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i $4 Perhaps there is no part of London in which we should be less disposed to exâ€" pect anything in the shape of a tragedy, than in aristocratic well conducted Park Lane, Yeton the morning of Sunday, the Tth ultimo, a black and fearful crime was perpetrated there. A French lady reading in one of the most stately resiâ€" «<dences in that fashionable thoroughfare, wis murdered by ker cook, who, after apâ€" propriating her victim‘s money and jewels, fled to France. (‘n the following morning the murdered lady‘s daughter returned #otm Paris, where she had been at school. The servants who were in the house could give no saccount as to their mistress, whose mangled,remains were at length discovered by her horror stricken daughter secreted in the pantry . * The Fishery question after all it must be remembered is not entirely a Canadian oune, inasmuch as the Imperial Governâ€" ment havre spent thousands of pounds annually for the protection of the fishâ€" eries, as well as ran the risk of . grave international complications. . We arequire aware tuat this fact in itse‘f would afford no justification for our giving away what of right belongs to us. But no matter how strong and powerful a nation may be, if by an interchange of mutual concessions with a neighbouring power she can proâ€" mote international friendship, duty past, as well as that which she at present follows. Without the use of threat or umijue pressure Great Britain at the pre sent time asks us to agree to a certain concession. In doing so she is actuated not by selfish motives only, but is also ammated by a sincere regard for our welâ€" fwre and prosperity, which, as every man of common sense knows, can best be inâ€" sured by the maintenance of peace and friendly relations with the United States. For people to say, as we notice some of our (Grit contemporaries have done of late, that we are compelled to sacrilice our fisheries for ten years in order to sare the Old Country from the risk of war, is a gross misâ€"statement, which afftords pretty conclusive evidence as to the boasted * loyalty " of those who make it. British statesmen are of opinion that if by allowâ€" ing American fishermen the uso of our fisher.~., receiving at the same time cerâ€" tain concessions ftrom the United States selves a suflicient equivalent, if by doing this we obtain a guarantee for the preâ€" servation of international peace, we CANADA AND THE MOTHER COUNâ€" In forming an opinion as to the proper maxile of dealing with the fishery claims of the Treaty of Washington, :t is only right that we should give some brief consideraâ€" tion to the line of conduct which Great Now as to what Gre .t Britain has done for us in the past Has she been such a neglectful step mother as the Opposition would have us believe? Are there not on the contrary many recollections of the not far remote past which tend to unite us to her, and make our hearts warm at the mention of her name? We have heard a vast amount said about men of the Manchester and An:iâ€"Colonial school. Far too much ado has been made conâ€" cerning their sayings and doings. But when has Great Britain failed us in our hour of need ? If we mention the alacâ€" rity with which British soldiers and sailors that such aninterchange should be made if possible. % may be. quence. Mr. Blake is so entirely the slave of party, and his actions are so little the result of honest conviction, that he does not believe in any man who is not prepared to rote against the Government measures, no matter what their nature reply to the Hon. Mr. McDougall yester day, gave a striking proof of that allâ€" controlling spirit of partizanship which inspitres his every action. He rebuked Mr. Mackenzie, because, after haring votred against the Coveropment on certain quesâ€" tions, he had thought proper of late, like most sensible men, to support them, and be called him "inconsistent‘" in conseâ€" came to our aid in 1866 when Canada was invaded by the Fenians, welshall, no doubt, be met by the assertion that that was an Imperial quarrel, and that Great Britain was in honour bound to betriend us. To this, however, we might answer, Lieutenant Governorship of Manitoba, but his appointment has been cancelled. Lieut. Governor Archibald for the present remains at the head of affairs I "to how many more such fillibustering expeditions, organized upon a far more exteasive scale, should we not be exposed were it not for our connection with Great Britain ?" Without considering what then occurred, however, let us bear in mind that it is to the nrotection of CGraat Auctipn Saleâ€"A Rowe. Universal Exhibition. Ice, Iceâ€"Thomas Starmer. s Temperley‘s Line of Steamshipsâ€"David Brick makers and Laborersâ€"Mr: Crosby. Can be had at the Office of the TMEY PRINTING AND PUBLISHING uk COMPANY. selly «l numq‘m in Remeatrecmene m ies Sg&)fit& session of 1874 (bound) can also J\-u-de-r-hrfll".“'". petâ€" .....'..3..." emeyne April 18, 1972 _ TO PRINYERS. SBRSSIONS OF 1870 AND 1871 Dominion Rarliament ‘vil and religious liberty which we now enjoy. We are aware that it has of late Upe O©ttaboa Cimes. NEW ADVERTISEMENTS. FULL REPORTS of the proceedings in the MRLMTAY MMT , was appointed temporarily to the FRIDAY, MAY 3, 1872 Kz =*s 1 }¢} +454 ‘\“"-" ".:'. "y .-‘, .h sprung from a neglect: of: these rules in the United States, and how ‘much . the dignity and good name of a great and powerful nation may be made to suffer by the recklessness or unrestained temper of one man. In Canada we have been in the habit of boasting that our legislative debates h.ya been free from those scenes of misrule ind disorder which have too trequently occurred in the United States House of Representatives, and we have been fully justified in doing so. Grateful forthe axistence of this bet ter order of things, it should be the duty not only of Parliament but of the Press and people, to frownjdown anything which occurs in our legislative assemblies saâ€" vouring at all of that coarse and undigniâ€" tone and reputation of the American House of Representatives..>= We notice that on Wednesday last the honourable member for Northumberlaad (N.B ) while induiging in his favourite pursuit of villiâ€" fying the Minister of Marine and F.sheries, not only made statements which were contrary to the fact, but made use ‘of language which was altogether * unpar liamentary." We hare no obisction, nor do we suppose the hon. Mr. Mitchell has any objection, to Mr. Hutchwson abusing him to his heart‘s content, inasmuch as to do so appears to be the principal object offthat gentlieman‘s political career. We trust, however, that he will in future conâ€" fine himself to the use of language which is admissable on the floor of Parliagrent, He will thus not only avoid bringing our legislature into dizrepute, but will himâ€" self be spared the humiliation of being Toroxto, May 2. At a M.:h School Trustees last night, Mr. Wi was appointed Tru» ant Offcer. His business will be to search up children of : school age, and |compel their attendance. g The eruption of Mount Vesuvius has almost terminated. : A variety of contradictory rumours con« nected with the German arbitration are afloat, but none of them are deemed reliable. The opinion prevails that all existing international diferences will be amicab!y settled. * compelled to retract what he has said. Lord Dufterin sails for New York on the 1ith of next month. He will remain in that city about a month before coming to Canada. A méeting of the Saddlers‘ Association was held yesterday afterhoon, at which rules were made for the closer binding together of the union. The Carlist