or he might here Step- ped into the anteroom. The money, Gama-3} explained. was taken by Mr. Stratton out of his inside brast pocket, and in taking it out, Mr. Stratton said he was sorry to keep witness waiting so long. He was standing up at the time. WK! (hi; point for lunChoon. Mr. Johnston laid he would not take that answer. He would have somexhing positive. "Was Frank Sullivm in the room?" Witness ’re- plied: "1 don’t know; I believe he Wu or in the corridor." could not "war on what any um t was reached. "At “at time you Ind no evidence in writing except. Joneo' letterfl" ,MA_L '.â€"I hadn’t amthing from Cabinet. :iom unyoné um MN the Government. (he circunlunm «or Igor- or Chm? Ban!“ on what day, “1" ”UNA to FRIDAY. APRIL ui. court ndjoumd 3 Hr. Gamay said he «on! up tom Ilr. Stratton on his own accn'zntoa tho 2211:! or 28rd of October. on which coon-ion Mr. lym took him .donmdra to the ground floor In t the west end 0: the building, so u .10 I. any from Stntton's 09a. llr. Myers could “y just what room it was. ! Having got the money. he Id: tho Wilding. tut {or his dinner, '0'. i to Eaton'u. Ind in the cumin; 7.! l to the theatflu The m-xt h«- sum of Funk Sullivan '83 on October 80: .4. Nothing Look plate than M money manor-s: he had wired his and had met him in regard to M: elation petitiOn simply. Around 0C- tohcr 20 he 'as in Toronto two or [than WI. ”Id saw Stratton about the rumors of him going to support _ m Government. He wu in the room alone. except when talking to Mr. Slratton. who came in aging he had 1 mass“! from the Premier that it. W39 better not. to publish anything a't that time. On the 4th,of November he wrou, trying to honor 82.000, us stated 11: the letter, his rintention being to On the 4th,of November he wrote trying to borrow $2,000, as stated in the letter, his intention being u: get whatever evidence against an Govenuncnt he could. He did not know what he would have done 1! the money had been sent. him with notes repeyable after the session. nod-doe Let. "You were willing to take the thirty piece. of silver “borexer you coqu get it?" inquired counsel. c". "The evidence. whether nr or no ." said the W” "A“ were willing to T2 du money and Blmd it 1 inns?" "ch, ”1d wining when necessary." "'11:. Kym cm't all me what room it was. That I: just the dif- ficulty." said Mr. Johngton. Continuing with recur m asking a. loan of $2. testified that it. was ('1 part at the scheme. Q.-You were willing “‘9 a man into a min‘ A.â€"'I'hc' country M11 ‘ no Chancellorâ€"The Outed his position S:*\'( ' Mr..Johnstonâ€"I bur-pen to be- of the country, that is an. Ir. Blakeâ€"A very smail part. Ur. J ohnstonâ€"Xot as big, d course, a my learned {Mr-rd. M: I. mixed Big. At this juncture, Mr. Myers, who occupied . seat in the cornnr o: a. mom. wan asked to stand up“ identification. The wimcbs said he thought, he recognized him as th- man who brought the parcel to m. and Frank Sullixan. W Whom next dlew g pun o! t. entrance '0 the room. and when u was standing at the lime. not Q.â€"And the lieinyz am that you used towards M: you feel justified in haxzn A.â€"Wo m not trying 1: flan just now, we will lol try try “at. You are no‘ jusd'y me at. all. Q.â€"-Did you 108! that you «my... “flat! in that course of hcing, M. tion and tuckery? ILâ€"I 3m huh. my case in the country's hands. Q.-You refuse to answt-r thaw; I gm telling you I “n lea‘fng M to the country to justify or ou- demn; you hu’e nothing to dam it. Q.-You were bet you we” professing to? A.â€"Yeo. Q,â€"0l the villain? A.» Yrs. Qâ€"AM you on pr0ud of 11.? â€"So you say. Q.â€"'Au you proud of 11? don't know. Q.~Au you not proud of it? am not telling you whether I 1 Q -â€"I usk you are your prom A.â€"I rduse to answer. Q.â€"Quite right. A.â€"IL 15 n your bushes whether I am p: it. inn-Tao email in? VI, annual did not. gm roo- done. {Mutton (‘n m I. hh room, “In done 00. N M "0"“ Q-‘But tum-d n! that M “your. ('0 or Hump M Art-mm unv'! ha w. ' mural-hap- two? A- \‘r any nurk at our: strike me Q.â€"Yol were looking for 0\id°m you m mini-Ix the Ivy upon 2, Govcunentâ€"tho dctectnci- A.â€"Y. low-yer o! In. AP'YU. 0,-“dl H. N) u C‘ and o! tho hufldu â€"YOC. It. Johnstonfâ€"Which of gentlemen did you see in flag room? A.-â€"I do nO‘ either oi the men. q-«ao- through a“ t 'h. In Nu‘d .|I\O hut “MI d“‘% In NH: lou In” to? A.v-l( ho ha no Iu‘ .- I know he run Ir. Johnstonâ€"Ls Mr. Chase," 11:. Charles 11 Chase cm W ward, and stood near the "t” box. 11:. ‘Elgin c. mm ““m al'ced to stand uP- .._. m \ flew. Hr. Gm)! further sai. would have acted in acco Mr. Straflon's mph: xf ceived one. As he did 2 he could not flay “11.1 have done. Mr. Johnston appaanfi; laid W foundation for future vudmfi asking Mr. Guney to my on Whether during his intcx-xww of J“ nary 13th with Mr. Sumton (1' men WW0 not prom-m through" Gm said Myers was in and 0“ seven] times. and Dr. Chum” came in once. tor a moment or but unless they were hidden. 3? m ‘praent throughout 11¢ “w. been lune other man? A lay Sullivan told me it Hy recollection is that Kym. The man know whioh brought it in. It. Johngtonâ€"Thcy say 11‘ if you 'lnt to know «ha ! NI cloud the day's 55“ The Chancellorâ€"You whether either of th: brought that parcel in? Q.-u struck 3 Mp. ('0') ‘Nh Frank ! Could Not 30ml!“ 1903 Ir. Myers, ch 0 cornvr of d- to stand up in ritnces said in yltw 1m. e let a. much i A”. Black‘ make, Co“ like to much SIN VEI P. I‘l‘. AL Clo 61D 6”! Sm

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