rebellion in Spain is not yet at an end. A skirmish took place yesâ€" terday without any definite result. Mar. shal Serrano has telegraphed to Madrid asking for reinforcements. ® J. Listerk Reid, and a party of saurvey» ors, left yesterday for Manitoba. A special mecting of the Toronto Trades Assembly is to. take place this evening, aud it 1s expected that important business will be transacted with respect to the pro, posed general strike. _ â€" _ * _ The majority of the Master Carpenters acceded to the demand os‘ their men for an increase of 25 cents a day i yesterday. ‘Iwo or thres lbo'ps resist, ::3 the men are locked out. An arrangement has been made . by the Caledonian Nociety, by which Donald Deâ€" nine and James Fieming will come out to this country to comnete at the approachâ€" ing athletic game=. a In a new country tike Canada, where from the very nature of surrounding cirâ€" cumstances persons are far more lisble to mistake abuse for argument than in older communities, it is in the highest degree important that all the rules which govern pariiamentary debates in. Great Britain should be strictly enforced. On many occasions we have had opportunities . of seeing what disgraceful results have cerned, we could not be more free were wean independent power. In carrying out the great measure of Confederation no pressure was brought to bear by the Imperial authorities, but, on the contrary, s the Premier of Newfoundland said only the other day, they " acted not only justly, but generou«<ly," leaving each Proâ€" vince to the exercise of its ;: free will and discretion. Even in this matter of the Treaty of Washington, Great Britiin does not dJemand any concession from us, but appe.ls to our generosity and our loyalty to the Empire. Shall we oppose the wishes of the Imperial Gov*nmt or accede to them. We are free to choose. In our opinion good feeling, as well as moâ€" tives of policy, compels us to adopt the About twenty schooners and small craft are in the harbour, which :s in complete order for the reception of the spring shipâ€" R MoxtkEAL, May 2. . The Richeliou Company‘s steamer " Berthier" left toâ€"day with a number of passengers ; also steamer " Chambly." culty. But to suppose that it we had been left to ourselves through all the years when as struggling colonists we have won our farms from the forest and been battling with the many obstacles which lay in our path we should have succeeded as we have done, is sheer nonsense. The expense of an independent national exist enee we could not have supported, and our only course would havre been to have giren up the form of Government which we preferred, and have become citizons of a Republic in whose future stability a majority of us have little faith and for whose political institutions we bhave little love or admiration. â€" Not only should we feel grateful to Great Britain forthe protection she has afforded us, but also for the absolute freeâ€" dom we have for many years enjoyed in the management of our local affairs. So far as the government of Canada is conâ€" o dnther natey tnd song, John Cassidy, newsboy, was killed yes terday in jumping from a train while it become a farorite practice with a certain class of people in this country to < hurl defiance in the teeth of the American mfien,mdtomthufourmilliomof Canadians can hold their own against the world. No one can have a higher respect for the bravery and determination of the people of Canada than we have. They have been tried and never found wanting on many an occasion of danger ;and diffiâ€" Prince Frederick William is dead. The majority for the millionâ€"dellar: by» Trade very brisk. PARLILAMENTARY LANXGUAGE. TELEGRAPHIC NOTEs MUNLREA L TORUNTO lic departments of the Government or otlices of the Legislatures of any of the Frovinces.‘‘ In thmnl‘m established for guidance in all cases under the law, the of the Department ot Marine and }, as well as inspectors of lighthouses, Were specially mentioned The Treasury Board, he regretted to say, did not come to altogether the same couâ€" clusion he hadâ€"they doubted whether such an officer should be ranked as having had twenty years‘ service; of the four when his health began to tail, for he was afflicted with two serious .comâ€" plaints, ~either of which made it actually misery for him to ,nvel to remote places, at all times and in‘all manner of ways. _ Mr. Harley wished to resigh, although his means of livelihood were at stake ; but, Mr. Mitchell persuadei him to remain for some time longer, with the m that his health would improve» He ’ it for six months, but instead of beâ€" coming â€"better, he got worse, even with all the care he exercised. Again he reluctâ€" antly tendered his resignationâ€"here Mr. Mitchell read the letter of resignation. Mr. Harley held the ‘office, at his personal solicitation, for some eight or nine months longer, but when the spring came he found he was incapacitated from discharg ing his dutiesâ€"he was then 75 years of ageâ€"and the result was that the Departâ€" ment unwillingly consented to lose the services offlan able public officer. He then looked into the question, and came to the conclusion that Mr. Harley, had been over 19 years in the public employment, and was entitled to superannustion on a 20 yearsa‘ service. He represented the fact to the Council in a report which he read to the House. â€" He read the Act to as applyâ€" ing not only to the inside, but the outside services, and believed Mr. Harley was en titled to twentyâ€"fiftieths of his salary which was at that time $1,200. The matter was referred, in accordance with the usual W the Treasury Board, where tor the first time, the question was raised whether persons who had been in the public service for 30 or 40 years, receiving only commission or fees, and subsequently received a regular salary, were entitled to superannuation on the whole period, or merely _ for that term when they _ were _ salaried. Mr. Mitâ€" chell read from thoson'ponnnmuon Act in support of his view of the case, contendâ€" ing in :fifllfl, that under the 9th secâ€" tion Mr. Hariey was clearly entitled to come in ; also from the regulations made subsequently in elucidation of that law. The 9th section specially referred to per sons employed " in the outside service of the said departments," and " to service is an established capacity in any of the pubâ€" years since 1867 of course there was no doubt whatever. ‘They agreed, finally, to give him ten years‘ service, and he was accordingly placed on the superannuation ust at the small pittance of some $216 a year. Yei he (Mr. Mitchell) had been acâ€" cused before the country of having placed a man on the Superannuation Fuud when he bhad no claim to such consideration. If a man in the position of Mr. Hanley bhad no right to receive a retiring allowâ€" ance, then there was no use whutever in the Superanpusation Act. As respects his successor, it was true he Ju a relative of his own, but he was khown to be a man of respectability and influence, s1d was able to teach that gen tleman who had so unwarrantedly made the accusation in question He would not descena to the scurrility which had accomparied the charge, but he would say that the house with which that gentleman was connected had had the supplying of the light houses for 20 years and raceived just such prices as they wished ; ar»d it was therefore not difficult to understand why he felt agâ€" grieved that the means of continuing the same state of things were nolonger availâ€" able for him. Before sitting down, he (Mr. M.) asked permission to refer to anâ€" uther matter which was also to be brought Hon. )fi.‘nlwusu replied that he was glad that the opportunity had been afforded him ot giving an explanation reâ€" specting a matter which has been brought up elsewhere, with the object of reflectâ€" ing on hs conduct as a public man Bmefly stated the charge was that he had p an officer, of seventy vears of age, mhf;u\lic position during 1867, and had superannuated him laist year in order to appoint his brother to the siame oifice Aow, he would inform the House that prior to Confederation the practice of conâ€" ducting the Lightâ€"house service diffared in the seversal Provinces, ln Nova Scotin there was an Inspector ; in Canada, it was conducted under direction of Trinity House ; in New Brunswick, by Boards of Commissioners, one for the North Shore, and the other for the Southern or Bay of Fundy side. Those two Boards were comâ€" posed generally of men who looked after the lights, _ and charged 10 per cent. commission on supplies furnished In 1851 Mr. John Harley was on the Comâ€" missionâ€"here the hon. gentleman rcad from the New _ Brunswick Gazeffe Up to 1867 he held that position. At the time of his appointment he was a gentleâ€" man of larfio experience as a shipbuilder, afid was held in great esteem wherever he was known. ESubsequently, however, by the force of cirecaumstances he was reduced to poverty, and remained so at the time of Contederation, when the light house serâ€" vice was placed under charge of the Deâ€" ‘purtment of Marine and Fisheries. He (Mr. M) after due deliberation c:me to the conclusion that the system in qperation in Nova Scotia was the: best to adoptâ€"of having a paid inspector to inspect the light houses, make the necessary report of the supplies, and: assume a responsibility to the Government. ‘ He selected Mr. H irley out of the three Commissioners as the best man to fill the |position, on the ground that he had always been the chief executive officer, and was in every way highly qualtied for the o:tice. During his lifo time Mr. Harley had opposed the party with which he (Mr. Mitchell) had always been »ssociated, and â€" supported thâ€"t with which Mr, Hutchison was conâ€" nected. He was a man of energy and exâ€" ercised much influence in the district where he lived. But he (Mr. M.) telt that he would be Nla’h his duty to the public®were he »tho ‘b.into ;)n:'i::ntion anything except ility *A tleman to duolt,nrp the trust eonflded‘ww him. When the appcintment was oftered to him, Mr.â€" Harley conl'ered that bis living would depend on it for he was no loutc in., affluent circumstanceés. Mr; Harley received the appointment and continued to discharge it up to 1870, up elsewhere, and in connection with 'fiifi the hon member for Grandviile (Mr. Letellier) had fihxd a notice on the table that day :If sharges were true, then he was unfit to occupy ‘hig presant posiâ€" Hon “:r LETELLIER pe ST. ;Vx:"l‘ deâ€" preca any explanations at time, as not in the interest of the hon, gentia man, it was advisable to defer them until the motion came up in due form. Hon. Mr. MITCIHELL woulid not go into the question, alter the hon, gentle« man had so kindly expressed a wish to deâ€" fer the discussion. He would simply say that there was not a shadow of truth in the charges made against him. He could satisfy the House and country that those charges a&buohu and malicious ; and it the hon. member elsewhere dared to asâ€" sert them again he woula be ready to meet them. Hon. Mr. LETEELLIER DE ST, JUST asked an explanation from the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, respecting the superannuation of Mr. Harley, Lightâ€" house Iospector, New Brunswick. Hon. Mr. SANBORN asked that the order of the day, consideration of the seâ€" cond report ol Printing Committee be discharged, as it only referred to a matter of arrangement between the Committee and theirClerk. 2 BDominion Parliament. The SPEAKELR took the chair at three @‘clock. PIPT H SERSSION: FIRST PARL!AMENT THE SENATE. THE OTTAWA r:imMtEs EXPLANATION Tuvrsoay, May 2nd, 18923. PRINTING Mr. MACDUNALL, (Lunenberg)â€"Wheâ€" ther it is the intention of the Government to establish a port of entry at or near the mouth of La Havre River, in the County of Lunenberg ? . Hon. Mr. TILLEYâ€"Not now. Mr. MACDUNALD, (Lunenburg)â€"W heâ€" ther it is the intention of the Government to take meuuru?for the appointment of a harbor master for the port of Halifax ; also for the appointment of a shipning officer for the same port ? _ s Hon. DPr. TUPPERâ€"Government inâ€" tended to submit bills to the House with a view to such :fl)olntmonu, s Hon. Mr. SMITH, (Westmorelandy,â€" Hon. Sir GEQ. E CARUER suggested that it might be better.not to press these questions at present, becaus» they proâ€" bavly would come up again in the discus. sion on the Treaty of Washington. _ _ Mr LANGLOISâ€"Whether it 1s the inâ€" tention of the Government to cayse a surâ€" vey to be made of the channel . of the st. Lawrence, which flows on the north side o! the Island of Orleans, with a view to improve the na«vigation of he said channel and render it safer, the said chanunel veing obstructed by dangerous reefs and shoals ? Hon. Mr. SMITH, (Westmoreland),â€" Whether â€" any arrangement has been made between the Government of Her Britannic Majesty and the Government of the Dominion as to the disposition of the amount of compensationâ€" to be awarded under the 22hd Article of the Treaty of Washington. â€" : â€"__._â€" § > Kon. Mr. SMITH, (Westmoreland)â€" Whether it is intended that the Commisâ€" gioners appointed under Articles 2% and 21 of the Treaty of Washington, in deterâ€" mining the question of the «mount of comâ€" Emtjon to be paid, shall he contined to e term of years mentioned in Article 33 of said Treaty ?> |~â€"â€"â€" _ Hon. Mr. LANGEVIN : Any necessary examin tion will be made by the Governâ€" ment to ascertain what it may be expeâ€" Hon. Mr. LaNGEVIN hoped thit his honorable friend would not insist upon an answer to his question now, ~ Ts % Mr. RY AN, |Montreal West,â€"Whether it is the intention of the Government to cuonstruct any basins on the Lachine Caâ€" nal this year between the Wellington Bridge and the 8St. Gabriel Lock, to acâ€" commodate the increased and growing trade of the country ? _ We s *Air. LANGLOISâ€"Whether it is the inâ€" tention of the Government to cause a lighthouse to ve buili at the end of the whart at St. Jean lsland of Orleans, it being the unanimous opinion of mariners that if this lig.:t had been in existence the Strathardle would not have been thrown upon the St. Valier shoals last autumn, and another vessel would nt have been wrecked on the same spot three or four years ago? â€" â€" Mr. FERGUSON, after some discussion had taken place with regard to the number ot copies, thought that six copies wouli be scarcely suilicient. lHe thought howâ€" ever, that everything wis to be done by the press of the country. It was for the press to dis eminate the nevcessary inforâ€" mation. * Hon. Dr. TUFPPER: The attention of the Government has on}ly recently been called to this matter, and it was now under con:â€"ideration. Hon. Mr. MACKENZIE said that this House could not instruct a Joint Comâ€" mittee of both Houses, and he would suggest that the ma«tter should be reterred to ihe Joint Committee or .Printing. Mr. CARTWRIGH L called attention to the fact that there was unnecess wry delay in getting the Printing of the itiouse dune. He thought the proper authorities ought to see to this. + Hon. Mr. BLANCHETâ€"Whether it is the intention of the Government, by sae or. otherwise, to dispose of any of the Ordnance properties/at Levis, and in what way the Government intend to deal with the sail properties ?. _ . . â€" _ _ Hon. Sir GEORGE E. CARTIER: Not at present, ‘These properties had only recently been transferred to the Dominion, and it was not the intention to dispose of them. Nothing more could be done by the Dominion Government thag was done by the Imperia| Government. LLEUT.GOVERNOROF MANITOA. _ Hon, Mr. HOLTOX moved the following resolution : § L Mr, HAARISON submitted a motion re ative to Cr min«] &# atistics. s Hoa. Sir GEORGE E. CAKTIER said that the more information there shoulu be before the public concerning the Treaty of Washington the better the House would understand the matter. 1t was the most important matter to be considered during the session. Hon. Mr. MACDOUGALL thought that double the usual edifion ought to be printed of such an importan. document, as that relating to the Treaty of, Washingâ€" ton. * Mr. CUKRRIERK amended his motion to meet Hon. Mr. M\ckenzie‘s suggestions. That lhbue-olvod. that in the opinion of this Hoyse the a&)olntmon& f F. @. Johnson, Esq., to the % Leutenant Governor of the Proâ€" vince of toba, ¢> which office an annual saâ€" lary of $7,000 is assigned by law, while he c mtiâ€" nues to hold his Commission as a Judge of the Superior Court of Lower Canada, umdler which he is entitled to receive a salary of b,mo por l.nnun‘:} is not ouly inconsistent vm; I;l:wl :bu-e spiritâ€" C our lp‘lm res 1 t ependonco E Judges, Pfl!“)fimruww of the words Judges, but is in piain contrayeution of the words of the Sth Section of the 78th Uhapter of the Cop« solidated ls(::um for IAl),‘.‘ler Cm.wh,d m:'henb‘“ y it is enafted that " no sue e‘ ( rior Court of Lower Csnadu] &4 ‘:fi‘fiu sit in the E;‘cn- Te Legisiniive Assombly of hoi aoy uther nindg the ative mbly or auy of : rofit under the Crown solong as he m sach Judge." He sail the principle of maintamming the independence of the MUudjciary, the independence of the Crown on the one hand and of popular influence on the Mr. CARTER said it was virtually an Insolvency Bill, and although he did not recollect the chapter, ‘was in accordance with an English Act passed in the reign of Williim IV. > Mr. BRQUSSEAU explained that the priniing had been somewhat delayed, but that the documents alluded to would be submitted to the House to«morrow. Mr. CURRIER compl«ined supply of some pamphlets some facts ‘concerning the Washingtom . â€" > .. f Hon. Mr. DORION thought that previous to the discussion on thse ‘Treaty every possible information should be furnished to the House. + Hon. Mr. POPE submitted first refort of Colonization Emigration Committee, recommending that the quorum of said Comumittee be reduced to nine members. _ Mr. MHARRKILSUN introduced a. Bill for the more speedy apprehension of fugitive criminals . Hon. Mr. MACKENZLIE did not underâ€" stand the matter. 1t seemed to him to come within Provincial jurisdiction,. _ _ Hon. Mr. HOLTON thought the matter was outside of the jurisdiction of this House. ‘ Hop,. Sir GEO. E. CARTIER feared that the member for Chauteauguay was someâ€" what at fault. He . should not quarrel merely with the title of a Bill,. _ Mr. CARTER moved for leave to inâ€" troduce @ Bill to abolish assignments in favor of preferential eruditors. s Hon. Sir GEQ. E. CARTIER moved to introduce an Act to amend the Act rela; tive to the Stitutes of Canada, from the *mwo R Hon. Mr., CHAUViEAU moved for a Bill to amend the Act to detach the parish of St. Felix from the County of Portneu:. The SPEAKER took the chair at 3 p.m. Hon. Mr. CHAUVEAU presented a peti tion from Quebec Boird of Trade, nsking that logs might vbe permitted to float down the ttawa witnout being rafted, TRANSLATION®S. Hon. Mr. BUREAU offered a few ex planations in reference to the mode in which the translators of the House perâ€" formed their duty, ou account ot an ailu® sion having been made cn the pre v.ous day ty some delay in the translation of th« bill concerning public lands. The fault did not lie w.th theim, the alterations made fromtime to time in the biil had d 1: yad tha tranâ€"<lation.. The translators pertormed their duties most satisfactorily in the opinion of the Fiench members. The work had never been more efficiently performed than it was at present. | The House. then adjourned HOUSE OF COMMONs Tuvasoay; 2ad May, 1872 of a short concerning Treaty â€" ot on. Sir GERGE EK. CARTIER said there was no doubt that, the question raised by the motion was a very grave one, and it must be ::on‘ohod as such ~The sime question arisen andâ€" been conâ€" sidered by the Government when they made the appointment. ‘The objection contained in the motion was .«.s to Judge Jobnson, while continuing â€"to be a Judge of Lower Canwis, ind receiving a salary ag such J udP’ being appointed as Lieut â€" Governor of Manitobas, with & salary in iespect of such ofiice. He might say, however, that there was no statute fixing a saliry to the oftice of Lieut. Guvernor of Manitoba, which was provided for by Urder in Council. ‘The House had alrerdy been informed by the lexder of the Goâ€" vernment that the «ppouintment of Judge J hnson was merely temporary, and he might now eay that Judge J _hnson did not expect to rece ive, neither did Government iutend to pay him, a s«lary on the scale paid to Governor Archibald ; indeed, no saliry was to be paid at all to Judge Johnâ€" son as Lieut,.â€"Governor. He would now come to the question of legality,. . Judge Johnson being a Judge otf the Superior Court of Lower Canada, was under leave of absence, and his position was hlled by an sssistant, wuo performed all his duties. Lhe leader of the Government had already explained on a former occasion that the Act of Confederntion enly allowed the appointment of an administrator of a Province in case of iliness or absence of the Lieut â€"Governor, but not in a case of a resignat.on. â€" He referred to the cases of Prince Edward Island and British Coâ€" lumbisa, where, in case of uoanol. the cmer‘?muo. was allowed to acé as Lieut.â€" (Governor, and to Upper und Lower Canada, wlhere, under the former regime, the Com:â€" mander of the Fo:ces was empowered to act. Before he resumed his seat he woulu state the decision at which the Governâ€" ment had arrived ; but as the member for Uhateauguay had appealed to the Statutes and questioned the legality «f the apâ€" fioinunens, he would first deal with that e then referred to the Act of 1849, and maintained that its provisions only applied to Lower Canada, and could not affect a pointments outside that Province, lfo would not have taken this argument had he not been provoked to do so. He mainâ€" tained that the offices alluded to were offices in Lower Canada, and that if that Act were the only one on the Independâ€" ence of Parliament as far as Judges were concerned, they could not be preâ€" vented _ from occupying seats in the House of Commons for conâ€" stituenciesâ€"outside of Lower: Canada. the hon. member was wrong in stating that the Act of 1®57 formed the only exâ€" ception to that of 18§43. He mentioned the Act of 1854, 16 Vic., c. 13, rovuing for the appointment of assis:ant judges in oases of unavoiduble absence ol judges and where the service of the judges had been othertise required,. which was amended in 1861 when the words «* leave of absenap" were ad.ied as one of the reg sons empowering the appointment of issistant judges. â€" He therefore maintainâ€" eithat the appointment was in all resâ€" pects kfit&nd valid, but concluded by stating as an hon. member ‘of the House hadobjected to it, though it was merely temporary, the Government had coure to the conclusion to cancel the apâ€" pointment. * ~ _ ‘â€" 3: 3Â¥ P _ Hon. Mr. DORION maintained that Juige Johnson from the moment of his acting on his commussion, was entitled to the sa.tsry attiched to the office and pointâ€" ed out that in the estimates for the e sent year the amount to be pcidu,fi of the Lieutenant Governor was included under the head QLGX‘E:,I_Ifiwn authorized by Statute, whereas Minister of Miliâ€" tia had heid'that there was no Statute on the subject. He also maintained that tie terms O0f the Act of 1849 were not conâ€" tined to Lower Canada, and that its proâ€" visions were viol:ted by the appointment of a Judge to any other office, no mutter in what Province, The Government had ‘no rigkt to tamper with the independence of Judges, by granting leaveâ€"of absence with the express object of giy:? vhem vuther offices. He should not however protract the debate, and was glad that (Government had ad4mitted their error and consented to cancel the appointment. Mr, Johnson had beenappointed for two years past as Recorder of Manitoba, for which be receiyeg a gaiary, jand at the same time received a salary as Jydge, and at the same time another: Judge was per. forming his duties, so that two salartes were paid, one to Judge Ramsay, and one to Judge Johnsqn. _| _ _ _ _ + ed Lieutenant Governor of Mapitoba, he was not & salaried otticer. He hcld how ever that the terms of the B. N, A. Act. 1867, distinctliy provided that there should be a Lieyt. (Governor, and that he should be paid by (Government, : and therefore the hon. gentleman in endeaâ€" voring to escape from one violation, had admitted that he had broken the fundaâ€" ment.l law of the Constitution. Further Hon. Mr. BLAKE would not haye conâ€" tinued the discussion after the statement that the appâ€"intment would be cancelled did he not o:l;nd:fi that ot'ho statemonts e inyolred questions sorjous moquxiloo lp'lhe country. % did. not mean the argumâ€"nts of the Minister of Militia, for he scarcely considered them to be Arguu.efiu. He hid however stated that thouzh Judge Johnson was appointâ€" other.thad been so tully established as part of the policy of the British Empite, and all piris of it in which representative in~ s itutions existed, for so long a that it would be a work of -npor%:fix%n 1o enter into any arguinent on the subject The question was simply thisâ€"did the ap poin:ment to the office of Lieutenan: @»weruor of Manitoba conflict with the general spirit of our legislation, and was it at variance with the law: He tbou{ht that a very little consideraâ€" tion would show that at all events it was at variâ€"nce with the general spirit of the law. The facts of the case were these :â€" mir. Jonuson het teen absent trom his judicial duties for a period of nearly two years, colourably on leave of absence. He was not sutfering from illâ€"health ; he was not an old man ; he was in the full vigour of manhbuod, and had only held his office for a ftew years, when leave 6f absâ€"nce was given to him in order thit he might be sent on special â€"e:vice to Manitoba. That was cert.inly an attack on the independâ€" ence of the Juiiciary, especially when coupled with the fact that he continued to reccive during his absence his salary as jJudge ; and at the same time compensaâ€" on for his services at Manitoba . Quite irtespective of his appointment to the office of Lieutenant Governor, the spirit, it not the very leiter of the law was vioâ€" lated. . The salary of the office of Lieut. (Governor was tixed by Statute at $7,000 a year, and therefore when Mr. Johnson was gaze ted to that office he was so far as the publ:ic could ascertain in the enjoyâ€" meat of thit salary, while as Judge he re ceived $3,600.. The Act which he had cited in his resolution was passed in 1849, and the only exception he found to its operation was, tho Act passed some eight years later, providing for the codification of the laws of Lower Canada. Under that Statute Judges might be appuinted to codify the laws ; but there wa«s no other exoei)uon. It was never contempluted by the law that temporary judges should be appointed during pleasure, _ Hehad not brought forward the motion with any desire to attack the Government, and he did not therefore propose dwelling longer up nit, The Government had undoubt. edly been led into error, and he hopod' now that the error was pointed out they would take steps to remedy it. Good Governments, better Governments than tui , had fallen into error, for instance, tne Government of Mr. Gladstone which he regarded as infiniiely superior to the wovernment of this country, bad unâ€" doubtedly fallâ€"n in a grave error in the appointment of Mr. Collier to the judicial Committee of the Privy Council, but there was ithis important distinction between the two cases, that Mr. Gladstonée cerâ€" t inly kept within the letter of the law, while the hon. gentlemen opposite had vivlated both the letter and the spirit. He ventured to hope th«t the Government would set themselves right before the House and the country, but in any case ne would have the satisfaction of knowing that he had sought to vindicate one of the great safeguards of freedomâ€"the .ndependence of the Judiciary. 18 1 2. Mr. HARRISUN (Toronto) thought the member for Chautéauguay was entitled to the thanks of the House for having made the motion, and he also congratulated Government tnat they had ‘had the usual courage to admit their error and cancel the appointment, and he thought a man who made a mistake but who had courage to admit and rectify it, ou{nt to be enâ€" couraged, and not brave abuse thrown at him, and taunted for | having done what was right. There could only be one object in prolonging the debate, namely, to sustain the principle of the independence of the bench. ~If they had Censtitution.l liberty, that liberty was secured by checks, and lines drawn between the executive, the legislative and the (judicial. Our constitutional, liberty had arisen by the growth of the checks, by the eftorts of the Legislatur: to reduce within rei.onable limits, the power of the Executive, end that constitutional liberty was in writing. Who was to decide these iquestions? 1t was the judici«l power, and if there ever was a necessity in the history of the counâ€" ty, to maint«in invect that judicial power, it was now. â€"It had been ntumpknro so be argued that if a Judge had leave of abâ€" sence, he might do «nything, but he wis still a Jadge, aud exâ€"ept under pressing circumst«nees, if at all, there should be no interferrence with the Judges The Statute of Quebec that had been brought into question was a mere declar«tion of & constitutionsl _ principle | that «udges sho«uld be independent, and should in fl way be employed in other positions profit. There could be no question that the position of Lieut. Governor of Mani tobs was a place of profit, and this being so, it was a matter of small consequence whether the salary was w by Act of Par mment or o i He trusted that Government ‘influenced by the discussion that had taken place would not in future do as they had in this c.se but would not even appoint Juui!dgu to temporary emplyment but wo leave them on the bench as the guardians of the constitution and the interpreters of the funda nental law. \ Hon. Mr. Mog:;UGALL-id he underâ€" stood the complaint to be. exclusively diâ€" ted|to the vidolation of a stitute of wer Canaia, and in respect to the fit of Judge Johnson to till‘ the position e believed there could be no objection. s to the error which the Government ight have committed u!:: :: no':um underâ€" e to pronounce, as e ad admitted it He .believed there on a in adaraine whitgs t to t was p':i. had been rectified. He referred the spgointme‘m of Mr, Blake to the of President of the Council in Unâ€" E; and said that the hon. gentlemen had taken a very different course from t of the Government in this case for he mrfir-t commitied the breach of the con stitution and then introduced a Bill to garâ€"czion it (cheers), . ____ _ | _ Hon. Sir GEO. °K. CARTIER said the Government maintained that their action had been larl. | It being 6 o‘clock the House rose. ***! |"~ AERTER RBCESS, â€"â€" °â€" Mr. CO)LBY rose to move the House in Committee on the Bill to repeal the In. solvency Laws. | | Hon. Mr. BLAKE said he did not intu;: en‘er info auy argument as to what fm done elsewherp, byt if the hon.â€" genâ€" tieman would meet him there he would gdiscuss }; with him, but he thou‘h: it oxâ€" ingly im (laughter) to discuss Emingul wg::ipt::iom in ‘that House. be fact the hon. gentleman wanted to support his friends opposite and made his arguments to suit the circumstapoes. A little time ago the ho». gentlemen was with the Governmentâ€"then again he was opposed to themâ€"and now be was with &Eem again, he wished him and them joy of it. \Hon. Mr. MACDOUGALT said he should insist on the right in all discussions on constitutional matters to deal with al. ts of the const:tution.. As to the chalâ€" r:;go about entering the Ontario H use he would have very little difficulty in Going that, for on a recent occssion f.i... ' members of that Hoyse offered to resign their seats and give him the opportunity. As to his position with the Government, he stood there as an independent memâ€" ger, to approve or disapprove, and when e was guilty of the inconsistency and indecency of ‘oix;fi‘thm‘h the country for years, denouncing all public men who disagreed with bim on the principle of Mr. MILLS referred to the co«litions of 1854 and 1867, and said the member for Lanark seemed to have forgotien the mm he then occupied. _ Hes main red that thke xsboc Act of 18d9 was not limited to loc«lity, but to the Jydges personally. Hon. Mr. HOLTON asked whether the motion was to be declared carried. E:f.n.ion Governments (cheers), and iolati g those principles on the very first opportunity (sheers)â€"when he had done u‘;.:, he might be taunted with inconsis tency (loyd cheers.) . ; â€" _ Hon. Mr. HOLTON said, that: haring attained his object. he had no desire to press the matter, but a difficulty arose in comsequence of the line adopted by the Minister of Militia who mauntained the couse taken by Government. Hon. Mr. HOWE said that vlunu‘ala a previous occasion the member for Halifax introduce l, in the discussion on the Renate, illustrations of violations of the constitution in another Houre, hon. genâ€" tlemen opposite enjoyed it very much ; but now; when illustrations were taken from the Ontar.o matters, they objected altogether. It would appear that what was sauce for the go. se was not sauce for the gander (L:ughter) |___| _ _ _ _ nen. accepting temporary appointment« i +xprcted more as a rule, and in fact the etimaies included an extra cha~ge of the Lioutenant Governor of Manitoba of £1000 The Minister of Militia had staied that the appointment was only temporary, but he (Mr. Bluake) maintamed thit the Law ‘ provided that Lieuten nt Governors of Provinces should hold oftice, duriog plea sure certainly, but they could not be reâ€" moved within the term of 5 years without cause assigned. This was a law of the utinost consequence in orde to give Lieutenant Governors a proper amount of independence~ Yet the hon. gentleman assumed to himself to make a temporary appointment. There was, however, now a good cause for cancelling the »ppoint« ment, forit ought never to have been made. He held that the atiempt to make a temporary «ppointmunt to the office of Lieutenant Guovernor was also a violation of the Law. He held »lso that the Conâ€" federstion Act provided | that Judges shouli hold office during good behaviour, and if it were properly construed there would be no power to take away a Judge from his oitice and bribe hhimâ€"be did â€" now apply the term to this particular case, but to a possible caseâ€"by a (high office otf large emolument, to absent himself from the sphere of his judicial duties, and thus to c eate a vacuncy filled by an Assist:nt Judge, having all the powers of a Judge, and bolding offise during pleasure. It was entirely out of tne question to justify the course taken in making Mr. Johnson Reâ€" corder, and then Lieutenant Governor. He did not desire to protract the discusâ€" sion, but if the hon. gentlemen‘s use of the Act was legitimate, it was not consistâ€" ent with the Act of Confederation, for it practically gave power to cause the whole administration of Justice in Lower Canada . to be performed by Judges holding office during pleasure instead of goâ€"d behariour. The practice must be fudpd by the result which it made possible. He. considered the Act of the Minister of Militia which he had attempted to justity shewed & degree of recklessness which should leai the country t%rm before it continued to place confidence in men who could so act. â€"~ Uon J. K. CaMBBUN lappealyd that the motion should be lidflre-n, as after the declaracion of the Government the object had been attajined. the gander (Lau‘hurb k Hon, Mr. MACKENXZLIE said, in the matter of the Senate, the illastrations were not drawn from local matters. than this the very estimates included the salary under the . head of * expenditure authorised by statute.‘" . The Minister of Militia stated that it had been covenanted with Judge Johnson thit he should not receive the salary of Lieut. tovernor â€"he did not, however, say whe her he might not get more, and gentle reverse the vote given on a previous eccasion and sustain the Act (bear, hear ) importance. ‘The hon. gentieman who moved the second roading of this Bill uad stated that the Insolrenty Law was passed w‘:y“hMWOti:hoM.aad mdnurlhha its effects. He (Mr. Savary 0 ntended that it fully protect. ed the creditors by enabling them fuirly to distribute among themselves the preperty of the debtor, when he became inso}vent, and he read several clauses of the Act in support of kis view. 1t had been contended thit the Law encouraged recklessvbess, hut he did not think so. The creditors had the power of putting an estate in insolvency if they thougnt that a m«n was conducting his business in a manner to lead to bankrup:cy , and could secure his property and distribute it rateably among «ll the creditors. How then did the Act encourage recklessness among debtors? Mny members had stated tn-tmln-olv,&-yuy should not on}y exist in times 0f commercial depressjon. and that in prospetous times like the E:ant.thonw-.owzylormoh. e :lfo was not of that ophiu-.‘l ‘In times of prosperity many were induced to embark in n&- Jmtnru whick snn in o Pn + , $ MMrlMsbwm rou-ryw dhoh;r ebtors from their obl:gations in simes of commercial prefiq-Jn‘lin that be had admit:ed th* znm;, thit we ought to have such a la hen the act was passed it was intended to be exveri« ment:l and was linited to 1 period which ended in 1873, and he woul 1 «k the hn orable gentlemen to ilet the exper ment work itself out in order tha, we might nave further snd better proof of the sus cessful Mfifidfln‘;t. Proor to the passing of Act there had been no satistactory law in the Lower Provinces and if the House insisted upon its repeai bhe would sypport the amenament of the member for st John and «ndesvor to have Nora Scoti~ also erempted frum the operation of the RBill now before the He corimdered that an opinion coming from such a body, representing every branch of commercial indusf#y, was enâ€" titled to every respect at the hanas of honorable members. He understood that similar expressions of opinion had emanâ€" ated from all the business centes in the country (cries of no, no) ; at all events, he believed petitions had been received from Montreal, Toronto, Hamilton, St. John, Halifax and other places, and he could safely say that there were amony thohndm"&.bmocmuu of the Doâ€" minion. Dominion Boird of Trade bhad also expressed a similar opinion, and Mr. JINES (Halifax) desired to say a | HMousefor not at once going into (:!m::. few words in .u.'?ort ot the opmiom of | tee was that â€" the Inwlvency Law the merchants of Halifix. He thoughi| bad worked tolerably well, anj they that in all business communities it was| OU&ght to give :t a fair ui necessary to havs a well regul:ited and He had received a res »l ation r soent] well detined law regarding debtor and ) PAssed by the Board of <raie of Toronts creditor. Previous to the Union Nova | * that this Board considers th :t the repeal Hootim labored under disadvan in not| " 0f the Insolvency i ws would be a grave having a good insolvency law. ugny had | injustice to honest but unfortunate trad, endearored on many occasions to f.ame | * ©r8, and that the amendments petitisned such a law as would be acceptable but| * for by this Boird will be sufficient 1 from ome cause or another they had not | protect the honest from béingtaken ai. been successful. He had known on many | * vantage of by dishonest traders" |indep an occasion, where a debtor hai been | the operation of the Insolventy Act, the compelied to meet his creditors and w«s | Ostate goes into the pockets of the #> entirely at their mercy that he had| creditors, insterd of into those of the been driven from the ecountry. . ~He h=d lawyers. These were men whose business. seen the want of a well adjusted measure | â€"before the passing of the Act â€"comsisted and thougbht that one should, in a new | chiefly in collectionâ€". e knew of one country like this, profit by the experience | man whose business had heen compietely of older countries like Great Britain and | ruined by the Ins>lvency Act, an d miay the United States. S>me amendments to | bad lost to a large extent from the sam our law might be necessary. He would| cause. The arguments had gone 1o sioe not say. that it was perfect, but he | that in some reâ€"pects the law liad worked held _ that â€" those gentlemen who! badiy, but they had not ‘stuted that the held views in favor of repealing it were | defect could not be remelied _ He bag bound to ‘['. better reasons than ‘b.y introduced a Bill which embadied a good had yet been able to do tor such repeal. | many Of the amendments suggested by The chief ments that he hid heara | the Board of Trade of Toronto. The repeal against it holl not been so much against | Of the Law woul i be equally prejudicial to the law itself as against its administration | debtor and creditor. No man would firm (bear, hear). Most of the gestiemen who | that a min who had heen untortunste, nad spoken had taken ground chiefly | forever, hiave a mill stone zound bus against the expense which attends the | Detk Unles= we give honest men a chance administration of the iaw, and the imparâ€" | t04ecuover them=eives they will be d: iven fect manner in which it was administered. | from our country.. If the law should ne He held. that if such was the orase, they | repealed, the reâ€"ult in Untariowoud be, should not take the grave step of repealâ€" | thit tho first exscution would sweep away ing theâ€" Act, but should offer«som« amend. | eÂ¥verything, aud the unscrupulous erediâ€" ment which would enable the law to be | tor would get all, wlule the others wou d carried out in the way most desirable. 11) .O nOthing ata«ll. (he liw of the £pe. had been said that in the Providce of | Yince Of . Quebec was . betrer in Quebec they would be in a better position | sOme respects than that of Onimrio, as than the other Pw'in(" it this law were the proce« ds of the s le were t 100 distp . repealed, and he would say that if such a | buted among »11 the execuims 1k law existed in the Lower Provinces uunt.l Bmds of Traue of Montre«l, Forom, now in forse in Quebec, there would per | H«lifax and St. Join hud petiv=aed haps not been the same objâ€"ctien to re. | @&*inst the repeal of the 1 w ad the pealing the Aoct. But it shoul1 be remem. | bon. member tor Ham:ilion, while v bered that it this law was repe«aled they | {r the repe«l of the l«w, had pm-: would simply hâ€"ve to revert to the ma» | & petition from the Bour: of Trade of chinery of ol.ien times â€" Then again there | Hamulwton. praying th â€"t the law might not would be no w'i'ion tor 'indln‘ up be NP.“M He h l‘*‘d thâ€"t the M’ estates at present in binkruptcy, and hon. | Sebt«iives of Quenbec would vote whh gentliemen should show how hey projosed | UBI=rIO 'r"-" the reperl 0| the l«#. to meet thet objeciion. It wus mucu| Mr. ULBY s 1i thit the non genile easier to pull down than to build up, «n ‘ man had appealed o the w@-huf until m’ "w some berter law it the rPINOMDUIZ\'l‘l of QU bee ne should rem in «s it was. ‘When giving the | O desira to <ppoâ€"e the intereâ€"ts of the vote he did on a previous nccasiv«= he : PeOPle Of Uniari~, but he found the each thought he was in accord with the o.un-’ succeâ€"sive vore on his Bill bui gr= udy merci«l community of Halifex, but the «my | iDCT 5"? the owo Ampn both Ur$a«m0 following he rec. ired a telegram troum the | and Quebec in its lavor Preâ€"ident of the Coamber of Commerce, | _ Mr WUORKMAN would not cetiin the which he Would sead : [ sHouge ‘but 1b 46n xecimbler o omatied " The Ch:mber of Commerce unanimâ€" ously desire our representiatives to use their exertions to prevent the repeal of the Insolrency Act." «* m:r. BAVARY had not had an Toce m‘m_ on the subject before and now o say a few words. His hon friend, the mover of the Bill had referred to the vote of last seysion as evidence of the feeling which prevailed against the Insolvency Act. He (Mr Navary) did not think it would bear that mbm . In the first instance â€"ever «l mem|! representing import :nt commer cial mnmu:h reversed their votes of last session, and in the second pll-co_tho.m was taken ata late stage of bers absent when the vote was taken. It coulid.not be denied th1t the Insolvency Law of 1869. was an import«ant measure, and he would impress upon the House the necessity of exe.cising the utmost care in dealing with the matter; they should not burriedly repeal a measurs of so much he ooauoaod:cth;mnefiofthgo bodies represented pu ion. He hopdtbpod“dthoofi’mmm ld the Session, when many members had left. Nor did he bdiovo’ that the :,ou taken the other evening was a fair indica. tion of the feeling of the House and the country, as there were, atleast,sixty memâ€" ferent Provinces were repreâ€"ested each particular Provinse point d u> the pec i lisr ressons why the Bill should _ be adopted. and it was atterw uds carmed by a large majority of the House â€" tie would call the attention to the dis.dranuige the separate Provinces would l1avour unuder if the Act should be repealed. Tais ma wer being one that was exclusively wiuhn the jurisdiction of the General Parli ment. the Local Legialature: could not legiâ€"lite upon it. in New Brunswick a peculiar disadvantage wouid result from the rep» .1 on the iaw _ Before Confeserauion ht Province had a law })rovidin‘ tor the dis~ charge trom arrest of a debtor, which was workine more or les« to the @=« isf:ctin~ â€"» the country. It had afterwa # een fo n unsatisfactory in some reepecis, ADU, iu: Legislature passed an Act to «mend it The Supreme Court however decided in cases carried before it on ippe 1. that th : Provincial Legisiatur: had no jarisdiction over the swbhject. I6£ theretore this law were repe«led the Provincisl Legisliture would hive no power to subsitute anyâ€" thing else for it, not even a law to provide for the discharge from arrest of an unforâ€" tunate debtor, who would be leit comâ€" pletely at the mercy of any relentless creditor who chose 16 pursue him 1t the supporters of this Bill pressed it upon the House he would offer an amendment exempting the Province of New Brunsâ€" wick from its operation Mr WORKMAN wcould not cetain the House but the bon member 0: stanstead bad refered to memvers who had had exâ€" perience in the working of the Act. He (Mr. W,) claimed that he had bad more experience than any other merch«pt in the House, and from that ex perience~and he could also speak for the merch «ts of lnmruwoer-lly â€"he considered that the Act worked admirably, expecially since the amendments of 1869 He regretted that in câ€"nvesuation with memâ€" be‘s of the House s »ce the last vorte wat taken, he found thut they bad given their vote withou: really knowing the working of the Act. He expected a petition by the next mail from {‘he merchants of Moe treal ag«inst the repeal of the law ‘There h«d been a charge made sagainst the merchants of Montreail, that they were sending their goods to the right and _ left, und that at twentyâ€"4ve per cont. in ths dollar The charge wa o0 absurd to reseive credit, as if such were the case, they would be making & ?montwthdrcum‘bm in omu : 5 cent. upon gaods nhl'::'d to them. As the authenticity the petition of the Board of Trade been dourted by‘ the hon. member Stanstead he wouli state thut that petiâ€" tion had since received the unianimols 4 sent of the Board. e Vote was th-:uk- on 3“': ameniment, resuluing in yo «s 069, onys \!â€" Mr. HARRLSUN -owd’.n..“ that it be an instruction to the vomit tee to except the Province of Unis®# from the operation of the Bill. h Hon. Mr. BLAKE thought the motist out of order . 3 AvEVCUUC, Hon. Â¥r. MACK ENZ!E stated that th* Minister of Finince had distinctly 01 that he wouldi not raise the point cder y o y ~ each size endesvoring to dewin Othef® from cr.esing the Hsor. C h.‘l‘ho(.hnir-u pronounced the motio® t ‘‘The Committee adppted the Bill with out amendment and ruse. Third 'q of Bill ordered for to morrow. f BUPERANNUATION.â€" . / The adjourned debate on Mr. JOLY® W e 2 a That the House do resoive itself 1810 # Comuittee of the Whole torthwith 1 consider a resolution ‘respecting en Superannuation Fund. ‘ ~ )n the motion th:t the Spesker should leare the ch«ir. 1 Hon. Mr, MURKIS said the Minister of Finar ce h«d already called the «ttent08 of the House to the f.cs that the mui08 wyas not in order, mw-upq-" to ueal with a part of the Consuliasted Hon. Mr MURKISs id the Minis¥‘ "* Finance hai sud he h>ped the mo408 woullnoth.opr.:ud,nucvml.llv”“n Mr. COLBY said th:t when he made the statement he did so subjec.;ts c»v:: He had to day heard of the petition the hon member for Mâ€"ntre«â€"l Centre e%4â€" pecied by next maii, to the effect that it mb«:fukumund for signature by an official assignos. * Hon. Mr ANGIAX mow 1 ment, That the Spesker (lo&:‘g‘;fi the chur, but that the House l"‘ Commuttee npor toe said Bij d: Tatp three months. He sa.d «h .t the day enve of the commerci« communiy ‘,?"' Low r Provinces h«d b»â€"en that "‘. the worked sitisf@ccorily, and they daw opp ied to its repeal. °ol Mr. SAVARY said that t be Tor North O<ford :::,‘b” mem that the lawyers were mtewm re eal of the lis but th :t in the w is answered by th fiet that th::o"?‘ as m ny . lawyes i~ fxvor of the ‘c’.. there were agsinst it. .1; seemad to h: that the propasea legiâ€"lation Was‘ to h«isty, they bad only hi4 the lunh., Law on the Statuie Bovk sin‘e 1869 anq it did nofome into op»rition unni s tember of that year Iif i; Was (b:?l; necessary to give timely notice of it taking effect, surely it would only be fuyâ€" to give sinular Warning 10 its N’: Many morchants had given credit on the faith of provisions 0t the Liw, and they should be protect=d. He mm the House snou 4 wait for petitions Against the lA;; betore repâ€"aling it Mr. R. A. HARRISUN said the be proposed @to advance “'““ House for not at once going into Commiy. tee was that the Insolvency lay had worked tolerably well, ani they ought ~to ‘give :%l a fai trisl He had received a resolation r soently passed by the Board of ~raie of Toronto, *« that this Board considers that .h'w "* of the Insolvency i~ws wouli be a grave " injustice to honest but unfortunate trad, «* ers, and that the amendments itiâ€"ned * for by this Board will be l&‘ to « protect the honest from béing taken ai. * vantage of by dishonest trader;" Under the operation of the Insolventy Act, the estate goes into the pockets of the creditors, instead of into those of th . lawyers. There were men whose busines. â€"before the passing of the Act â€"comsisted chiefly in collectionâ€". e knew of one man whose business had heen compietely â€" ruined by the Ins>ivency Act, a d miay had lost to a large extent from the same cause. â€" The arguments had gone uo show that in some reâ€"pects the law l12d worked badly, but they had not ‘stated that the defect could not be remeiied _ He ind introduced a Bill which emvbadied a many of the amendments '“Rl.“rh the Board of Trade of Toronto. The repeal of the Law woul i be equally prejudicial to debtor and creditor. No man would «firm that a min who had hbeen untortunste, for ever, haive a mill stone mound s neck Unles= we give honest men a chance to secover themmâ€"eives they will be d iven from our country.. If the law should ne repealed, the result in Untariowoud be, that the first exscution would sweep away everything, aud the unscrupulous erediâ€" tor would get all, wlule the others wou d . et nothing atall. ihe law of the tra. vince of Quebec was . bewer is some respects than that of Onario, a the proce ds of the s le were tamse di=r. buted among »11 the execuims 1k+ Bmiads of Trace of Montre«l, l'q: hH«lifix and St. sJobn hud petiâ€" agriinst the repeal of the 1 w ad the hon. member tor Hamilion, while fir the repeâ€"l of the i«#=, had ph: a petition from the Bo«r: o! Tmd* of Hamilton. praying th t the law migbt not be repealed _ He hoped th=t the repte sentauiives of Quenec would vote whh Upturio «gain«t the repeâ€"l o| the l«#. _ The SPEAKEK ruled that the Comuitâ€" tee had already power to excepi s8J m&momeomhmM the instrus was therelore Anuecessiry. ‘The House then wens ino Comuile# Mr. MILLS in the Chaig, Mr. JUNES moged that toe Committe® should rise and the cusismun order th# Committee to divide _ An «nimated s04 KHevenue reike the point of orcer. s A discuâ€"sion arose on the point of the commenr s id the Minister of rlge ho 4 ht the .l)mmm" ? ;" ‘.n‘l "b.,' ow . anco _ to ‘ A it yee nsoivency lay well, and they 07. and il Sep.. thougat O it pumlicl to that of GCustom h“iâ€";:hm Wey 2o ol i0 her ment. o tnndutael sie _ o4 C es 4. T MJ a, Hikiter stating this 4e 'â€"‘l .’â€" . QKN £4h00, ", 14, and t ",.4'-:&!“ migbt 0b B Bouseby «10r *E * w en â€" 8P * _> ¢ U erder u04 *T s 5t Phai he me ma ’. Â¥ eald b"“d‘ * "ne metter, o K * _1 to the m«tte". y 4 w~ merely 4 esn k h '. _ would ! 4* RacKE 2A * \ +. ~olenmi ‘. return iL to : «ubsribed it. He believe« tnt the government sh> wghtaide, but referring spwmoned by the member trad muntaned that it apypt B C o onigiKt 3 tin did not this® 3 ies whit reoucns w h1 _ wo « -â€"-,-9‘:1‘.'.'.... wou =.,, DORION sard ininatioe that the preseunt fs bad boped ‘the motion M U oo minance inister of Mn & *h" . ‘would Jt ibat be se the matt i8 the Serv ce h +20. : Aftar no he Was 4 t for the fund for + membecs 0| the Cld | spe ial HI® until th and &D y of | *

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